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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

myosotis said:
It's the appeal. Their cases (R and S) were thrown out but they are appealing the decision. It's why the film (LN) was added into Sundance this January.
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Like I said we should make a worlwide demonstration for Michael on verdict day June 13 were we exposed the liars on placats and in the end of them by showing a film.
 
Zireaelle said:
I saw in a famous french newspaper that there's going to be a new trial this summer... Why is it mentioned nowhere?
I don't understand. Here is the translation.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/2019...ur-pedophilie-prevu-cet-ete-a-los-angeles.php

EXCLUSIVE - Ten years after his disappearance in late June, Michael Jackson will be cited again in court. "The judgment is expected by the end of the summer, at the latest this autumn," says lawyer Vince Finaldi.

Questioned by Le Figaro, Californian lawyer Vince Finaldi reveals that a new trial where Michael Jackson will be accused of pedophilia will plead in Los Angeles early this summer. "The judgment is expected by the end of the summer, at the latest this autumn," he says.

Based in the south of Los Angeles, Vince Finaldi is the lawyer for Wade Robson 36 and James Safechuck 41. These two boys, the French viewers will discover them this Thursday, March 20 at 9 pm on M6 where will be broadcasted the documentary

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Like we said, all about $$$$. If anyone can not see through this, they are stupid.
 
myosotis said:
It's the appeal. Their cases (R and S) were thrown out but they are appealing the decision. It's why the film (LN) was added into Sundance this January. R and S WANTED a trial (against the MJJ companies and personnel ) but the judge did not agree that the companies could 'over-rule' MJ, and so their claims were thrown out.

The appeal date is sooner than I thought. Looks like it may clash with MJ's 'memorial' day and / or birthday this year. :(
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This can be a blessing. Expose these liars. Even look how this article is talking even advertising to the French. Come on. This will be seen right through.
 
myosotis said:
It's the appeal. Their cases (R and S) were thrown out but they are appealing the decision. It's why the film (LN) was added into Sundance this January. R and S WANTED a trial (against the MJJ companies and personnel ) but the judge did not agree that the companies could 'over-rule' MJ, and so their claims were thrown out.

The appeal date is sooner than I thought. Looks like it may clash with MJ's 'memorial' day and / or birthday this year. :(
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Oh okay, the article is misleading... The journalists have probably no idea what they're talking about anyway lol
 
KrisMJFan;4250712 said:
yeah word I hear ya though I never been a fan of his work it’s saddening with these unfortunate days of so called Hollywood think its a lot beyond areas as i’m thinking to myself hope I don’t have to boycott Hallloween cause of Jamie Lee Curtis’s tweet just isn’t sensible and that’s my all time favorite movie
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Jamie lee needs to shut up and do not even know the issues. She has proven in the past to jump on something and do not know the issue. It as a billboard saying would you let your baby do this. It was about a car or something but she took it like they were actually talking about a kid. The audience even the host looked at like she was crazy.
 
We can't expect celebs to be 'smarter' than the general public just because they are famous.. they are people that don't bother to do the research.. That said, it is VERY irresponsible to publicly defend 2 accusers without proof against a man that has been found Not guilty in the court of law and is no longer here. They have a platform that influences millions!

I can't express enough how stupid it is...
 
I read Jordan Peele's last part again and at second glance I'm honestly not entirely sure if he's fully condemning MJ here and choosing the side of the accusers. He says "The irony and relevance is not lost on me now that the discussion has evolved to one of true horror," Peele added."

Sure the allegations and the lies being talked about are true horror. I can't really conclude if he's jumping to the conclusion here. It's certainly not Pro MJ but is it pro LN?
 
Thriller_MJ said:
A couple of people have said Dan Reed is pro NAMBLA, is there any actual evidence of this? Just because he MAY have used Guiterrez's Pro Peadophila book word for word, doesn't nessiscairly mean he himself is a peado.
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His own words. How he describes the so called abuse as sex, a loving caring fulfilling sexual relationship where a 7 year child had a consensual relationship with an adult. It is beyond crazy that he's not being questioned on the words and expressions he has been using. Couching Wade to call MJ his lover in the documentary. Saying as recently as two days ago that Wade and Safechuck are not traumatised by the abuse itself because it was an enjoyable experience to them but by the way their families were affected when they knew. That it is traumatising to them that they find their experience enjoyable while everyone else is telling them it is abuse and they were taken advantage of. The trauma comes from how the society view paedophilia not from the sexual acts themselves. That's what NAMBLA members have been saying for decades.
 
KOPV said:
We can't expect celebs to be 'smarter' than the general public just because they are famous.. they are people that don't bother to do the research.. That said, it is VERY irresponsible to publicly defend 2 accusers without proof against a man that has been found Not guilty in the court of law and is no longer here. They have a platform that influences millions!

I can't express enough how stupid it is...
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And sometimes they do it to keep the media from focusing on what they are doing. Keep it on MJ.
 
Soundmind said:
His own words. How he describes the so called abuse as sex, a loving caring fulfilling sexual relationship where a 7 year child had a consensual relationship with an adult. It is beyond crazy that he's not being questioned on the words and expressions he has been using. Couching Wade to call MJ his lover in the documentary. Saying as recently as two days ago that Wade and Safechuck are not traumatised by the abuse itself because it was an enjoyable experience to them but by the way their families were affected when they knew. That it is traumatising to them that they find their experience enjoyable while everyone else is telling them it is abuse and they were taken advantage of. The trauma comes from how the society view paedophilia not from the sexual acts themselves. That's what NAMBLA members have been saying for decades.
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Even this still does not fly. To be defending a man for over 25 years even in court and be asked about being "touched" and denied it in public and in private and been asked since they were teens, 20's, early 30's wont fly with someone with logic and then suing for $$$$.
 
At this point, I no longer care what other celebrities think. Like the government, Hollywood is full of them, too. They should be quiet since their dirty laundry is about to be exposed, and plus their past is about to haunt them.

Don't even give them any attention because they're self-centered. Most of them anyways.
 
KOPV said:
We can't expect celebs to be 'smarter' than the general public just because they are famous.. they are people that don't bother to do the research.. That said, it is VERY irresponsible to publicly defend 2 accusers without proof against a man that has been found Not guilty in the court of law and is no longer here. They have a platform that influences millions!

I can't express enough how stupid it is...
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I don't get it either.

Just the fact this doc is defaming a dead icon, should already be something that they see as foul and unfair. And to trash MJ and his legacy for these 2 unchallenged guys, is just insane.
 
Soundmind said:
His own words. How he describes the so called abuse as sex, a loving caring fulfilling sexual relationship where a 7 year child had a consensual relationship with an adult. It is beyond crazy that he's not being questioned on the words and expressions he has been using. Couching Wade to call MJ his lover in the documentary. Saying as recently as two days ago that Wade and Safechuck are not traumatised by the abuse itself because it was an enjoyable experience to them but by the way their families were affected when they knew. That it is traumatising to them that they find their experience enjoyable while everyone else is telling them it is abuse and they were taken advantage of. The trauma comes from how the society view paedophilia not from the sexual acts themselves. That's what NAMBLA members have been saying for decades.
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And what we found out today from a 2010 interview where he says about his documentaries that they basically turn him on.....PAUSE!

We need someone like Piers Morgan questioning him on that.
 
If anyone doubts that the law firm representing Robson and Safechuck is connected with 'LN', you can see on the law firm online page that they have the official trailer for LN posted there, plus a lot of news links about the film. Above that is an advertising paragraph that includes the words 'you will be believed'.:

Manly Stewart & Finaldi Are the Attorneys for the Finding Neverland Survivors. We Can Help You Seek the Justice & Compensation You Deserve
If you were sexual abused as a child by a celebrity, a priest, a schoolteacher, or another person in a position of authority, Manly Stewart & Finaldi would like to help you hold your abuser accountable. We represent the sexual abuse survivors in the HBO documentary Leaving Neverland and have represented thousands of people abused by children in churches, the entertainment industry, schools, sports and youth organizations.
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https://www.californiasexualabusefirm.com/finding-neverland-survivors/

Do they really mean 'represent people....abused by children' LOL. I thought that was MJ's law firm!

It's interesting that they don't mention children suffering abuse from family members. Looks like they are only interested in potential big money cases.

They also don't seem to mention that the R and S cases were thrown out and they have had to go to appeal. Wonder if they will change anything when they lose the appeals....
 
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Carmour260 said:
At this point, I no longer care what other celebrities think. Like the government, Hollywood is full of them, too. They should be quiet since their dirty laundry is about to be exposed, and plus their past is about to haunt them.

Don't even give them any attention because they're self-centered. Most of them anyways.
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That's what I don't understand. How can you be a celebrity and condone that mockumentary ? It's a prototype weapon that might hurt you and your family. Lie all you want as long as you use the word "documentary". Hold on, I might be wrong. It's on tv, so it cannot be a lie, right ?

 
WildStyle said:
I too have not seen this quote as coming from Safechuck. People have just ran with it. Even Taj has been using it.
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I have seen this said since the first showing.
Is it possible that it was in the unedited version or that Safechuck said it on the Oprah show?
 
myosotis said:
If anyone doubts that the law firm representing Robson and Safechuck is connected with 'LN', you can see on the law firm online page that they have the official trailer for LN posted there, plus a lot of news links about the film. Above that is an advertising paragraph that includes the words 'you will be believed'.:

https://www.californiasexualabusefirm.com/finding-neverland-survivors/

Do they really mean 'represent people....abused by children' LOL I thought that was MJ's law firm!

It's interesting that they don't mention children suffering abuse from family members. Looks like they are only interested in potential big money cases.
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Ambulance chasers. Imagine these incompetent clowns cited a law enacted after the so called abuse to hold the MJJ companies responsible for the so called abuse. Should I mention that in their court documents they referred to Wade as 'she' in multiple places because they had basically copy-pasted from another case their motion without proofreading. "You will be believed" Exactly it does not matter if you are indeed a victim you will be believed because people are that dumb and we will smear the accused until we get paid.
 
myosotis said:
If anyone doubts that the law firm representing Robson and Safechuck is connected with 'LN', you can see on the law firm online page that they have the official trailer for LN posted there, plus a lot of news links about the film. Above that is an advertising paragraph that includes the words 'you will be believed'.:



https://www.californiasexualabusefirm.com/finding-neverland-survivors/
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Perl. Junior discovered when I remember it right that this lawfirm is also responsible for Leaving Neverland.
She said that it is normal that in such kind of Documentary a lawfirm is involved.
They must appear in the credits of LN.
Maybe someone want to look it up to be sure about that.

Word Smith Sr said:
That's what I don't understand. How can you be a celebrity and condone that mockumentary ? It's a prototype weapon that might hurt you and your family. Lie all you want as long as you use the word "documentary". Hold on, I might be wrong. It's on tv, so it cannot be a lie, right ?
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Wade and James called LN themself repeatetly a movie in the oprah interview not a documentary.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Evan Ross Supports Michael Jackson Despite Accusations: Don’t Believe Things Just Because They’re On TV <a href="https://t.co/4Jpx53mPov">https://t.co/4Jpx53mPov</a> <a href="https://t.co/brOKkLjZPw">pic.twitter.com/brOKkLjZPw</a></p>&mdash; theJasmineBRAND.com (@thejasminebrand) <a href="https://twitter.com/thejasminebrand/status/1108383496253259776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I had very little interest in MJ until LN came out. My son is 9 &amp; an aspiring singer &amp; dancer. He loves MJ's music. In fact, he's the one who got me into it! I had been conflicted over what to say to him and decided that I must look into the allegations. Now I am an MJ advocate.</p>&mdash; David Appleby (@ybelppa) <a href="https://twitter.com/ybelppa/status/1108002714200559616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Evan Ross amazing defending Michael <a href="https://twitter.com/FallAgainMJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FallAgainMJ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/NightingaleLuna?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NightingaleLuna</a> <a href="https://t.co/vYNcZD3xWg">pic.twitter.com/vYNcZD3xWg</a></p>&mdash; nik tooke (@NikTooke) <a href="https://twitter.com/NikTooke/status/1108060212408320000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">they didn’t get the crazy reaction they wanted from the doc, and a chill, mellow reaction doesn’t sell stories so why not lie and create a story that does sell ? pathetic</p>&mdash; Paris-Michael K. J. (@ParisJackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/ParisJackson/status/1108240042365845504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Local paper. Street talk on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> . Out of 15 people, only 2 were negative. &#128133;&#129335;*&#9794;&#65039;&#9994;&#128305; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverlandLies?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverlandLies</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/G2RxXUC2v7">pic.twitter.com/G2RxXUC2v7</a></p>&mdash; V (@BADnessee) <a href="https://twitter.com/BADnessee/status/1108166993792794624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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Remember I talked about the forum called ResetEra and how i was temporarily banned? Because I stood up for MJ and posted facts. The reason of the ban was inflammatory dismissal of sexual abuse allegations. I was supposed to be unbanned today. They made it a permanent ban.

Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe it. I've always been a decent poster. Always interesting discussions about gaming, video and audio and now this. Freedom of speech eh?
 
marc_vivien;4250637 said:
#LeavingNeverland[FONT="] flopped in Italy too: 439.000 viewers (2%. italians are 60,59 millions). the rerun of a TV show collected 1.274.000 viewers (5.8%), a serious documentary series got 4.186.000 viewers (ratings 19.4%). A soap opera got 1.803.000 viewers (7.2%). [/FONT]
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I was 100% sure, I carefully monitored the press and people’s interest and nobody seems to care, most of the comments are against R.S.R. Just give time and these 3 are going down. In Italy there are laws against slander even for death people, defamation is a criminal offense and by the press or by media is even more serious, so this level of hate and lies is beyond our (or at least mine) comprehension.
 
KOPV said:
This is one thing Trump has my support on.. Do we know if this is something that plans to go to public vote or he's doing it within?
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He's been attacking McCain while he's dead and now he has this petition up for Anti-Defamation law. As much I can't stand that pompous defaming jack@$$ and for ruining the country. I'll sign for Michael's sake.
 
KOPV;4250736 said:
We can't expect celebs to be 'smarter' than the general public just because they are famous.. they are people that don't bother to do the research.. That said, it is VERY irresponsible to publicly defend 2 accusers without proof against a man that has been found Not guilty in the court of law and is no longer here. They have a platform that influences millions!

I can't express enough how stupid it is...
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They are fake.
The only reason why any of them have spoken up is because of the whole “woke era” and #metoo movement.
Speaking against “victims” just by looking into facts and seeing that something does not match is bad and is seen as victim blaming.
I will bet everything that most know that these two are lying and don’t give that much of damn about them.
This is about supporting the “victims” by putting on the best performance to see who can be the most woke and going against Michael.
Defending Michael in their eyes benefits no one yet attacking him does benefit them.

I noticed how fake they were the moment everyone decided to play dumb and turn on Harvey Weinstein.
Everyone who read up on celebrities knew about Harvey’s girls and the actresses who dealt with him and even Seth McFarland mentioned it at an award show but they turned a blind eye because Harvey was lining their pockets and helping them win awards.
That’s why I’m not surprised by any of this because I caught how they were operating a long time ago.
It’s actually not as bad as I thought it would be honestly. I feel like more people are pushing back for him to the point where publications realize they can’t even mention #cancelMJ or #muteMJ anymore.
 
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