Can't they just stop it for a while

so how do we know randy was stealing money??? the title you posted said "In February 2007, MJ filed a lawsuit against lawyers and accountants hired by Randy. Among the accusations were 2.5 millions ANNUALLY stolen from his accounts." it doesnt say randy stole the money. so how on one hand would randy hire accountants, but then be responsible to pay the bills?? i thought that was the accountants job. also mj had some finance issues before randy came along. it didnt happen just because of randy but im sure that mess didnt help. i think that mj had some bad accountants and lawyers before then that wasnt handling business like they were suppose to do.
now if mj did say under oath that randy was plotting to take his assets, then thats messed up.. was he gonna do with them anyway??? its not like he was gonna keep it for himself. so somebody probably was trying to buy it from mj and randy was in on it. thats just not right though.. do you have a link or something to that disposition...

now the incident youre talking about(between the brothers) happened during the trail. i thought the incident tito was talking about happened a few years before then. i do know of the story about the brothers fighting and mj not wanting them to come back to his house.

Read the court transcripts from the deposition. MJ clearly blamed Randy and there's no way around that. He clearly pointed the finger at his brother and, with the full words, accused him of conspiring and stealing from him. Of course, you will always say it's all an invention and a conspiracy by the meanie fans to slander the poor Jacksons, but it's the truth.
 
i thought the incident tito was talking about happened a few years before then.

And what makes you think that? How do you know this?

Tito never gave a timeline for the incident, he just said it happened in Neverland so what makes you think it happened a few years before?
 
well, you know what Roger said [...]

We did not believe Roger back then.[...]

Roger reported a similar story back then, [...] Roger would have liked to blame it on MJ's so called addiction like he did later when Randy became his source [...]


Calling perpetrators by their first name sounds so 'endearing', Roger said this, Roger said that, 'poor' Roger, he gave in to the meannies of the Jackson family, they made him write the things he did.... *end of sarcasm*


So, it was Randy Jackson feeding starving Friedman 'news'. Among other sources, surely, he wasn't the only 'source' that did it. My question was who Else from the Jacksons sold stories to Friedman? Was it anyone else we know for sure, leaving the Jacksons' inside feud issue aside? That's a concrete question.

And this still doesn't justify the use of tabloid media in discussions, the worth of giving to some credits, when they can't wait for it with their every article they make, this doesn't even have to do with Michael Jackson's justified distaste of it, tabloid is filth no matter who their targets are and who their sources are, and TMZ, for instance, is still being allowed here on the forum, even after the proof they're cosy with criminals like Murray, Michael Jackson's killer...
 
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Calling perpetrators by their first name sounds so 'endearing', Roger said this, Roger said that, 'poor' Roger, he gave in to the meannies of the Jackson family, they made him write the things he did.... *end of sarcasm*


So, it was Randy Jackson feeding starving Friedman 'news'. Among other sources, surely, he wasn't the only 'source' that did it. My question was who Else from the Jacksons sold stories to Friedman? Was it anyone else we know for sure, leaving the Jacksons' inside feud issue aside? That's a concrete question.

And this still doesn't justify the use of tabloid media in discussions, the worth of giving to some credits, when they can't wait for it with their every article they make, this doesn't even have to do with Michael Jackson's justified distaste of it, tabloid is filth no matter who their targets are and who their sources are, and TMZ, for instance, is still being allowed here on the forum, even after the proof they're cosy with criminals like Murray, Michael Jackson's killer...

Finally Alma , you understood why we are mad at the Jacksons and Co....they love these tabloids and feed them....they go to Freidman , Radar ,TMZ, X 17 , Oprah !!!

did you get it why we are against the ones who call themselves friends, family and lovers !!!
they go with this felth,,, they love it and add more felth to hurt MJ when alive or dead !


if you did not get it after all this then you must be in denail (thier favourite word) !
 
I have a question , why Diana Ross, Quincy Jones , Liz Taylor and Liza Minnelli never liked the Jackons , they all expressed their disrespect for them ! these names are among the dearest friends of MJ,,,,and Quincy at a certain point was so close to MJ !


PS. I'm not saying the Jacksons are devils,,,,or they are horrible people (God forbids)....they always tried their best to support MJ in the media as much as they could during the trials BUT they are annoying and they caused him alot of troubles although they were supposed to protect his back from all the enemies around him ,,,even until the last days of his life they were trying to take control of his business instead of having their own!
 
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I have a question , why Diana Ross, Quincy Jones , Liz Taylor and Liza Minnelli never liked the Jackons , they all expressed their disrespect for them ! these names are among the dearest friends of MJ,,,,and Quincy at a certain point was so close to MJ !


PS. I'm not saying the Jacksons are devils,,,,or they are horrible people (God forbids)....they always tried their best to support MJ in the media as much as they could during the trials BUT they are annoying and they caused him alot of troubles although they were supposed to protect his back from all the enemies around him ,,,even until the last days of his life they were trying to take control of his business instead of having their own!

If the Jacksons aren't devils or horrible people who is a devil or a horrible person?
 
Some members of the Jackson family are greedy. I think mony changed them after the family became successful. I am suprosed at how some members of the family have carried on since Michaels death. It had opened my eyes a lot to them.
 
Read the court transcripts from the deposition. MJ clearly blamed Randy and there's no way around that. He clearly pointed the finger at his brother and, with the full words, accused him of conspiring and stealing from him. Of course, you will always say it's all an invention and a conspiracy by the meanie fans to slander the poor Jacksons, but it's the truth.

im not saying its always a conspiracy but alot of the things i look at that is so-called "evidence" nbever proves anything. n if its true what randy is accused of, the he is wrong and there is no way around that.
 
Finally Alma , you understood why we are mad at the Jacksons and Co....they love these tabloids and feed them....they go to Freidman , Radar ,TMZ, X 17 , Oprah !!!

Uh... what? 'Finally'? You've no idea what you're talking about, I'm well... well aware of some of the Jackson members talking to some tabloids, been well aware of all the wrongs some of them did and continue to do. Just cuz I don't bash and hate them like some love to do doesn't mean I'm disconnected from reality. I was asking who, outside Randy, was selling stories to Friedman, and I'm still waiting for a concrete answer to this concrete question.

did you get it why we are against the ones who call themselves friends, family and lovers !!!
they go with this felth,,, they love it and add more felth to hurt MJ when alive or dead !

This thread ain't about me and my knowledge of the Jacksons, Ohood, so tone down your attitude. I, as well as others believing the same, are not the enemies here. Some aren't dumb and ignorant like you think. The fact that some of you here still go on mentioning tabloid filth, and posting TMZ articles Not in the tabloid section doesn't make it better either. Esp when they best friends with Murray the arrogant killer himself. "Can't they just stop it for a while?" Stopping with giving them your time and ratings = their daily food they crave for would be a start.


if you did not get it after all this then you must be in denail (thier favourite word) !

Who's in denial, really, are those trying their best to make other Jackson-hating 'buddies', and failing. Some got So outraged for I - for instance - was dissing on nanny Grace in a post and thread that got thankfully closed, because, in their minds, I was spewing 'venom' towards the 'poor' nanny, but when the real venom is getting spewed and ongoing like on this subforum, rarely is there a more rational reaction. Nobody is saying to agree with the family's actions, who so often have been peculiar, oftentimes damaging to Michael for real.

But:

Out of respect for a deceased Jackson member like he is now, won't go around wasting time in inciting to more unnecessary anger when it comes to this family, who's very compromised anyway. For that reason alone. His family - as flawed and greedy and 'devilish' as they may be. Yeah, even hopeless Joe, as he's hopeless, no point is talking about him anymore, he ain't gonna change. And, as has been said more than once, Michael's children certainly don't benefit from being surrounded by such negative vibes directed at their grandmother, for instance, who, no matter how strong, she is an old lady, and the children would be officially orphan or more orphan they already are without her or when she's gone. Some do defend them a lot and that's not a great thing either, but some even say things like 'Arrest Joe and Katherine Jackson' in a thread. Or even all the Jacksons. .... Why, so those 3 grieving children can end up in Even More dangerous greasy hands of the strangers longing to be their friends and stabbing them in the back like some are on forums, really, their so-called friends, people of this kind that actually ended up killing their father and slowly killing him all his life?

Portraying the Jacksons as devils. Assuming Joe is one, or others too for that matter. Is there One who some here actually think is human? Won't give ideas myself, as I'm a "Jackson worshiper", so am bound to be biased, but this is an honest question. Is there a human in that family outside Michael's children who actually, say, misses Michael for real, yeah, even those that went to the tabloids? Won't hope for an objective answer, but I'll give this a try........... Oh, and the concrete answer to "What other member, outside Randy Jackson, was selling stories to Roger Friedman?" is still pending, preferably not one of the "Roger thinks/said" kind.
 
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And what makes you think that? How do you know this?

Tito never gave a timeline for the incident, he just said it happened in Neverland so what makes you think it happened a few years before?

i think in an interview, one of them said the intervention was in the late 90's/00's. n just as you came at me... how do you know what you know??? none of us have actual evidence just speculation, so calm down....
 
who else remember Roger Friedman's story about Tito and Jackie nonstop fighting at Neverland before the trial ? I do remember that clearly, he said it was almost physical. Roger claimed MJ was so fed up with them and instructed his bodyguards not to allow them on his property again, but then they appeared during the trial with him and we thought Roger was lying. I remember Roger claiming his sources were saying the siblings were fighting over who should control MJ's business affairs and Randy eventually conquered.

^^^Isn't it possible that Roger made a mistake & it was Randy & Jermaine that was going through power struggle? Weren't these 2 the ones who were trying to be the 2nd in command during the trial?


No Alma with Roger it is differnet he confessed after MJ's death in his site and to everyone that the Jacksons were his source and after MJ's death he announced that he regrets believing them and he realized that all they were trying to feed him with was to hurt MJ and not to help him....Ofcourse this apology will never be accepted becuase if he really cared he would never wrote these horrible things true or false,,,,i do not say that Roger is an innocent man , for me he is an opportunistic but he admitted that the Jacksons are his source and after MJ's death he admitted his mistake ,,,,,and they could not deny this !


^^^Ummmm....do you have a link for this?

Tito said security guys prevented them from entering Neverland, Roger reported a similar story back then, but the reason MJ instructed the bodyguards not to allow them there was so much different from what Tito claimed. Tito was fighting with Jackie over MJ's business affairs and MJ was so fed up with them all. Roger would have liked to blame it on MJ's so called addiction like he did later when Randy became his source and he took his side when MJ accused him under oath of plotting to take his assets from him during the trial,

the motive was not "drugs" when it came to that incident Tito mentioned, it was pure power struggle between the siblings.

which one of the siblings said after his death, the family believed MJ was going to jail back then? If they believed that, then "being in control" was an issue to them all.

I think this may have been Randy though, when the 3 bodyguards were interviewed they said it was Randy that barged through the gate & threatened that if he wasn't let through he would talk to the press.

Do you have the link for the Tito statement? & uh where'd you hear about the family believing MJ would go to jail? Do you mean that Stacy Brown article with Jermaine? When he said MJ wouldn't last in jail & he would take MJ's place?
 
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If the Jacksons aren't devils or horrible people who is a devil or a horrible person?

um lets see...murderers,child molestors,rapists,terrorists...those are people i consider horrible/devils/evil/twisted/sick

the jacksons are not perfect,heck i only really liked michael anyway but to call them devils is a bit far fetched...would michael leave his kids to his mother if she was a 'devil'?

he knew his mother(and the rest of his family)better than any fan ever could


they are a very dysfunctional family but to call them devils is a bit extreme
 
^^^Isn't it possible that Roger made a mistake & it was Randy & Jermaine that was going through power struggle? Weren't these 2 the ones who were trying to be the 2nd in command during the trial?





^^^Ummmm....do you have a link for this?



I think this may have been Randy though, when the 3 bodyguards were interviewed they said it was Randy that barged through the gate & threatened that if he wasn't let through he would talk to the press.

Do you have the link for the Tito statement? & uh where'd you hear about the family believing MJ would go to jail? Do you mean that Stacy Brown article with Jermaine? When he said MJ wouldn't last in jail & he would take MJ's place?
google is ur friend.
 
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