Can You Forgive Chris Brown?

[strawberrypie999]

He didn't hit me so I am not personally affected.

Do I like his music any less? No.
Did I think it was silly that all the radio stations quit playing his music after this incident? Yes.
Do I wish he never hit her? Yes.

The Chris that we all know is Singer/Dancer Chris Brown...we do not know Rihanna's Chris Brown...so we have no room to judge or talk abouth im really.

They both know what happened, why it happened, how it went down, etc. etc. It is their business and it is up to her to forgive and forget.

It is up to us to decide whether we want to open or shut our ears to his music again...
Which in case, I am choosing to open mine. =]

 

[MJJISTHEMAN]

He absolutely deserves to be forgiven. People forget he's a kid, 20 years old, had no previous record of doing harm to anyone ever. this is what makes it a mistake. A huge error in judgement that he has/is paying the price for. Rihanna has clearly forgiven him. Btw it wasnt two days after the incident he was at the beach, it was over three weeks and the only reason he was so happy was because Rihanna had forgiven him and was with him.

People need to stop hating on him, see what hating did to Michael? He needs to be loved and supported through this horrible time in his life, its obvious he is greatly sorry. He didnt have to do release an apology video to us but he did, it shows maturity beyond his years. Instead of judging him and lashing out at him, support him and pray that he will get past his childhood demons. None of us have any idea what he has/is going through, we have no room to judge him. Weve all sinned in our lives nothing gives us the right to judge him. Sorry this is so long it just pisses me off to no end how cruel some people can be to such a young kid. Way worse has been done. Chris much love and respect to you, and i know you will overcome this. he's the best performer/dancer out there now that MJ has passed. In fact his love for his fans often reminds me of MJ sometimes. Anyone whose a real fan or has followed him knows who he truly is, and that is a kind, talented, loving person. Keep on keepin on Chris

I totally disagree with this. Age has NOTHING to do with the issue. If you are capable of hitting a woman it can happen at anytime. He has done this once, it may well happen again!

Men who beat women to a pulp have a serious problem and should seek professional help. This is where domestic violence begins and although it probably wont be with Rihanna again, what happens if Chris a few years down the line doesn't "deal with the situation very well" and the same thing happens again, but this time his unfortunate victim dies from her injuries??

As I said in my first post, any "man" who hits a woman is a slimy coward. In my personal opinion I think he should never be allowed to release another record under any record label.

Rihanna is fortunate in that she fully recovered from her horrific ordeal, but what would everyone have thought had he given her brain damage?? The other thing that strikes me odd with everyone rushing to forgive him is what about if it had been a child he had done this to?? The guy obviously has enough of a problem to do this once, so there is no reason to believe that he isnt indeed capable of doing it again.

No second chance from me, not that it is going to matter to much to him.

Good thing I thought he was rubbish anyway I suppose!!

 

[shiiki]

He didn't do anything to me but I don't have respect for men who beat the shit out of women. :angry:

 

[CatherineNZ]

he was courageous enough to say sorry to the whole world. he admitted his mistake. do not judge others so you wont be judged. men hit women or some think of doing that. he publicly steps on his pride ans asks for forgiveness. he doesnt look for excuses. i admire him for that. and my opinion about him changed actually. of course i would forgive him.

 

[cbmj4321]

I totally disagree with this. Age has NOTHING to do with the issue. If you are capable of hitting a woman it can happen at anytime. He has done this once, it may well happen again!

Men who beat women to a pulp have a serious problem and should seek professional help. This is where domestic violence begins and although it probably wont be with Rihanna again, what happens if Chris a few years down the line doesn't "deal with the situation very well" and the same thing happens again, but this time his unfortunate victim dies from her injuries??

As I said in my first post, any "man" who hits a woman is a slimy coward. In my personal opinion I think he should never be allowed to release another record under any record label.

Rihanna is fortunate in that she fully recovered from her horrific ordeal, but what would everyone have thought had he given her brain damage?? The other thing that strikes me odd with everyone rushing to forgive him is what about if it had been a child he had done this to?? The guy obviously has enough of a problem to do this once, so there is no reason to believe that he isnt indeed capable of doing it again.

No second chance from me, not that it is going to matter to much to him.

Good thing I thought he was rubbish anyway I suppose!!

its so ignorant and stupid how people arent willing to see if he can turn this into a positive. This presents a great opportunity for him. If it happens again well then perhaps he is a "slimy coward", but theres no way in hell you can judge him and make valid points, as obviously you have not taken the time to see who he really is. Oh and age does play a HUGE part in this, because he's still maturing and going through learning experiences. He can now help so many people by sharing the experience and showing how people can overcome. It's so ignorant to just wanna bury him after this, instead of giving him a chance to redeem himself. It's ashame your full of such hatred for someone, cause believe it or not, that brings you down waaay more than it brings him down.

 

[Hardcastle]

Relax. You can't expect everyone to deal with this in the same way. I've personally witnessed domestic violence and I have never forgiven the aggressor. Some wounds never heal.

 

[shiiki]

Oh and age does play a HUGE part in this, because he's still maturing and going through learning experiences.

I think it's common sense that violence is NEVER the answer. And as a 20-year-old he should know very well.

 

[StaceyMJ]

I'm sorry, but that apology was one of the most insincere things I've ever seen in my life. I think anyone would have the balls to do it if they had a career like his at stake. No I don't forgive him, and never again will I have respect for him. I think he should do everyone a favour and step out of the public eye for a long time. He's nothing but a thug.
If he'd pushed her or something I might be a little more forgiving but what he did to that girl was just sick.

 

[dangerous_88]

Fuck Chris Brown. He has NOTHING in common with Michael, and he is a coward and a loser. AND IT'S NOT A FUCKING MISTAKE WHEN YOU SMASH IN THE FACE OF THE WOMAN WHO LOVES YOU!!! Burn in hell you fat-faced fuck. I actually liked you until you showed your true, pathetic colors, and me and millions of others will never even give your fucking music a chance after this.

that is pretty shallow i must say... just because you don't like someone as a person doesn't mean that you shouldn't listen to their music... if for example you had a bag, designed and made by a junkie, would you still be wearing it? yes of course.

 

[dangerous_88]

He didn't hit me so I am not personally affected.

Do I like his music any less? No.
Did I think it was silly that all the radio stations quit playing his music after this incident? Yes.
Do I wish he never hit her? Yes.

The Chris that we all know is Singer/Dancer Chris Brown...we do not know Rihanna's Chris Brown...so we have no room to judge or talk abouth im really.

They both know what happened, why it happened, how it went down, etc. etc. It is their business and it is up to her to forgive and forget.

It is up to us to decide whether we want to open or shut our ears to his music again...
Which in case, I am choosing to open mine. =]

exactly. it's their personal thing. if y'all who are so against Chris Brown molesting women, did you ever do something to help those abused women? or you just thinking about it now cause it's the celebs in the centre of attention?

 

[StaceyMJ]

exactly. it's their personal thing. if y'all who are so against Chris Brown molesting women, did you ever do something to help those abused women? or you just thinking about it now cause it's the celebs in the centre of attention?

What? That's a stupid thing to say. Because I've never personally helped someone in this situation I'm not allowed to disapprove? Sorry, I don't see your point at all.

However, in light of my original post in this thread I think I was a bit OTT. As for saying I'll never respect him I'll change that to ask me again in 20 years and I'll tell you then whether I do or not. Respect isn't given, it's earned, so time will tell what he's truly like and if he's truly repentant.

 

[Arabian Knight]

I know it is really hard to forgive him because he assaulted a woman, could he have done that to someone in his own size?? I don’t think so! But foreignness is something so pure and it takes someone so special to be able to forgive. I am talking about his image in the public eyes since he involved the public in his video, I can say that we should forgive him and this mistake could make of him a much better person in the future. You’ll never know how this could change him.

 

[StaceyMJ]

I know it is really hard to forgive him because he assaulted a woman, could he have done that to someone in his own size?? I don’t think so! But foreignness is something so pure and it takes someone so special to be able to forgive. I am talking about his image in the public eyes since he involved the public in his video, I can say that we should forgive him and this mistake could make of him a much better person in the future. You’ll never know how this could change him.

I agree, I hope it does change him, then something good will inadvertantly have come from this. But I'm gonna reserve my judgement on that for now.

 

[BadEraSexy]

Any man who hits a lady doesnt deserve anything other than contempt!!

Just wish she had clobbered him back with a baseball bat to the dome!!!

exactly! Funny how he waited moooonths later to only apologize by reading from cue cards and not seeming genuine when he conveniently has a cd about to drop. I don't believe or forgive him because I didn't like the fact that less than a week later he was jet-skiing and laughing it up, no remorse. Then to walk around with a goofy $300,000 "OOPS" chain? yeah, what a dimwit

I'm not forgiving a woman beater. IF she did hit him, he
had NO marks and her whole face was beat in and she was unconscious.
That's not a frigging mistake, a mistake is grabbing a bottle of
water instead of the bottle of juice next to it.

Not to mention, he needs ME more than i need HIM. Money talks,
always. I'll move right on by not buying his cds, concert tickets,
or anything else by him for my little cousins. I never liked his
lisping behind anyway. I'm glad that people are shunning him. I think that all women beaters should be tarred and feathered. Funny how everyone jumped to tar and feather MJ with no proof but her face was plastered all over the net the next day and everyone's all "we make mistakes, forgive!" Blah, that's not a mistake, that's a monster in training

 

[dangerous_88]

What? That's a stupid thing to say. Because I've never personally helped someone in this situation I'm not allowed to disapprove? Sorry, I don't see your point at all.

However, in light of my original post in this thread I think I was a bit OTT. As for saying I'll never respect him I'll change that to ask me again in 20 years and I'll tell you then whether I do or not. Respect isn't given, it's earned, so time will tell what he's truly like and if he's truly repentant.

no, i don't say you are not allowed to disapprove, but most of the people focus on this topic now just because it is celebrities, whereas many of them wouldn't even care hearing about the same problem if it were say, their neighbors.

 

[cbmj4321]

exactly! Funny how he waited moooonths later to only apologize by reading from cue cards and not seeming genuine when he conveniently has a cd about to drop. I don't believe or forgive him because I didn't like the fact that less than a week later he was jet-skiing and laughing it up, no remorse. Then to walk around with a goofy $300,000 "OOPS" chain? yeah, what a dimwit

I'm not forgiving a woman beater. IF she did hit him, he
had NO marks and her whole face was beat in and she was unconscious.
That's not a frigging mistake, a mistake is grabbing a bottle of
water instead of the bottle of juice next to it.

Not to mention, he needs ME more than i need HIM. Money talks,
always. I'll move right on by not buying his cds, concert tickets,
or anything else by him for my little cousins. I never liked his
lisping behind anyway. I'm glad that people are shunning him. I think that all women beaters should be tarred and feathered. Funny how everyone jumped to tar and feather MJ with no proof but her face was plastered all over the net the next day and everyone's all "we make mistakes, forgive!" Blah, that's not a mistake, that's a monster in training

Your whole first paragraph is completely wrong. He had to wait to apologize first off, as advised by his attorneys, if you would've listened you would've seen that. Also either way people were going to hate on him. Chris isnt a great public speaker, so if he just did the apology without the script, you all wouldve made fun of him saying oh wow look he can't even talk blah blah blah. Barack Obama uses prompters and such, does that make what he says not genuine? NO, This is obvious that its a genuine apology. Oh and once again it was THREE weeks later he was jet skiing and thats cause Rihanna was WITH him so he was happy. Get your facts straight please.

And he doesnt need you more than you need him, he still has millions of fans worldwide that support him, and many more that will jump back on the bandwagon once his CD comes out, which btw is another incorrect thing you stated, his album isn't coming out soon its tentatively scheduled for late 2009, and theres not even a single out. So this obviously isn't for publicity or promotion. And just throwing this out there, noone considers what Rihanna could've done? Sure she didn't deserve it that's obvious, but Chris has had absolutely no complaints, lawsuits, or anything against him til this. It's been well documented that Rihanna has an AWFUL temper, and is not scared to hit a person. She smashed her brother's face with a glass bottle when she was around 16ish! People aren't willing to try and see a practical explanation to it, instead they just wanna think Rihanna's oh so innocent and Chris just decided to beat her out of nowhere. Pfft...okay

But whatever there's just no convincing some people to look at the situation in a practical way i guess. Just remember that as i said before, holding on to hatred and bitter feelings toward someone is harming you way more than him.

 

[choccyclaire]

That was hardly an apology. It was a choreographed piece of text given to him by his lawyer to read aloud.

If he had spoken himself from his heart, then maybe there would be more room for forgiveness here.

 

[Travis]

Chris Brown is young and one act cannot and should not represent him as a person for the rest of his life. He is not this one act. We all **** up. Big or small, we have all done things we are ashamed of and have no good excuse for. Don't pretend you haven't. We all need to get off our high horses and use our hearts. Lend him the same compassion you would wish for yourself. No, we don't have to forgive him but he DOES deserve a chance to make things right so he can move forward and live a productive life.

 

[MoonGlider]

exactly. it's their personal thing. if y'all who are so against Chris Brown molesting women, did you ever do something to help those abused women? or you just thinking about it now cause it's the celebs in the centre of attention?

Actually, I have. I have volunteered for a DV organization. Of course, that is besides the point. You need to participate to be concerned. There are too many issues in this world to involve yourself with every single one of them. I've never helped burn victims but that does not mean I wouldn't be able to sympathize. Also, you might forget that some people can easily identify with the situation due to their own fears of violence by the people in their lives.

Additionally, domestic violence is a very hidden issue. It's not talked about publicly and since it happens within families, often behind close doors, it is treated as a private matter. Brown's attack brought DV into the public sphere and made people more aware of it.

no, i don't say you are not allowed to disapprove, but most of the people focus on this topic now just because it is celebrities, whereas many of them wouldn't even care hearing about the same problem if it were say, their neighbors.

I don't think people don't care. I think people don't know the extent of the problem or how to help. It is not as easy as participating in food drives or picking up litter off the street. And if you do know someone who is battered, it is not easy to help them directly. They have to be willing to leave the situation, which is often a complicated decision since they may love the person of have children with the person, and they have to be assured that they can live their life safely once away. The one thing I learned from working at a DV clinic is how difficult it can be for women to escape the situation. The women had to change their names and basically live in hiding because some of their exes were so keen on tracking them down.

No person deserves to be beaten? I disagree. A grown man who beats a woman who is weaker than himself and who cannot defend herself against his attacks deserves to be beaten in a similar manner to his victim, barring any extraordinary circumstances (avenging a murder, etc.).

That’s your opinion, and therein lies the problem. Admittedly, I myself would probably see retaliation of certain horrendous crimes as somewhat gratifying, but there is no way to make a principled stance on it. It is entirely subjective and external. That would mean no matter how you behave it is always possible that someone will think your actions are worthy of retaliation because it is based on their possibly unreasonable perception (A few weeks ago I read an article about a man who attacked his wife with a cleaver. She deserved it, in his mind, because she swept the floor wrong). Living in fear of someone else’s violence is not an ideal situation. This is why we have legal systems instead of citizen self-help remedies. It does society no good to have people getting beat up any time someone feels like it is deserved for whatever reason. Retribution is emotional, not rational. It appeals to baser instincts. It accomplishes nothing except a possible sense of animalistic satisfaction. Consequently, I also would not trust people to retaliate proportionately without unbridled cruelty. Further violence does not contribute anything positive to society. The act of beating someone even in seeking vengeance is arguably an immoral act in itself ("two wrongs don't make a right"). Finally, to say someone deserves violence takes an awful lot of arrogance. It implies a certain right of ownership over another person’s body and life, a right individuals do not and should not have.

The only time someone might practically “deserve” violence is when the violence may be necessary to stop a person from injuring others. But that is not about what the individual deserves in someone’s opinion; that is a practical decision for the greater good to minimize injury. The deterrent effect of retributive violence could be argued, of course, but that was not at issue in the original comment which suggested a person should be physically attacked by a private individual due to her social choices and that person’s patriarchal belief that those choices were worthy of punishment. Such reasoning is the often the basis and justification for hate and gender crimes. It is also used to excuse crimes similar to the hypothetical you offered in the form of the provocation defense. Thus I do not find it a good rationale for curbing or targeting violent acts. Where violence may be deemed necessary by society to prevent violent crime, that ability should not be in the hands of private individuals.

Of course this is all philosophical. We cannot prove whether retribution is right or wrong, but on the whole I feel that a system allowing private violent retaliation would not be a good one.

 

[MoonGlider]

Chris Brown is young and one act cannot and should not represent him as a person for the rest of his life. He is not this one act. We all **** up. Big or small, we have all done things we are ashamed of and have no good excuse for. Don't pretend you haven't. We all need to get off our high horses and use our hearts. Lend him the same compassion you would wish for yourself. No, we don't have to forgive him but he DOES deserve a chance to make things right so he can move forward and live a productive life.

I don't know about you, but I have never beaten anyone up. There is no excuse for it short of the victim having attacked you or a member of your family or something like that. And this young talk needs to stop. He was an adult, years past the point where we would expect him to be old enough to know better than to attack someone.

That being said, I agree that the rest of his life should not be defined by this one act.

 

[Cinnamon234]

It's not for me to forgive. This question should be asked to Rihanna. Personally, I feel that there is never any excuse for violence and I don't condone that in anyway, but Chris is young, like 19 or 20 and he made a horrible mistake. I think everyone for the most part does deserve a second chance. I do believe he's sorry and I just hope nothing like this ever happens again. I really hope he's learned his lesson.

 

[BadEraSexy]

And he doesnt need you more than you need him, he still has millions of fans worldwide that support him, and many more that will jump back on the bandwagon once his CD comes out, which btw is another incorrect thing you stated, his album isn't coming out soon its tentatively scheduled for late 2009, and theres not even a single out. So this obviously isn't for publicity or promotion. And just throwing this out there, noone considers what Rihanna could've done? Sure she didn't deserve it that's obvious, but Chris has had absolutely no complaints, lawsuits, or anything against him til this. It's been well documented that Rihanna has an AWFUL temper, and is not scared to hit a person. She smashed her brother's face with a glass bottle when she was around 16ish! People aren't willing to try and see a practical explanation to it, instead they just wanna think Rihanna's oh so innocent and Chris just decided to beat her out of nowhere. Pfft...okay

But whatever there's just no convincing some people to look at the situation in a practical way i guess. Just remember that as i said before, holding on to hatred and bitter feelings toward someone is harming you way more than him.

i don't hate him, i just don't have to SUPPORT him. No one I know wants to buy his stuff, and that seems to be whats rampant on the threads as well. On Perez and TMZ, HUNDREDS were saying how horrible they thought he was, how phony that seemed, how they aren't buying things. So trust me, I'm not the only one saying cry me a river chris. Lol, the CB in your name stands for Chris Brown, doesn't it?

You can be a "practical" CB apologist and I'll continue to not support women beaters. simple as that. I don't recall seeing any marks on him or any hospital visits because of Rihanna. Maybe you know of some that I don't, but i've SEEN the photo of her after a fight with him, not the other way around

 

[mjscarousal]

Can I forgive Chris Brown?

Dont really care to be honest and never was really a fan. I do however think the situation is sad and violence is never acceptable but I really could care less either way.
His a celebrity but human just like me and you. When people are exactly going to realize that about celebs .. I dunno.

 

[anotherpartofme]

i dont know what to think of this situation.

i think he deserves a second chance, and can be forgiven over time if he never does anything nasty again, but he must not ever do that again.

hitting a woman is a disgusting act.

 

[StaceyMJ]

That was hardly an apology. It was a choreographed piece of text given to him by his lawyer to read aloud.

If he had spoken himself from his heart, then maybe there would be more room for forgiveness here.

Amen to that!

 

[Hardcastle]

Actually, I have. I have volunteered for a DV organization. Of course, that is besides the point. You need to participate to be concerned. There are too many issues in this world to involve yourself with every single one of them. I've never helped burn victims but that does not mean I wouldn't be able to sympathize. Also, you might forget that some people can easily identify with the situation due to their own fears of violence by the people in their lives.

Additionally, domestic violence is a very hidden issue. It's not talked about publicly and since it happens within families, often behind close doors, it is treated as a private matter. Brown's attack brought DV into the public sphere and made people more aware of it.


I don't think people don't care. I think people don't know the extent of the problem or how to help. It is not as easy as participating in food drives or picking up litter off the street. And if you do know someone who is battered, it is not easy to help them directly. They have to be willing to leave the situation, which is often a complicated decision since they may love the person of have children with the person, and they have to be assured that they can live their life safely once away. The one thing I learned from working at a DV clinic is how difficult it can be for women to escape the situation. The women had to change their names and basically live in hiding because some of their exes were so keen on tracking them down.





That’s your opinion, and therein lies the problem. Admittedly, I myself would probably see retaliation of certain horrendous crimes as somewhat gratifying, but there is no way to make a principled stance on it. It is entirely subjective and external. That would mean no matter how you behave it is always possible that someone will think your actions are worthy of retaliation because it is based on their possibly unreasonable perception (A few weeks ago I read an article about a man who attacked his wife with a cleaver. She deserved it, in his mind, because she swept the floor wrong). Living in fear of someone else’s violence is not an ideal situation. This is why we have legal systems instead of citizen self-help remedies. It does society no good to have people getting beat up any time someone feels like it is deserved for whatever reason. Retribution is emotional, not rational. It appeals to baser instincts. It accomplishes nothing except a possible sense of animalistic satisfaction. Consequently, I also would not trust people to retaliate proportionately without unbridled cruelty. Further violence does not contribute anything positive to society. The act of beating someone even in seeking vengeance is arguably an immoral act in itself ("two wrongs don't make a right"). Finally, to say someone deserves violence takes an awful lot of arrogance. It implies a certain right of ownership over another person’s body and life, a right individuals do not and should not have.

The only time someone might practically “deserve” violence is when the violence may be necessary to stop a person from injuring others. But that is not about what the individual deserves in someone’s opinion; that is a practical decision for the greater good to minimize injury. The deterrent effect of retributive violence could be argued, of course, but that was not at issue in the original comment which suggested a person should be physically attacked by a private individual due to her social choices and that person’s patriarchal belief that those choices were worthy of punishment. Such reasoning is the often the basis and justification for hate and gender crimes. It is also used to excuse crimes similar to the hypothetical you offered in the form of the provocation defense. Thus I do not find it a good rationale for curbing or targeting violent acts. Where violence may be deemed necessary by society to prevent violent crime, that ability should not be in the hands of private individuals.

Of course this is all philosophical. We cannot prove whether retribution is right or wrong, but on the whole I feel that a system allowing private violent retaliation would not be a good one.

It's very easy to say such things, but try to appreciate the human emotions involved in such a matter. People are not robots. Whether it's right or wrong to exact revenge doesn't really matter to a person who has had a loved one beaten to a pulp by an aggressor. Your view is valid, but also exceedingly insensitive to the human factor in regard to domestic violence and its ramifications. I don't condone violence, but I would struggle to restrain myself if someone ever harmed one of my loved ones. Again, humans are humans not robots.

 

[innuendo141]

everyone does deserve a second chance but to me hes scum. you never ever lay your hand on a woman. ever.

 

[cbmj4321]

i don't hate him, i just don't have to SUPPORT him. No one I know wants to buy his stuff, and that seems to be whats rampant on the threads as well. On Perez and TMZ, HUNDREDS were saying how horrible they thought he was, how phony that seemed, how they aren't buying things. So trust me, I'm not the only one saying cry me a river chris. Lol, the CB in your name stands for Chris Brown, doesn't it?

You can be a "practical" CB apologist and I'll continue to not support women beaters. simple as that. I don't recall seeing any marks on him or any hospital visits because of Rihanna. Maybe you know of some that I don't, but i've SEEN the photo of her after a fight with him, not the other way around

hahahahahah your sites are perez and TMZ? pleeeeease they hate on everyone and everything they can haha very nice. And personally i don't really think she needed to go to the hospital, she had a lump on her head and a messed up lip, so i don't think that really requires a hospital visit. Also while theres hasnt been proof of him having injuries, there hasnt been proof of him not having injuries either. And his mugshot was never released, seems a bit fishy to me. There are a few articles stating that he had some injuries but theyre not reliable so I won't believe that until it's said by one of them. In the end, it doesn't really matter if you support him or not, it's your choice not to and that's fine. I'm just saying the situation is more than just "Chris Brown hit a woman!", there's much more to it than that.

 

[StaceyMJ]

hahahahahah your sites are perez and TMZ? pleeeeease they hate on everyone and everything they can haha very nice. And personally i don't really think she needed to go to the hospital, she had a lump on her head and a messed up lip, so i don't think that really requires a hospital visit. Also while theres hasnt been proof of him having injuries, there hasnt been proof of him not having injuries either. And his mugshot was never released, seems a bit fishy to me. There are a few articles stating that he had some injuries but theyre not reliable so I won't believe that until it's said by one of them. In the end, it doesn't really matter if you support him or not, it's your choice not to and that's fine. I'm just saying the situation is more than just "Chris Brown hit a woman!", there's much more to it than that.

That's the part we're discussing though, no? I can't believe that doesn't register with you as being a beyond disgusting act! How do you know it didn't constitute a hospital visit. God, your post! I don't even know where to start. :mello:

 

[LUVU4LIFE]

Yes, I think he should be forgiven. He mentioned he grew up with domestic violence - that's no excuse of course, I did too and I haven't beaten anybody up but everyone deals with things differently and we have all done things we regret. The main thing is he's trying to work it out in his head, he's been seeking help, he has apologised and he never tried to deny it or blame anyone else for his actions. That takes guts. In my experience people rarely change but it's even rarer that they try and if they do, they should be given a chance... but not a third! *Make that change!*

Yes i totally agree with you...i forgive him....I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt...we were not there so we really dont know both sides of the story...never judge. That's not our job....I beleive Michael would definately agree with that...You can never know what one is going through.