Hot topic Brad Sundberg Seminars: Making Music With Michael Jackson

Yeah I really don't anticipate being able to stop myself lol I plan to take some notes during it, though I also want to fully immerse myself so we will see how detailed I am. But I am hoping to write up a "report" of what is covered and share it here. Kind of like how I wrote a big review of the musical (which I am seeing again in October, btw, and will probably report about again lol).

I am very very excited!! 😊
Please do!! It'll be great to have more insight into Brad's seminars
 
Please do!! It'll be great to have more insight into Brad's seminars

I definitely will. I have no real idea what to expect. He is also debuting a new "segment" at this particular event called "Just Another Day" "featuring all new behind-the-scenes footage and stories as we spend a day with Michael in the studio and at his amazing Neverland Valley Ranch." I'm not completely sure how this differs from the normal event, but I'm excited to find out :)
 
I wish I was still in America! Too bad Europe don't have those kind of things :(
 
I wish I was still in America! Too bad Europe don't have those kind of things :(
He has another one upcoming in Paris in September I think! And I believe he's adding one in Spain in November! He had one in Amsterdam in April I think. So I'm sure there will be more opportunities :)
 
I would absolutely love to go to his seminars if he does anything out here again, he has such great stories and insights on working with Michael, I follow him on the socials he's such a genuine guy :D
 
I would absolutely love to go to his seminars if he does anything out here again, he has such great stories and insights on working with Michael, I follow him on the socials he's such a genuine guy :D
My hope is he will continue adding more dates! It seems like they slowed down a lot because of Covid. He really does seem like a great guy! I can't wait 😊
 
I would absolutely love to go to his seminars if he does anything out here again, he has such great stories and insights on working with Michael, I follow him on the socials he's such a genuine guy :D
One of my fave things is his little celebration (on his YT channel) of Dangerous 30. He has the vinyl album in his hand and he's talking about the little message Michael wrote on Brad's copy. I think it's the bit where Michael has called Brad the 'miracle worker'. Something like that. And as Brad is talking he has to stop for a second or two. He's so emotional. I mean, he's not about to burst into tears but he is def a bit choked at that moment. Very poignant.
 
One of my fave things is his little celebration (on his YT channel) of Dangerous 30. He has the vinyl album in his hand and he's talking about the little message Michael wrote on Brad's copy. I think it's the bit where Michael has called Brad the 'miracle worker'. Something like that. And as Brad is talking he has to stop for a second or two. He's so emotional. I mean, he's not about to burst into tears but he is def a bit choked at that moment. Very poignant.
Oh yes, that was absolutely sweet and so sentimental indeed.
 
One of my fave things is his little celebration (on his YT channel) of Dangerous 30. He has the vinyl album in his hand and he's talking about the little message Michael wrote on Brad's copy. I think it's the bit where Michael has called Brad the 'miracle worker'. Something like that. And as Brad is talking he has to stop for a second or two. He's so emotional. I mean, he's not about to burst into tears but he is def a bit choked at that moment. Very poignant.
I totally wasn't familiar with this but I just looked it up and watched it. I loved this whole thing, but especially when he read Michael's message and tested up. Wow. So powerful and speaks a lot to the relationship he had with Michael and the lasting impact.

Thanks for telling us about this! I'm dropping the video below for anyone else who wants to watch it!

 
Last Saturday I attended Brad Sundberg’s “In the Studio with Michael Jackson” seminar in Orlando, Florida. What I experienced at this event was nothing short of magical. I know I can’t capture even a whisper of all that magic in this write up, but I thought I could share a bit from my experience so that those of you who are interested but unable to attend one of these seminars can share in some of the lesser known elements of Michael’s artistry and personality that I had the privilege of learning about. It should go without saying that if you ARE planning to attend one of these events somewhat soon, this will definitely contain "spoilers" for lack of a better term. So if you want to remain completely surprised, I would not read this. That said, even having attended the entire event, I would 100% attend again and again and again, even if I knew every story already. It was that good.

Also, before I get started, I want to preface this by saying I have only written up about half of the notes I’ve taken so far and am already at well over 5,000 words. So, I anticipate once I finish I will have at least 10,000 words of reflection. I know that is insane. So, with that said, I am only including excerpts of my notes and what I have written 1) to keep this post from being a literal novella length and 2) to not truly spoil the event for other people. If people privately ask, I may be willing to share the full write up with others once I complete it.

So, this should be considered an Abridged PART 1 of my experience -- I'll be sharing more soon!

Format:
For the first half of the day (10am-4pm) the event covered the standard “In the Studio with MJ” session. This included going through the Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory album (with the least amount on HIStory). Then, from 5pm-9pm, Brad debuted a new segment with the working title “Day in the Life of” which is meant to capture Michael’s perspective in the studio. So, in essence, this was an 11-hour day devoted entirely to Michael which, for me (and I’m sure many other fans), is a literal dream come true.

I woke up in the morning weirdly nervous. I had butterflies in my stomach and I couldn’t quite explain why. When I arrived at the studio, Brad and his team were still setting up as attendees were checking in. It was immediately apparent that this was a MICHAEL JACKSON event, because almost every person was wearing some kind of MJ clothing. There was a Captain EO shirt, MJ One shirt, a Dangerous zip up hoodie, a Bad t-shirt, a concert tee, etc. People were representing our man.

The event itself was held at a studio where Michael had recorded at some point, I believe in the 2000s. Despite asking about a thousand questions throughout the seminar, I somehow didn’t ask what he was recording there. However, it was hard not to think about the fact that this space we were in did not only at one point contain Michael himself, but also acted as witness to his brilliance. This is a thought I could get lost in if I let myself. Anyway, the room was set up so that three rows of folding chairs were formulated in almost a half-moon shape facing Brad. These folding chairs would, over the course of 11 hours, prove to get the best of several people. Brad was set up in front of the glass pane separating the artist from the studio engineers. He had a large projector and screen, a desk with computer equipment, speakers, and a microphone. As we waited for the seminar to begin, Brad was playing MJ music, primarily from Off the Wall and Invincible.

Though Brad didn’t begin working with Michael until 1986, in order to help “introduce” us to Michael and the team he worked with for years, he started with a brief discussion of Off the Wall. He told us that neither Michael or Bruce Swedien really liked to use the word “demo” for early recordings. Michael used to say “a demo is a promise and you can’t break the promise.” Meaning it represents a sound, energy, and spirit to fight for throughout the recording process. Brad then shared the “promise” for “I can’t help it.” I realize this demo was leaked online at some point, but I’m not sure if this is actually the same one that I heard. Either way, when he played it during the seminar this was the first time I had ever heard it. I was swept away. Michael’s voice was so free and angelic, with the song so unformed and unproduced that it actually made me cry.

Skipping past several funny anecdotes about Michael (I can definitely share these if people are interested), I’m going to move to the Bad album of which Brad spent a huge portion of time discussing. Here are some highlights from that:

  • Brad clarified that despite rumors repeated over and over by some YouTubers and fans online, no one ever set up a microphone by Michael’s feet to record him dancing. All of the footwork we hear is caught from the main microphone set up for him to sing into. Brad emphasized this by saying that while he personally would have found it really cool to do that, it’s not the kind of thing Bruce Swedian ever would have considered doing.
  • Just as Michael said in the Ebony Jet interview, he really did record the intro to “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You” in a bed. As a huge fan of that intro, I have always wondered how this happened. Apparently, they brought in a bed (covers and everything lol) and had Michael lay in the bed with a microphone shaped like an ear and had him whisper into it. He showed us a photo of the setup and it was adorable to imagine this whole scenario.
  • Somehow, Brad ended up talking about this intro at length. First, however, he played the intro for us at top volume and, let me tell you, listening to that intro with a room full of people was…something. I’m not going to say anything else about my own response to this, but those who know KNOW. Anyway, after he played this he told the story. Essentially, Michael wanted to release IJCSLY “for the girls” and wanted to include a spoken intro for the same reason (adorable). Except, he didn’t know exactly what to say in it. So, Bruce and some of the other guys came up with a list of possible phrases for him to recite. Brad pulled up a scan of a piece of paper dated 5/23/1987 with notes of all the possible directions Michael could go with this little introduction. This included options like “do you love me?” and “your eyes are star like” and “I was so lonely until I met you…” and a few of the phrases that end up in the intro. Brad shared that between the intro, how they recorded it, and the content of the song itself, all the guys on the production team referred to it behind the scenes as “I Just Can’t Stop Rubbing You” lol. I wasn’t clear on if Michael was a part of this joke, but Brad did admit he rarely tells groups that part.
  • One of the first great “shares” of the day was when Brad played a very early version of Smooth Criminal. What was most noticeable about this was Michael’s vocal play on the line “Annie are you ok?” Where in the final version we hear a very consistent driving style, in this early version Michael messed around with his voice, singing it in all different tones, attitudes, and moods. It was so dynamic.
  • Later Brad shared the Speed Demon demo – AMAZING. So much better than the album cut, in my opinion, because it had way more variation and funkiness to it. In this demo, Michael is heard beatboxing, singing into a megaphone, singing the synth string parts in an almost haunting way. I asked how attached Michael seemed to his own ideas. Specifically, I was interested in knowing how a demo like this might turn into a much more polished version. I wondered how often he fought for specific sounds, or ideas, to make it into the final cut of a song, or if he was just comfortable laying down whatever came to him and working from there. Brad said that Michael was very flexible, but had certain things he would fight for, with an increase in attachment over the years, which Brad saw as a good thing. Almost like a sign of his continued growth as an artist. Someone else asked if Speed Demon was really written about Michael getting a speeding ticket on the way to the studio and Brad said he’s not sure how true that is, however, Michael did get a speeding ticket and was extremely upset and embarrassed about it. Despite the fact that everyone told him it was not a big deal and everyone gets speeding tickets, Michael seemed alarmingly upset about it and almost couldn’t even talk about it.
  • Streetwalker – early version – the Bill Bottrell version. Incredibly funky. So much funkier than what ends up on Bad 25.
  • Next, he shared how during the Bad tour, Michael was dealing with a lot of racism, especially in Australia. He had a really rough time and needed to reset when he came back. This led to him discussing the rehearsals in Pensacola. According to Brad, it was during these couple of weeks that they recorded the jazzy intro of TWYMMF for the Grammys. He explained how MJ was staying on the top floor of the hotel across from where they were doing rehearsals. So, to record this intro, they took all the mattresses from multiple rooms and lined them up against the walls around Michael’s bedroom and they ran wiring and cables literally from the window of his top floor suite down to the portable studio they had in a truck below. Apparently, Michael was so happy with this take that he never wanted to edit it again. Brad said how whenever this happened, Michael would say “Bible” which meant “rock solid” or even sometimes “Bible Bible” which meant even better than rock solid. Basically, if Michael called something “Bible” it meant that he didn’t want to change a single thing about it.
  • Family Thing Demo – full demo played. Michael’s voice in the verses was pretty low, but it was rhythmic and exciting. I didn’t take many notes on this song, but I loved it.
That’s all I’m going to share for now. There were several other things about the Bad era that were shared, but honestly, this is me legitimately trying to trim it down and that’s very hard for me (obviously). If this is too much detail for people, I will try to trim down the info about Dangerous even more, but I can’t make any promises haha.

One thing I want to note:

Brad didn’t really share any behind-the-scenes video footage, either in the studio, or otherwise from the Bad era. He did however share studio footage (both Michael recording songs, producing other singers, and casually hanging out) when discussing Dangerous and HIStory, as well as in the new segment. Maybe it's because I am such a fan of the Bad era, but I found I learned more totally new stuff after

@zinniabooklover @SmoothCriminal1995 @Jesionka @filmandmusic @MacMandy90

^ I tagged specific people who mentioned to me that they would like to read my review of the seminar. If you would prefer I don't tag you OR if you are interested and would like me to tag you in the future, just let me know! I don't want to annoy anyone OR leave anyone out. Just limiting it to specific people who seemed especially interested :)
 
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Last Saturday I attended Brad Sundberg’s “In the Studio with Michael Jackson” seminar in Orlando, Florida. What I experienced at this event was nothing short of magical. I know I can’t capture even a whisper of all that magic in this write up, but I thought I could share a bit from my experience so that those of you who are interested but unable to attend one of these seminars can share in some of the lesser known elements of Michael’s artistry and personality that I had the privilege of learning about. It should go without saying that if you ARE planning to attend one of these events somewhat soon, this will definitely contain "spoilers" for lack of a better term. So if you want to remain completely surprised, I would not read this. That said, even having attended the entire event, I would 100% attend again and again and again, even if I knew every story already. It was that good.

Also, before I get started, I want to preface this by saying I have only written up about half of the notes I’ve taken so far and am already at well over 5,000 words. So, I anticipate once I finish I will have at least 10,000 words of reflection. I know that is insane. So, with that said, I am only including excerpts of my notes and what I have written 1) to keep this post from being a literal novella length and 2) to not truly spoil the event for other people. If people privately ask, I may be willing to share the full write up with others once I complete it.

So, this should be considered an Abridged PART 1 of my experience -- I'll be sharing more soon!

Format:
For the first half of the day (10am-4pm) the event covered the standard “In the Studio with MJ” session. This included going through the Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory album (with the least amount on HIStory). Then, from 5pm-9pm, Brad debuted a new segment with the working title “Day in the Life of” which is meant to capture Michael’s perspective in the studio. So, in essence, this was an 11-hour day devoted entirely to Michael which, for me (and I’m sure many other fans), is a literal dream come true.

I woke up in the morning weirdly nervous. I had butterflies in my stomach and I couldn’t quite explain why. When I arrived at the studio, Brad and his team were still setting up as attendees were checking in. It was immediately apparent that this was a MICHAEL JACKSON event, because almost every person was wearing some kind of MJ clothing. There was a Captain EO shirt, MJ One shirt, a Dangerous zip up hoodie, a Bad t-shirt, a concert tee, etc. People were representing our man.

The event itself was held at a studio where Michael had recorded at some point, I believe in the 2000s. Despite asking about a thousand questions throughout the seminar, I somehow didn’t ask what he was recording there. However, it was hard not to think about the fact that this space we were in did not only at one point contain Michael himself, but also acted as witness to his brilliance. This is a thought I could get lost in if I let myself. Anyway, the room was set up so that three rows of folding chairs were formulated in almost a half-moon shape facing Brad. These folding chairs would, over the course of 11 hours, prove to get the best of several people. Brad was set up in front of the glass pane separating the artist from the studio engineers. He had a large projector and screen, a desk with computer equipment, speakers, and a microphone. As we waited for the seminar to begin, Brad was playing MJ music, primarily from Off the Wall and Invincible.

Though Brad didn’t begin working with Michael until 1986, in order to help “introduce” us to Michael and the team he worked with for years, he started with a brief discussion of Off the Wall. He told us that neither Michael or Bruce Swedien really liked to use the word “demo” for early recordings. Michael used to say “a demo is a promise and you can’t break the promise.” Meaning it represents a sound, energy, and spirit to fight for throughout the recording process. Brad then shared the “promise” for “I can’t help it.” I realize this demo was leaked online at some point, but I’m not sure if this is actually the same one that I heard. Either way, when he played it during the seminar this was the first time I had ever heard it. I was swept away. Michael’s voice was so free and angelic, with the song so unformed and unproduced that it actually made me cry.

Skipping past several funny anecdotes about Michael (I can definitely share these if people are interested), I’m going to move to the Bad album of which Brad spent a huge portion of time discussing. Here are some highlights from that:

  • Brad clarified that despite rumors repeated over and over by some YouTubers and fans online, no one ever set up a microphone by Michael’s feet to record him dancing. All of the footwork we hear is caught from the main microphone set up for him to sing into. Brad emphasized this by saying that while he personally would have found it really cool to do that, it’s not the kind of thing Bruce Swedian ever would have considered doing.
  • Just as Michael said in the Ebony Jet interview, he really did record the intro to “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You” in a bed. As a huge fan of that intro, I have always wondered how this happened. Apparently, they brought in a bed (covers and everything lol) and had Michael lay in the bed with a microphone shaped like an ear and had him whisper into it. He showed us a photo of the setup and it was adorable to imagine this whole scenario.
  • Somehow, Brad ended up talking about this intro at length. First, however, he played the intro for us at top volume and, let me tell you, listening to that intro with a room full of people was…something. I’m not going to say anything else about my own response to this, but those who know KNOW. Anyway, after he played this he told the story. Essentially, Michael wanted to release IJCSLY “for the girls” and wanted to include a spoken intro for the same reason (adorable). Except, he didn’t know exactly what to say in it. So, Bruce and some of the other guys came up with a list of possible phrases for him to recite. Brad pulled up a scan of a piece of paper dated 5/23/1987 with notes of all the possible directions Michael could go with this little introduction. This included options like “do you love me?” and “your eyes are star like” and “I was so lonely until I met you…” and a few of the phrases that end up in the intro. Brad shared that between the intro, how they recorded it, and the content of the song itself, all the guys on the production team referred to it behind the scenes as “I Just Can’t Stop Rubbing You” lol. I wasn’t clear on if Michael was a part of this joke, but Brad did admit he rarely tells groups that part.
  • One of the first great “shares” of the day was when Brad played a very early version of Smooth Criminal. What was most noticeable about this was Michael’s vocal play on the line “Annie are you ok?” Where in the final version we hear a very consistent driving style, in this early version Michael messed around with his voice, singing it in all different tones, attitudes, and moods. It was so dynamic.
  • Later Brad shared the Speed Demon demo – AMAZING. So much better than the album cut, in my opinion, because it had way more variation and funkiness to it. In this demo, Michael is heard beatboxing, singing into a megaphone, singing the synth string parts in an almost haunting way. I asked how attached Michael seemed to his own ideas. Specifically, I was interested in knowing how a demo like this might turn into a much more polished version. I wondered how often he fought for specific sounds, or ideas, to make it into the final cut of a song, or if he was just comfortable laying down whatever came to him and working from there. Brad said that Michael was very flexible, but had certain things he would fight for, with an increase in attachment over the years, which Brad saw as a good thing. Almost like a sign of his continued growth as an artist. Someone else asked if Speed Demon was really written about Michael getting a speeding ticket on the way to the studio and Brad said he’s not sure how true that is, however, Michael did get a speeding ticket and was extremely upset and embarrassed about it. Despite the fact that everyone told him it was not a big deal and everyone gets speeding tickets, Michael seemed alarmingly upset about it and almost couldn’t even talk about it.
  • Streetwalker – early version – the Bill Bottrell version. Incredibly funky. So much funkier than what ends up on Bad 25.
  • Next, he shared how during the Bad tour, Michael was dealing with a lot of racism, especially in Australia. He had a really rough time and needed to reset when he came back. This led to him discussing the rehearsals in Pensacola. According to Brad, it was during these couple of weeks that they recorded the jazzy intro of TWYMMF for the Grammys. He explained how MJ was staying on the top floor of the hotel across from where they were doing rehearsals. So, to record this intro, they took all the mattresses from multiple rooms and lined them up against the walls around Michael’s bedroom and they ran wiring and cables literally from the window of his top floor suite down to the portable studio they had in a truck below. Apparently, Michael was so happy with this take that he never wanted to edit it again. Brad said how whenever this happened, Michael would say “Bible” which meant “rock solid” or even sometimes “Bible Bible” which meant even better than rock solid. Basically, if Michael called something “Bible” it meant that he didn’t want to change a single thing about it.
  • Family Thing Demo – full demo played. Michael’s voice in the verses was pretty low, but it was rhythmic and exciting. I didn’t take many notes on this song, but I loved it.
That’s all I’m going to share for now. There were several other things about the Bad era that were shared, but honestly, this is me legitimately trying to trim it down and that’s very hard for me (obviously). If this is too much detail for people, I will try to trim down the info about Dangerous even more, but I can’t make any promises haha.

One thing I want to note:

Brad didn’t really share any behind-the-scenes video footage, either in the studio, or otherwise from the Bad era. He did however share studio footage (both Michael recording songs, producing other singers, and casually hanging out) when discussing Dangerous and HIStory, as well as in the new segment. Maybe it's because I am such a fan of the Bad era, but I found I learned more totally new stuff after

@zinniabooklover @SmoothCriminal1995 @Jesionka @filmandmusic @MacMandy90

^ I tagged specific people who mentioned to me that they would like to read my review of the seminar. If you would prefer I don't tag you OR if you are interested and would like me to tag you in the future, just let me know! I don't want to annoy anyone OR leave anyone out. Just limiting it to specific people who seemed especially interested :)
I can't thank you enough for this, I always wanted to know how the seminars were like and this review makes it feel like I was there. Looking forward to part 2!!!!
 
I can't thank you enough for this, I always wanted to know how the seminars were like and this review makes it feel like I was there. Looking forward to part 2!!!!
Aww I'm so glad! Honestly, I tried to pare down a lot of those more "immersive" details because I didn't want to be ridiculous lol. I'm so glad you enjoyed it though! And really, I think the later posts will contain even more exciting stuff :)

@staywild23 Doll, that was an amazing overview I loved it!! I can't wait for the rest thank you! 🥰
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!! I have most of the Dangerous section written up, I think, but I need to condense it a bit for the forum. I really ramble on and on (as you all know lol).
 
Though Brad didn’t begin working with Michael until 1986, in order to help “introduce” us to Michael and the team he worked with for years, he started with a brief discussion of Off the Wall. He told us that neither Michael or Bruce Swedien really liked to use the word “demo” for early recordings. Michael used to say “a demo is a promise and you can’t break the promise.” Meaning it represents a sound, energy, and spirit to fight for throughout the recording process.
OMG, this reminds me of something I read earlier - oh, I mean, yesterday. sw23, check out New Fan / Addicted for something I posted there. A quote from someone re Michael's infusing his work with his spirit, something like that. Sorry, brain all heat addled, not making sense, lol.
Brad clarified that despite rumors repeated over and over by some YouTubers and fans online, no one ever set up a microphone by Michael’s feet to record him dancing. All of the footwork we hear is caught from the main microphone set up for him to sing into. Brad emphasized this by saying that while he personally would have found it really cool to do that, it’s not the kind of thing Bruce Swedian ever would have considered doing.
Pleased to hear this cos I never believed it. Just never made any sense to me. Not with Bruce in the hot seat.
 
That’s all I’m going to share for now. There were several other things about the Bad era that were shared, but honestly, this is me legitimately trying to trim it down and that’s very hard for me (obviously). If this is too much detail for people, I will try to trim down the info about Dangerous even more, but I can’t make any promises haha.
Fuck that! Trimming is for hairdressers only!
 
Last Saturday I attended Brad Sundberg’s “In the Studio with Michael Jackson” seminar in Orlando, Florida. What I experienced at this event was nothing short of magical. I know I can’t capture even a whisper of all that magic in this write up, but I thought I could share a bit from my experience so that those of you who are interested but unable to attend one of these seminars can share in some of the lesser known elements of Michael’s artistry and personality that I had the privilege of learning about. It should go without saying that if you ARE planning to attend one of these events somewhat soon, this will definitely contain "spoilers" for lack of a better term. So if you want to remain completely surprised, I would not read this. That said, even having attended the entire event, I would 100% attend again and again and again, even if I knew every story already. It was that good.

Also, before I get started, I want to preface this by saying I have only written up about half of the notes I’ve taken so far and am already at well over 5,000 words. So, I anticipate once I finish I will have at least 10,000 words of reflection. I know that is insane. So, with that said, I am only including excerpts of my notes and what I have written 1) to keep this post from being a literal novella length and 2) to not truly spoil the event for other people. If people privately ask, I may be willing to share the full write up with others once I complete it.

So, this should be considered an Abridged PART 1 of my experience -- I'll be sharing more soon!

Format:
For the first half of the day (10am-4pm) the event covered the standard “In the Studio with MJ” session. This included going through the Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory album (with the least amount on HIStory). Then, from 5pm-9pm, Brad debuted a new segment with the working title “Day in the Life of” which is meant to capture Michael’s perspective in the studio. So, in essence, this was an 11-hour day devoted entirely to Michael which, for me (and I’m sure many other fans), is a literal dream come true.

I woke up in the morning weirdly nervous. I had butterflies in my stomach and I couldn’t quite explain why. When I arrived at the studio, Brad and his team were still setting up as attendees were checking in. It was immediately apparent that this was a MICHAEL JACKSON event, because almost every person was wearing some kind of MJ clothing. There was a Captain EO shirt, MJ One shirt, a Dangerous zip up hoodie, a Bad t-shirt, a concert tee, etc. People were representing our man.

The event itself was held at a studio where Michael had recorded at some point, I believe in the 2000s. Despite asking about a thousand questions throughout the seminar, I somehow didn’t ask what he was recording there. However, it was hard not to think about the fact that this space we were in did not only at one point contain Michael himself, but also acted as witness to his brilliance. This is a thought I could get lost in if I let myself. Anyway, the room was set up so that three rows of folding chairs were formulated in almost a half-moon shape facing Brad. These folding chairs would, over the course of 11 hours, prove to get the best of several people. Brad was set up in front of the glass pane separating the artist from the studio engineers. He had a large projector and screen, a desk with computer equipment, speakers, and a microphone. As we waited for the seminar to begin, Brad was playing MJ music, primarily from Off the Wall and Invincible.

Though Brad didn’t begin working with Michael until 1986, in order to help “introduce” us to Michael and the team he worked with for years, he started with a brief discussion of Off the Wall. He told us that neither Michael or Bruce Swedien really liked to use the word “demo” for early recordings. Michael used to say “a demo is a promise and you can’t break the promise.” Meaning it represents a sound, energy, and spirit to fight for throughout the recording process. Brad then shared the “promise” for “I can’t help it.” I realize this demo was leaked online at some point, but I’m not sure if this is actually the same one that I heard. Either way, when he played it during the seminar this was the first time I had ever heard it. I was swept away. Michael’s voice was so free and angelic, with the song so unformed and unproduced that it actually made me cry.

Skipping past several funny anecdotes about Michael (I can definitely share these if people are interested), I’m going to move to the Bad album of which Brad spent a huge portion of time discussing. Here are some highlights from that:

  • Brad clarified that despite rumors repeated over and over by some YouTubers and fans online, no one ever set up a microphone by Michael’s feet to record him dancing. All of the footwork we hear is caught from the main microphone set up for him to sing into. Brad emphasized this by saying that while he personally would have found it really cool to do that, it’s not the kind of thing Bruce Swedian ever would have considered doing.
  • Just as Michael said in the Ebony Jet interview, he really did record the intro to “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You” in a bed. As a huge fan of that intro, I have always wondered how this happened. Apparently, they brought in a bed (covers and everything lol) and had Michael lay in the bed with a microphone shaped like an ear and had him whisper into it. He showed us a photo of the setup and it was adorable to imagine this whole scenario.
  • Somehow, Brad ended up talking about this intro at length. First, however, he played the intro for us at top volume and, let me tell you, listening to that intro with a room full of people was…something. I’m not going to say anything else about my own response to this, but those who know KNOW. Anyway, after he played this he told the story. Essentially, Michael wanted to release IJCSLY “for the girls” and wanted to include a spoken intro for the same reason (adorable). Except, he didn’t know exactly what to say in it. So, Bruce and some of the other guys came up with a list of possible phrases for him to recite. Brad pulled up a scan of a piece of paper dated 5/23/1987 with notes of all the possible directions Michael could go with this little introduction. This included options like “do you love me?” and “your eyes are star like” and “I was so lonely until I met you…” and a few of the phrases that end up in the intro. Brad shared that between the intro, how they recorded it, and the content of the song itself, all the guys on the production team referred to it behind the scenes as “I Just Can’t Stop Rubbing You” lol. I wasn’t clear on if Michael was a part of this joke, but Brad did admit he rarely tells groups that part.
  • One of the first great “shares” of the day was when Brad played a very early version of Smooth Criminal. What was most noticeable about this was Michael’s vocal play on the line “Annie are you ok?” Where in the final version we hear a very consistent driving style, in this early version Michael messed around with his voice, singing it in all different tones, attitudes, and moods. It was so dynamic.
  • Later Brad shared the Speed Demon demo – AMAZING. So much better than the album cut, in my opinion, because it had way more variation and funkiness to it. In this demo, Michael is heard beatboxing, singing into a megaphone, singing the synth string parts in an almost haunting way. I asked how attached Michael seemed to his own ideas. Specifically, I was interested in knowing how a demo like this might turn into a much more polished version. I wondered how often he fought for specific sounds, or ideas, to make it into the final cut of a song, or if he was just comfortable laying down whatever came to him and working from there. Brad said that Michael was very flexible, but had certain things he would fight for, with an increase in attachment over the years, which Brad saw as a good thing. Almost like a sign of his continued growth as an artist. Someone else asked if Speed Demon was really written about Michael getting a speeding ticket on the way to the studio and Brad said he’s not sure how true that is, however, Michael did get a speeding ticket and was extremely upset and embarrassed about it. Despite the fact that everyone told him it was not a big deal and everyone gets speeding tickets, Michael seemed alarmingly upset about it and almost couldn’t even talk about it.
  • Streetwalker – early version – the Bill Bottrell version. Incredibly funky. So much funkier than what ends up on Bad 25.
  • Next, he shared how during the Bad tour, Michael was dealing with a lot of racism, especially in Australia. He had a really rough time and needed to reset when he came back. This led to him discussing the rehearsals in Pensacola. According to Brad, it was during these couple of weeks that they recorded the jazzy intro of TWYMMF for the Grammys. He explained how MJ was staying on the top floor of the hotel across from where they were doing rehearsals. So, to record this intro, they took all the mattresses from multiple rooms and lined them up against the walls around Michael’s bedroom and they ran wiring and cables literally from the window of his top floor suite down to the portable studio they had in a truck below. Apparently, Michael was so happy with this take that he never wanted to edit it again. Brad said how whenever this happened, Michael would say “Bible” which meant “rock solid” or even sometimes “Bible Bible” which meant even better than rock solid. Basically, if Michael called something “Bible” it meant that he didn’t want to change a single thing about it.
  • Family Thing Demo – full demo played. Michael’s voice in the verses was pretty low, but it was rhythmic and exciting. I didn’t take many notes on this song, but I loved it.
That’s all I’m going to share for now. There were several other things about the Bad era that were shared, but honestly, this is me legitimately trying to trim it down and that’s very hard for me (obviously). If this is too much detail for people, I will try to trim down the info about Dangerous even more, but I can’t make any promises haha.

One thing I want to note:

Brad didn’t really share any behind-the-scenes video footage, either in the studio, or otherwise from the Bad era. He did however share studio footage (both Michael recording songs, producing other singers, and casually hanging out) when discussing Dangerous and HIStory, as well as in the new segment. Maybe it's because I am such a fan of the Bad era, but I found I learned more totally new stuff after

@zinniabooklover @SmoothCriminal1995 @Jesionka @filmandmusic @MacMandy90

^ I tagged specific people who mentioned to me that they would like to read my review of the seminar. If you would prefer I don't tag you OR if you are interested and would like me to tag you in the future, just let me know! I don't want to annoy anyone OR leave anyone out. Just limiting it to specific people who seemed especially interested :)
Thank you for this. I would love to read more!! Looking forward to it, with all the details :)
 
Also, before I get started, I want to preface this by saying I have only written up about half of the notes I’ve taken so far and am already at well over 5,000 words. So, I anticipate once I finish I will have at least 10,000 words of reflection. I know that is insane.
Nope, doesn't sound insane. Sounds great. We are all agog, lol.

In the immortal words of the guy from Grease:

"Tell me more, tell me more
But you don't gotta brag ... "

:D
 
I was privately going to ask to hear more, but for some reason I can't dm you.
Ooh, that's weird! I'll see if I can DM you. Either way, I will probably do so after I finish writing all my notes :)
 
PART 2 -- Review

I am really glad that so far people seem to be enjoying my review of Brad’s Orlando seminar. Like I said in my previous post, I am breaking this down into shareable parts because I am a wild animal when it comes to note taking and I went INSANE. Now I have 10,000-ish words to somehow turn into readable posts so that’s what I’m doing now. This is my second installment.

Once again, want to remind you of a few things:
  • This contains “spoilers” for the seminar, obviously. If you plan on going anytime soon, I would not read this.
  • Even if you read all of what I share, I strongly recommend you attend one of these seminars no matter how hard it is to do so lol. I forgot to mention this in my previous post but several people in attendance had attended Brad’s seminars in the past. One couple, probably in their late 50s/early 60s, had attended about fifteen of his seminars. So, clearly there is a lot to gain from these and I, personally, think they are entirely worth the money. I will be going again if the opportunity strikes.
  • I feel kind of bad sharing so much detail because I really do want people to support Brad and what he is doing. Not that I think my reviews in ANY way stack up against attending, I guess I just want to reiterate how fond I am of Brad after this entire event and how much I hope fans continue to support what he is doing.
Ok, that’s all. Let’s get into it!

My previous post covered large parts of what Brad shared regarding the Bad album, or “the project,” as the team referred to it back then and that Brad seems to prefer doing even to this day. Something I forgot to mention is that before each “era” was covered, Brad introduced us to the “world” that era came out of with a short video. This video would include a quick rundown of the major fads, news stories, images, etc. of that year, ending on the Billboard top 10, so that we could get a reminder of what the music scene was like around the time of the album’s production. Pretty cool.

Some highlights of the Dangerous album/era portion of the day:
  • Starting with a personal anecdote about Michael, Brad shared a photo of the two of them sitting at a table together playing Jenga. Apparently, Michael was extremely competitive and one time when he lost a game he completely freaked out. As Brad said, he was “screaming in his pink socks” and Brad was kind of shocked (and amused). I found this story so delightful because it’s something that makes total sense for Michael (given his perfectionist nature) but is not something I ever would have expected.
  • Stripped down (acoustic?) version of In the Closet – honestly, I cannot for the life of me remember why we listened to this. It’s not something we talked about a lot, so it may have been sort of a “transitional” song into the overall discussion of the album. But wow. This was not a YouTube style stripped down mix either, but felt like a very real version of the song that could have easily been released. But, again, like the IJCSLY intro, listening to this song stripped down, at max volume, on top quality speakers, in a room full of people was something. If you know me at all beyond these posts, you know I was dying inside. I had so many questions I wanted to ask (such as wtf was going on in the recording of this song?!) but I was too affected by the whole experience and trying so hard to stay quiet and relaxed and sane that I didn’t ask anything. But good lord. Those adlibs on a massive speaker system radiating out into a crowd of people…that was something altogether mad.
  • Michael and Bruce Swedien “comping” Jam – earlier this summer, Brad shared a very brief clip (about 20 seconds or so) online of Michael and Bruce Swedien working in the studio, going through various takes of Jam. It’s cool content, right? Well, in this seminar Brad shared about five full minutes of this process and honestly wow. It was incredible. For one, it was completely adorable. Michael and Bruce are totally immersed in their work, patiently listening to each take of “go with it, go with it JAM” and ranking them for which ones they thought worked the best. Tedious work, but according to Brad, these two were the best ever at it. As they are doing this, Brad starts filming. He’s walking between them, circling around them, getting in their face, stepping back, you name it. Immediately upon noticing the camera, the two of them start to fix themselves – sit up straighter, touch their hair, adjust their clothing. Both self-conscious, but also kind of delighted. Michael, especially, seemed shy, sipping constantly on tea, fiddling with his pencil, whereas Bruce would twirl his moustache and make jokes. However, despite his shyness, I can honestly say that (at this point) this was the most real and relaxed I have ever seen Michael look in any footage. He was completely at ease in this environment. But really, this was the theme of all the footage in the entire seminar. Michael being himself, truly comfortable with people he unequivocally trusted. It is hard to even describe it, but I felt like this was the first of many times throughout the day that my eyes were sort of opened to who Michael really was as a person, and the high of that was truly astonishing.
    We all know Michael was a multi-faceted person. And I don’t want to speak for anyone else with this particular reflection, but sometimes I have struggled to understand how one person could be so many different things. For example, we hear about Michael being this childlike, excitable person full of wonder, who loved Disney characters and water balloon fights, etc. But then we (especially many of the women of us lol) also see this other side of him – the dynamically sensual, “sex symbol” of a performer side. I have spent time in enough fan spaces to know that a lot of fans struggle to see him in both lights simultaneously, with some fans living in massive denial of his sexuality and inherent masculinity, while other fans might overly sexualize him to the point of not seeing him as a full person. I was always somewhere in the middle. Though in theory I could hold both of these truths about him at once, I always sort of wondered how in the world those seemingly oppositional sides of a person could fit into one embodiment of a man without feeling…unnatural? I bring all of this to light because I can honestly tell you this footage in the studio, this was the first time I felt like I actually got it. I could really see him as a full person, when before I only really thought of him as one. Does that make sense? I don’t even think I realized how much I struggled still with that until this footage, actually. But in watching Michael in these moments, I feel like it finally all made sense to me. This footage was Michael just living his life, in the studio, being himself, not trying to impress anyone, not worrying about his image, not holding back in any way beyond the normal way we all kind of hold back when someone suddenly starts taking video of us. I don’t want to over-emphasize this part for the men reading (and those who just don’t see Michael this way) but God, he was just totally sexy. Just completely relaxed, completely comfortable. The way he embodied himself was magnetic. He made all kinds of facial expressions to the camera, funny, sexy smirks, along with little moments of authentic shyness. At one point he was sipping tea and didn’t seem to realize the camera was there. He glanced up, rolled his eyes all embarrassed, and smiled so small, like he had just realized he was being watched, or had completely forgotten anyone was there. I also noticed his voice was different. Just a little bit deeper, but so much more relaxed. He had more of an accent, spoke with more swing. While the point of the clip was surely to show us how detail-oriented both Bruce and Michael were, what it did for me was remind me of just how much of a man Michael really was. Yes, he was soft-spoken, unique, not like any other men. But he was also tremendously sexy in every movement because it all was so fluid. He moved and existed so easily in this footage. I really was overwhelmed by it. I can’t express enough how exciting it was to see him in this light. And I apologize for the very verbose reflection on this moment (which, in my effort to trim down, I actually ended up tripling in length lol). I know a lot of people reading may not care about this side of Michael and probably wouldn’t be watching that kind of footage through the same lens as I was (i.e. overflowing attraction haha) but…listen…this is my reflection and I can only trim so much of myself out of it 😂
  • Alternative/demo version of “Someone Put Your Hand Out” – This one was shocking. It felt 100% different from what I’m used to hearing. I mean, Brad even introduced it to us with an “any idea what this song is?” trivia question. There was a ton of beat-boxing, so much funkiness and personality. It just felt so uncontained. To be honest, I preferred this version to the one that we have and it made me wonder why Michael always wanted to polish his work to such a degree. The funky spontaneity of this one was very exciting to me and I noticed that to be a common characteristic in a lot of the unreleased stuff that Brad shared. As much as I love everything about Dangerous, this kind of made me ache for another version of the album.
  • Next, we listened to a demo of Black or White that was made with Bill Botrell and had a very clear Southern Rock influence. It sounded like a true rock song and it was absolutely incredible. Brad played a clip of a conversation with Bill Bottrell in which Bill shared a story about Michael. In this clip, he explained that he and Michael used to hang out a lot and one time, during the Dangerous recordings, they hung out at Neverland for a day and ended the evening watching movies. Michael suggested To Kill a Mockingbird, but didn’t explain why and didn’t really discuss it. Bill said it became clear to him why he did this only a few years later when it occurred to him that Michael had strategically shown this to him during the recording of Black or White because he wanted Bill to understand the racial tension he was trying to explore in the song.
  • On the subject of Black or White, Brad shared how strange it was to watch the premiere of the video along with the rest of the world. He said it was hard for him sometimes to wrap his head around the fact that this person he knew and worked with all the time was the same person who was this gigantic superstar. So, I asked a question I have always been curious to know the answer to when it comes to any person who has a close working relationship with a mega talent like Michael. I said that for so many fans we are envious of Brad’s relationship with Michael – the fact that he watched him record most of his songs, that he could see his artistry up close, that he could spend time with him, working with him at home and in the studio, etc. But with this, I can’t help but wonder if he is ever envious of us, the fans, who are able to experience the pure magic of Michael as an artist, whose music is so important to us and so quintessential to the cultural fabric, without it being colored by a personal relationship to Michael. When I asked this question, he sat back and got quite emotional. He actually choked up quite a bit and said that he didn’t feel like he could fully answer that question without falling apart. But he did share that he has a hard time listening to Michael at all and really can barely do it outside of seminars. He even said that if he’s in public and he hears it playing somewhere, he sometimes has to leave because he can’t handle hearing Michael’s music in that context. It’s too painful and too close to his heart. He did however say that whenever he gets in a really bad head space, or is really struggling, he finds that if he sequesters himself and listens to Michael, specifically the version of “someone put your hand out” that he played for us, he can find peace again.
  • Later Brad shared the story of how Give into Me came into existence. Now, recently I discovered a clip of this early demo that was leaked from one of his seminars a couple years ago. So I sort of knew (or thought I knew) what this was all about. I was wrong. Here’s the story: One day, Brad and Bill Bottrell were just hanging out in the studio and Michael showed up. He said Michael seemed to be in kind of a weird mood, perhaps a little sad, maybe a bit contemplative, but very talkative otherwise. He started asking them questions about their childhoods, their lives in general, memories from normal life, etc. Somehow it evolved into a discussion about music. He asked what kind of music they were listening to recently and if they would play him their current favorite songs. I can’t remember if this is something I cut out from the Bad portion I posted the other day, but Brad told us more than once that Michael really did not listen to contemporary music. He barely knew what was going on out there. Though he loved all kinds of music, he was really consumed with the music he most connected to (Motown, classical, older stuff, etc.) and so Michael really didn’t have a pulse on what was happening in the current landscape. So when Michael asked about their favorite music at the moment, Brad and Bill started sharing ACDC, Def Leopard, etc. Music Michael wasn’t very familiar with, but was quickly very into. After a while Bill started playing around on guitar and Michael started ad-libbing lyrics and melodies. They recorded it and this whole session is what Brad played for us. Nothing I am going to say can capture what this was like, but this session was incredible! Not only does it contain the bones of how Give Into Me was birthed into reality, but there are also little bits of conversation between Michael and the guys. They are talking about technology in music, certain sounds they like, etc. Just casual conversation among friends and colleagues. But what was, of course, the most incredible was the evolution of how this song was formed. It started out with Bill just messing around on guitar and Michael singing kind of gibberish words. Humming, beat boxing a little, and just vocalizing possible melodies. He sang out some lyrics, off-the-cuff, including segments of the chorus we now know. Though he was chewing gum during a portion of this singing (which honestly was kind of charming to hear simply because it emphasized just how casual this entire moment was), he was also singing these high gorgeous notes, truly stunning, and just very much creating the entire song on the spot. We listened to about a five-minute clip which was spliced together from what I believe was about a thirty-minute songwriting process to form Give Into Me. I got chills many times and felt it in my soul. That’s not an exaggeration. It felt like actual magic being birthed into the world. Toward the end of this unbelievable session, we had this incredibly endearing moment when we can hear, after some mind-blowing musical magic, Michael’s little voice go, “Something like that.” This became a joke the rest of the day anytime Michael did something both off-the-cuff and incredibly brilliant, without seeming to realize how special it was to everyone else around him. We made that joke a lot.
I still have SO much more to share about Dangerous, but I need time to work on those parts and I am traveling right now, so it is tough. I’m going to share this bit for now. I actually chose not to trim quite as much out this time and, like I said above, I ended up actually lengthening sections. I am an emotional fool and I have a lot of feelings and it can’t be helped.

I’ll share more soon! 😊
 
Nope, doesn't sound insane. Sounds great. We are all agog, lol.
THANK GOG ...

^ I'm horrible. Ignore me forever.

In the immortal words of the guy from Grease:

"Tell me more, tell me more
But you don't gotta brag ... "

:D
It's the finest line between immersing others in the experience and being obnoxious. I realize this and it's the struggle lol.
 
Thank you, I wish it was longer especially when you refer to the southern rock sound of BoW and the stripped version of in the closet. You know for me it is all about music 🤣
What instruments were used for the stripped version, was it a different vocal take than what we got on the album?
How different was the more rocky version of BoW and was this a different take or the same as on the album?

There is so much alternative takes for us to discover and it pleases me a lot.
I am never ever jealous in life but today this changed because I am jealous about what you experienced!
 
Thank you, I wish it was longer especially when you refer to the southern rock sound of BoW and the stripped version of in the closet. You know for me it is all about music 🤣
I totally understand! Honestly, the challenge was trying to write notes while also listening and taking it all in during the seminar itself. It's easier for me to expand on my feelings about these moments, rather than give technical detail because I didn't write as much down as I wanted to (though I did take 17 pages of notes haha). I also asked a ton of questions, but most of my questions were related to Michael's feelings about his work, his work process, Brad's feelings, everyone's feelings. Notice a theme? lol

What instruments were used for the stripped version, was it a different vocal take than what we got on the album?
How different was the more rocky version of BoW and was this a different take or the same as on the album?
The vocal take sounded similar, so I can't really answer for sure, though I believe it was another take because the song sounded severely different to me. But the sound was truly transformed. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the album version we got. But this southern rock style would have given Michael a different kind of musical credibility (not that he needed it). It felt bluesy, so much more raw. Genuinely didn't sound much like a pop song, whereas the album version does to me. The guitar was more pronounced, I know that for sure. It felt like Michael Jackson meets Lynyrd Skynyrd, which is not something I ever thought I'd say.

There is so much alternative takes for us to discover and it pleases me a lot.
I am never ever jealous in life but today this changed because I am jealous about what you experienced!
well, he is having a seminar in Paris in September! if you can go you definitely should :)
 
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