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This sounds really cool, I hope to hear it one day. Thank you for posting some people who haven't been. Apologies about the double post
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Hot topic Brad Sundberg Seminars: Making Music With Michael Jackson
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This sounds really cool, I hope to hear it one day. Thank you for posting some people who haven't been. Apologies about the double post
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Interesting! Anyone know what song this is?
There was another song I heard, a really sexual, dance r and b song, very different kind of style for Michael but absolutly BRILLIANT, could be a hit today no problem, totally complete, didnt get a title though
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Brad asked people not to speak on forums about unreleased songs and such.
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Brad asked people not to speak on forums about unreleased songs and such.
Oops, I'll remove í ½í¸Ž
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Posted by Brad Sundberg on “The Michael Jackson Archives”;
During the whole project Matt Forger was creating interludes and sound effects on a big digital sampling console that I think was provided by lexicon. Michael liked abrupt endings and sfx, rather than fade -outs.
The B/W intro features Bill Bottrell pounding on the door, and (I believe) his real son answering. Bill had mixed feelings about doing it because he said he would never actually yell at his son like that.
If you're curious about hearing the story first hand, you might want to join us in June in LA because both Bill Bottrell and Matt Forger will be joining me In The Studio. More details to come in the next day or so, but you heard it here first, LOL.
Also, Brad posted this;
“After Thriller and before Bad there were the Hayvenhurst Sessions. Los Angeles June 2018”
During the whole project Matt Forger was creating interludes and sound effects on a big digital sampling console that I think was provided by lexicon. Michael liked abrupt endings and sfx, rather than fade -outs.
The B/W intro features Bill Bottrell pounding on the door, and (I believe) his real son answering. Bill had mixed feelings about doing it because he said he would never actually yell at his son like that.
If you're curious about hearing the story first hand, you might want to join us in June in LA because both Bill Bottrell and Matt Forger will be joining me In The Studio. More details to come in the next day or so, but you heard it here first, LOL.
Also, Brad posted this;
“After Thriller and before Bad there were the Hayvenhurst Sessions. Los Angeles June 2018”
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Cprep20;4221798 said:Also, Brad posted this;
“After Thriller and before Bad there were the Hayvenhurst Sessions. Los Angeles June 2018”
This is so intriguing. Great job Brad, that's really peaked my interest
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SmoothCriminal1995;4221854 said:This is so intriguing. Great job Brad, that's really peaked my interest
Same here. That time period always caught my interest. Bad is my favorite album and I’ve always wanted to hear about the Post Thriller Pre Bad sessions. Supposedly a lot of material was created and recorded and a vast majority of the songs that were on the Bad album were created at Hayvenhurst.
Streetwalker
Scared Of The Moon
We Are The World
Fly Away
Groove Of Midnight
Abortion Papers
Free
I’m So Blue
Price Of Fame
Don’t Be Messin Round
Loving You
Earth Song
Al Capone
We Are Here To Change The World
Cheater
I’m sure all these weren’t recorded at Michael’s Home but I’d love to hear Brad, Bill, Matt and possibly John talk about these songs.
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Latest from Brad:
OK - I have some news.
The LA events (June 22/23/24) are in the final planning stages. I can finally officially announce that the one and only Bill Bottrell will be joining us on Saturday, June23rd! If you know anything about Bill, this will be a rare treat! Bill and I have not seen each since 1994, and my plan is to not script or plan anything. Bill and Michael had a very special working relationship and friendship, and you don't want to miss this.
John Barnes and Matt Forger and also scheduled to join us that weekend - and of course Brian Vibberts will likely be there!
Day One (Friday, June 22) we are planning to dig into Captain EO and the Tour of Neverland. After that, I thinking of doing something a bit different with the Remix, where we might actually build a mix and go into detail how it is done.
Day Two (Saturday, June 23) will likely be called "The Havenhurst Sessions", where Bill, John and Matt will talk about the early days at Havenhurst, leading into the Bad and Dangerous albums. Lots and lots of ground to cover.
Day Three (Sunday, June 24) I will present "In The Studio With MJ - 2018". The show has been significantly reworked this year, so even if you have seen it before, there are several new segments along with many of my personal favorites.
We booked into Cascade Studios in Hollywood, and seats are very limited.
We will start the bigger promotional push very soon on FB, Twitter, Instagram, etc., but I wanted to let you know what is coming first.
So... Will You Be There?
OK - I have some news.
The LA events (June 22/23/24) are in the final planning stages. I can finally officially announce that the one and only Bill Bottrell will be joining us on Saturday, June23rd! If you know anything about Bill, this will be a rare treat! Bill and I have not seen each since 1994, and my plan is to not script or plan anything. Bill and Michael had a very special working relationship and friendship, and you don't want to miss this.
John Barnes and Matt Forger and also scheduled to join us that weekend - and of course Brian Vibberts will likely be there!
Day One (Friday, June 22) we are planning to dig into Captain EO and the Tour of Neverland. After that, I thinking of doing something a bit different with the Remix, where we might actually build a mix and go into detail how it is done.
Day Two (Saturday, June 23) will likely be called "The Havenhurst Sessions", where Bill, John and Matt will talk about the early days at Havenhurst, leading into the Bad and Dangerous albums. Lots and lots of ground to cover.
Day Three (Sunday, June 24) I will present "In The Studio With MJ - 2018". The show has been significantly reworked this year, so even if you have seen it before, there are several new segments along with many of my personal favorites.
We booked into Cascade Studios in Hollywood, and seats are very limited.
We will start the bigger promotional push very soon on FB, Twitter, Instagram, etc., but I wanted to let you know what is coming first.
So... Will You Be There?
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I would love to quiz Bill. So jealous of the people who will attend this one.
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I was just going to post this! This particular three day seminar looks totally amazing. What a wonderful thing for fans to do, to be close to Michael in June.
If anyone is going to be in Los Angeles for "MJ Week", this literally is the best thing you can do, to honour Michael. You will be totally immersed in his music, up close and personal with wonderful, knowledgeable men who worked closely with him for many, many years and surrounded by fans who think and feel the same things that you do. It's not even sad......it's completely inspiring and uplifting.
If anyone is going to be in Los Angeles for "MJ Week", this literally is the best thing you can do, to honour Michael. You will be totally immersed in his music, up close and personal with wonderful, knowledgeable men who worked closely with him for many, many years and surrounded by fans who think and feel the same things that you do. It's not even sad......it's completely inspiring and uplifting.
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Latest from Brad re. LA event next weekend (22 - 24 June 18):
In The Studio With Michael Jackson
Give In To Me
The Dangerous project had three production teams: Bruce, Bill and Teddy.
Let me break it down a bit further.
The project started with Brian Loren, who was both extremely talented and a really nice guy. (This is the no-judgement zone.) Brian was replaced by Teddy Riley during the early months.
Bruce Swedien goes WAY back with Michael - back to the Wiz to be specific. There is no doubt a father-figure persona with Bruce. He, in no small way, was part of how pop and rock records sound. He pushed the limits of recording technology, worked with tape manufactures to get more interesting sounding tapes, he helped design the layouts of many studios. Oh - and he recorded and mixed a little record called Thriller. Bruce commands respect in a session.
So along comes Bill Bottrell. Bill and Michael had a very unique and cool friendship. Bill is high-quality, but more of a "capture the moment" approach. He is much closer to Michael in age, and the two of them created some amazing music together.
Black or White.
Who Is It.
Monkey Business.
And of course - Give In To Me.
During the Dangerous project Bruce was working on the song Jam. Jam got bigger and bigger, and the mix was incredibly complex. Stay with me on this for a minute: You know when you see pictures of studios and the giant consoles? Those can handle perhaps 80 or so tracks each. (There are many tricks to increase that number, but I don't want to get to technical). Jam grew to the point where Bruce needed two consoles - in two side-by-side studios, just to mix it! We had at least four digital multitracks running in sync, feeding into two consoles - with Bruce and the assistants running up and down the hallway to mix this monster. (To my recording friends - yes, there were other methods we could have used to combine tracks, build stems, etc., - but it got to the point of, "why not?").
Bill, on the other hand, perhaps by design kept his track-count down quite a bit. He wanted to have just enough musical elements to make the song sound great, without going over-the-top.
Here's the thing - I appreciate both approaches. I love the lush, over-the-top production of Bruce's production on Will You Be There, but I also love the simplicity of Bill's song Give In To Me.
Give In To Me was born in the studio control room, in one evening.
Bill was noodling around on his drum machine and strumming his guitar, and Michael wanted to record a new song. I helped with much of the recording, while Bill and Michael kicked ideas back and forth.
Bill played, Michael sang.
Michael would come up with an idea, Bill would try it.
Over the course of the evening Give In To Me was created.
Now, I have told the full, detailed story of the song in many cities, to many groups. But this coming weekend you will have a chance to hear it for yourself, from Bill.
We will dig deep into the track, listen to how it came to life - and hear Bill's thoughts from that day.
A lot happened during and after that project.
A lot happened between Michael and Bill.
A lot happened between Bill and the music industry.
And something happened between Bill and I, which caused a painful falling out.
A lot of years have passed, and I am honored - truly honored - that Bill has agreed to join us next weekend at Cascade Studios.
I haven't spoken to Bill - outside of a few emails - since 1994, when we testified on Michael's behalf in a songwriting trial.
This will be real. It will be unrehearsed. There is no Google Map for this.
I take these events very seriously. I occasionally stick my foot in my mouth, or slip up on a date or song-title, but the core intent of sharing these memories with you is pure.
I wasn't a big shot - I looked up to these guys! They were my mentors, and I was and am proud to call them my friends. And they will be with us next weekend.
Matt Forger
Bill Bottrell
John Barnes
I was blessed, truly blessed, to be at the right place at the exact right time and meet them, work with them, laugh with them, befriend them.
We're older now. Lots of years, lots of events, lots of pain, lots of successes, lots of failures. Just like you.
It's funny, for lack of a better word. I've been laying low on FB for a couple weeks because I don't really know what to say. I'm a bit nervous and a bit excited about this one. This is, in many ways, the event I have wished for the most - and now it's here. (What have I done??!! LOL) I'll be seeing Bill for the first time in more than 20 years.
I have heard from several people, "I hope you can do this again next year!! You guys should all come to (town name)!" Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, though I wish it were that easy.
If you are going to be in LA next weekend, the ninth anniversary of the passing an in incredible and uniquely talented man by the name of Michael Jackson, I would highly encourage you to consider joining us at Cascade Studios.
On Friday I will be joined by Matt Forger - one of the sweetest guys on the planet - to discuss Captain EO (when I first met Michael), Thriller, Bad - and Matt's unique perspective of their close working relationship. After that we will dig into The Extended Remix and go into much greater detail how a song is mixed. Lastly, I will take you on a virtual tour of Michael's amazing Neverland Valley Ranch! My buddy Al Scanlan might pop in for a bit to share some memories of his years at Neverland.
On Saturday - brace yourself - we will dig into the Havenhurst Sessions with Bill Bottrell, Matt Forger and the incredible John Barnes. These are THE guys! They recorded MOST of the Bad album before the project even started at Westlake. What changed? What songs didn't make it? Why? Find out on Saturday.
Sunday will be my latest presentation of "In The Studio With MJ - 2018". I will take you through the albums Bad, Dangerous and HIStory - from my perspective. How were they recorded? How were the songs written? What was daily life like in the studio?
I have a feeling we'll have a few other friends stop by - it's LA!
Tickets are on sale - please share this post in your groups and to fans who are looking for a place to get as close to Michael's music as possible - which of course is In The Studio.
See you next weekend!
www.inthestudiowithmj.com
In The Studio With Michael Jackson
Give In To Me
The Dangerous project had three production teams: Bruce, Bill and Teddy.
Let me break it down a bit further.
The project started with Brian Loren, who was both extremely talented and a really nice guy. (This is the no-judgement zone.) Brian was replaced by Teddy Riley during the early months.
Bruce Swedien goes WAY back with Michael - back to the Wiz to be specific. There is no doubt a father-figure persona with Bruce. He, in no small way, was part of how pop and rock records sound. He pushed the limits of recording technology, worked with tape manufactures to get more interesting sounding tapes, he helped design the layouts of many studios. Oh - and he recorded and mixed a little record called Thriller. Bruce commands respect in a session.
So along comes Bill Bottrell. Bill and Michael had a very unique and cool friendship. Bill is high-quality, but more of a "capture the moment" approach. He is much closer to Michael in age, and the two of them created some amazing music together.
Black or White.
Who Is It.
Monkey Business.
And of course - Give In To Me.
During the Dangerous project Bruce was working on the song Jam. Jam got bigger and bigger, and the mix was incredibly complex. Stay with me on this for a minute: You know when you see pictures of studios and the giant consoles? Those can handle perhaps 80 or so tracks each. (There are many tricks to increase that number, but I don't want to get to technical). Jam grew to the point where Bruce needed two consoles - in two side-by-side studios, just to mix it! We had at least four digital multitracks running in sync, feeding into two consoles - with Bruce and the assistants running up and down the hallway to mix this monster. (To my recording friends - yes, there were other methods we could have used to combine tracks, build stems, etc., - but it got to the point of, "why not?").
Bill, on the other hand, perhaps by design kept his track-count down quite a bit. He wanted to have just enough musical elements to make the song sound great, without going over-the-top.
Here's the thing - I appreciate both approaches. I love the lush, over-the-top production of Bruce's production on Will You Be There, but I also love the simplicity of Bill's song Give In To Me.
Give In To Me was born in the studio control room, in one evening.
Bill was noodling around on his drum machine and strumming his guitar, and Michael wanted to record a new song. I helped with much of the recording, while Bill and Michael kicked ideas back and forth.
Bill played, Michael sang.
Michael would come up with an idea, Bill would try it.
Over the course of the evening Give In To Me was created.
Now, I have told the full, detailed story of the song in many cities, to many groups. But this coming weekend you will have a chance to hear it for yourself, from Bill.
We will dig deep into the track, listen to how it came to life - and hear Bill's thoughts from that day.
A lot happened during and after that project.
A lot happened between Michael and Bill.
A lot happened between Bill and the music industry.
And something happened between Bill and I, which caused a painful falling out.
A lot of years have passed, and I am honored - truly honored - that Bill has agreed to join us next weekend at Cascade Studios.
I haven't spoken to Bill - outside of a few emails - since 1994, when we testified on Michael's behalf in a songwriting trial.
This will be real. It will be unrehearsed. There is no Google Map for this.
I take these events very seriously. I occasionally stick my foot in my mouth, or slip up on a date or song-title, but the core intent of sharing these memories with you is pure.
I wasn't a big shot - I looked up to these guys! They were my mentors, and I was and am proud to call them my friends. And they will be with us next weekend.
Matt Forger
Bill Bottrell
John Barnes
I was blessed, truly blessed, to be at the right place at the exact right time and meet them, work with them, laugh with them, befriend them.
We're older now. Lots of years, lots of events, lots of pain, lots of successes, lots of failures. Just like you.
It's funny, for lack of a better word. I've been laying low on FB for a couple weeks because I don't really know what to say. I'm a bit nervous and a bit excited about this one. This is, in many ways, the event I have wished for the most - and now it's here. (What have I done??!! LOL) I'll be seeing Bill for the first time in more than 20 years.
I have heard from several people, "I hope you can do this again next year!! You guys should all come to (town name)!" Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, though I wish it were that easy.
If you are going to be in LA next weekend, the ninth anniversary of the passing an in incredible and uniquely talented man by the name of Michael Jackson, I would highly encourage you to consider joining us at Cascade Studios.
On Friday I will be joined by Matt Forger - one of the sweetest guys on the planet - to discuss Captain EO (when I first met Michael), Thriller, Bad - and Matt's unique perspective of their close working relationship. After that we will dig into The Extended Remix and go into much greater detail how a song is mixed. Lastly, I will take you on a virtual tour of Michael's amazing Neverland Valley Ranch! My buddy Al Scanlan might pop in for a bit to share some memories of his years at Neverland.
On Saturday - brace yourself - we will dig into the Havenhurst Sessions with Bill Bottrell, Matt Forger and the incredible John Barnes. These are THE guys! They recorded MOST of the Bad album before the project even started at Westlake. What changed? What songs didn't make it? Why? Find out on Saturday.
Sunday will be my latest presentation of "In The Studio With MJ - 2018". I will take you through the albums Bad, Dangerous and HIStory - from my perspective. How were they recorded? How were the songs written? What was daily life like in the studio?
I have a feeling we'll have a few other friends stop by - it's LA!
Tickets are on sale - please share this post in your groups and to fans who are looking for a place to get as close to Michael's music as possible - which of course is In The Studio.
See you next weekend!
www.inthestudiowithmj.com
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hello <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LosAngeles?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LosAngeles</a> - one day left til we kick off 3 DAYS OF CELEBRATING MICHAEL JACKSON. Tickets still available to most sessions. <a href="https://t.co/3z8QRQHWlN">pic.twitter.com/3z8QRQHWlN</a></p>— Brad Sundberg (@InStudioWithMJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/InStudioWithMJ/status/1009867819230490624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. Juni 2018</a></blockquote>
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I'd love to hear more about this event! Can only imagine what was said/heard!
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Doesn't he tell people not to talk about it on forums?
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Doesn't he tell people not to talk about it on forums?
No, he just asks we not talk about unreleased music
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I will be there tomorrow! Can't wait!
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Amsterdam event was great! Many interesting audio and stories about Neverland as well í ½í± Happy guy here í ½í¸€
Nice to have met you there Irving!
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Seems like Russia is gonna have a great 3-day event! Brad Sundberg and team will celebrate MJ's 60th anniversary with the guests of his seminars in Moscow on August 31st!
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I haven't paid very close attention to Brad's page but yes, I did see that that was announced a while back. So sorry that you appear to have missed this. Didn't you receive an email about it?I just read about it on facebook, is it true that the seminars in Germany are postponed for November? Because I am on my way to Frankfurt right now.