Oh wow, I am extremely grateful to all of you who replied - emotions are so polarized that I expected some sort of public lynching, and that didn’t happen and thank you so much. I have given posting here a lot of thought, because this is Michael’s home and people here have supported him and loved him through it all.
Mikky Dee;4248771 said:
Please do some reading about Wade Robson's lies and his inconsistent, messed up timeline.
As a survivor of abuse, you shouldn't feel obligated to believe every accusation other people make regarding abuse. You are not beholden to automatically believe them, or take their claims at face value. It's not a club that you're either in or out of. Every case should be examined on its own merits.
I know that every case is different; it just so happened that I read about his story at a time when I realized the same thing about my own abuse.
Erandi;4248797 said:
I am sorry to hear that you were a victim of abuse, but what you are stating contradicts itself, in that, if you are a victim of abuse, you become an abuser yourself. Are you also an abuser now?! Do you see where this logic goes?
Also...please, read all of the facts, court documents, everything that`s out there on this case (don`t tell me you already have, becuase I won`t believe that. it`s a lot to read, but, if you are willing to lose 4hr of your life with garbage like LN, you should be able to read these as well. no excuse!). You will see the lies, contradictions, inconsistencies. And it`s all for hundreds of millions of dollars, that`s the point!
Please, watch this video. You will see here the lenghts people go in order to frame Michael (a kid who had never met Michael, never went to Neverland, etc. could lie very convincingly, go into every sordid detail, describe MJ`s body, describe Neverland and ohter employees):
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Thank you for your kind words. After a lot of reading about the human psyche (I was trying to figure out what was wrong with me), I now know that the victim of childhood abuse goes on to become either an adult victim or an abuser, if that abuse is not healed, usually in therapy.
My opinion is that the inconsistencies can be explained by the fact that the victims were very young. I am an obsessive type of fan, I have read everything about everything concerning Michael, from his memoir to Shana’s book, anecdotes, the depositions in the cases, almost everything. I got to a point where I could tell if a certain story was fabricated or if it was the truth.
About the video, was not Diane Dimond demonized by fans? She was (is) the enemy; so the fact that she investigated this false claim, in my opinion, goes to show that she wrote everything in good faith. There’s no question that Michael was an easy target, because this type of abuse is very hard to prove; like harassment, it’s usually a case of “he said, she said”.
DDam;4249344 said:
I am a Michael fan, I'm a victim of csa, I don't find wade credible, I don't understand how people find wade more credible than james. there's a lot of info and stuff that goes against Wade. If I had to believe either of them it'd be James, not because of the sexual things he says happened between he and mj, because no I can't believe that about mj, I can't wrap my head around it. But to me he is the more credible one for various reasons.
I didn’t say that I find Wade more credible than James, I didn’t even know James’s story before the documentary, except one little tidbit I have read somewhere about someone being quoted saying that “he was not well in the head after Michael had dumped him”, something of that sort. My heart broke for him after seeing him in the documentary.
It seems to me that, even though the mo is the same, these are all different stories; James was emotionally abused more than the others; Wade has is a different type of personality, as did Jordie; Jordie stated at one point that he wasn’t starstruck, and the more time passed, the more Michael seemed like a real person to him. Wade was not pursued, his mom pursued Michael; and if one were to believe victor gutierrez book, she knew about the abuse, but she was arrogant enough to think that her son was somehow exempted.
About the lying: this isn’t a quick buck, as some fans put it. The shame that comes with admitting such an abuse is huge. I admit that money can and always will be a reason for false allegations of these sort; but to think that someone willingly would put their family though such pain and devastation, even for hundreds of millions of dollars, is unthinkable.
These are real people; with joys and sorrows, connected to their familes, just like you and me. I don’t think that there is even one person reading this who would cut all contact with their mother for ten years, if they didn’t consider they have been seriously wronged by her; even for 20m dollars, would you do that? June Chandler testified to that, in 2005. Are they all sociopaths, there were four sociopaths in Michael’s life, living in families of sociopaths, and they all set out to destroy him? This is not believable, in my opinion.
I am closer to Jimmy in my path to recovery; I think that true healing will come when I will be able to reconcile the image of Michael as we all knew him, the Michael who I loved - with the image that these two kids brought to life in this documentary.
