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About Rowe saying anyone can do what MJ was doing in the rehearsal footage.

No one can do what mike did, that is blindly obvious

Well no michael was obviously not giving it everything in these or any of his rehersals in the pas (as no great performer does, they mark it all out)althought there were moments in dangerous rehersals, bad and in that short clip of michael stepping it up and going to that higher level closes to live time..

This is all in respone to the people that say ''yes he would have given it much more on stage, than rehersals''' but he will be slower and there will be noticeable differences to past shows..that is a given

This clip did indicate how the overall show would go I think.It would be like James Brown at 50 and i am sure mike learnt all this, maybe from him in regards to changing your focus and agenda on stage at a different age or decade perhaps..

If you look at every great performer,song n dance, they all adapt their performance as the years go on and the dance aspect etc diminishes(maybe not the voice).They manage to still obtain that form and that level of excellence but at the same time compensate other things to make it all appear as previous decades...It's such a difficult thing thing to doa and explain really, and imo james brown has been at the forefont of how to do it..sammy davis still adapted over the years and kept it all there but his world and time was singing mainly , tapping segments and maybe other things that weren't too taxing, i e impressions..I always go on about james brown and the many connections he had with mj and it goes deeep...so he has to be brought into the mix on this 1...if you don't know about james brown on a certain level you not a proper fan of mike as a performer/musician ..the list goes on.thatjust my opinion...king heroin n the boss peeps, educate yourself if you don't know about other levels of james brown lol

James brown took that adaptation to another level and applied it into his 70's and exceptionally well,His mc used to say to the audience in his later years ''you won't get it all , but you'll get a portion of it''...that really explains part of jb and mj's philosophy of performing.He also said on the jonathan ross show in refernce to his dancing something along the lnes of being being blind and not knowing where he was going, hitting the wall..but as i got older i saw and knew where i was going''..a strange analogy but it really sums it up as good as anything really...... You are more aware of limitations and also of your body , mind and one's self and your capabilities as through the years your nuture and evolve and understand yourself as a as a dancer /performer and become older and wiser as a person.When you are young, you just have all this energy to burn here there and everywhere and may be alot of things better, but one difference is the wise owl of a performer.it would be more about precision of moves and conserving energy whilst giving bursts of what he has always done at certain times, at the same speed etc.

In your 50's is when i think it is the last age range to pull it off and of a song or dance man to reminise the hay days.....James brown did his last fully full glimpses of his prime in his 50's imo, i mean for one he did the last splits around that time and the knee dives....but he had more soul in a way after that and some of those on concerts were as good as any because he had thing he never had before...after this tour,,, mike would have still given as good as any time one off performances..but this was 100 percent his last tour...because he gave so much more on stage than his teacher, he had a luxury of a long breks in between tours but also he had it worse, for example more intensity to the body and mind simply because of him stepping it all up a level...so this would have definatelly been his last tour, he knew that because of the legacy of performances on stage and how it awould all compare.he compares alot to his hey day , thriller i reckon..not just his music albums..A michael jackson concert/ tour wouldn't work in his 60's..ya''ll know that right

As these masters got older as dancerss n performer,they realised it won't be the same level as before...bad was hyper in all senses, dangerous was too but there was a little bit more adaptation and compensation..not a whole lot,..history there were more compensations that were more obvious and more numerous...
tii would have been on that sort of level with some more adpations and changes to reflect the man and capabilitites in order for him to give a 'michael jackson concert'...
 
I dont get this.. When Michael rehearsed with his full energy like he did during his performances?! I think never. It was all mainly learning the coreography and more ideas. Theres no need or any reason to 'practise any moves', it can be done at home... So I dont get what on Earth this guy is talking about...
 
Soso Deaf said:
well for one, he was in rehearsal mode. that's what we were all saying in el lay(la) but as things started coming out....it doesn't look like mj. even in rehearsals, he works hard.
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What exactly are you saying Katie, don' understand?
 
azsummergirl said:
Guys, is this a new photo from the rehearsals?

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/07/76891/

Looks new to me . . . I haven't seen it on the forum yet
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I don't know...it could be new. Or it's from a HIStory concert?

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she also forgets about the robotic thing he was doing during the why you wanna trip on me part.

i don't think cooridination or ability to do the movements were any real concerns of anybody. it was more about endurance and ability to keep doing them over and over again for the whole performance.
 
Serenity3104 said:
That's my favorite move too! That's why I've always loved to see him perform Wanna Be Startin' Something because I know he's gonna do it when "mamase mamasa mamacoosa" comes on. I can't remember which performance it was (an earlier performance) but he was in all red I think and he started doing it so fast it looked like he was floating. I was just in awe, and it really is a hard move lol I keep trying but I don't have it yet.
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that's my absolute fave, too! i keep scanning back to that part of WBSS just to watch it again and again. he did it in Dangerous
 
oh B i was sayin that when we were in los angeles, we saw the clips. so many were bagging on mj not looking right and anderson cooper said he's in rehearsal mode so of course it's not as sharp as he would be in a performance.

but then after the memorial and things being said, we looked at it again, it does look like he'smoving slower and not like mj.

and in past rehearsals, he's never that listless and relaxed. so i dunno.
 
Rowe said this.

He needs to shut up. Ugh! I'm sick of these ppl running off at the mouth.
 
Mikejoefan said:
Rowe said this.

He needs to shut up. Ugh! I'm sick of these ppl running off at the mouth.
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of course Rowe said this,IMO he wants some money from AEG or this is some plan with him and Joe trying to get control of MJ's estate. so he has to peddle the MJ was frail, MJ was on drugs, MJ couldn't do 50 shows angle.
 
A.) He was 50! You give me anyone who is 50 and tell me how well they dance.
B.) While he did continue to dance and stay fit, he hadn't done a tour in 10 years. That's a Hell of a long time.
C.) He was in constant pain, and probably was when rehearsing.

All in all, he was still amazing. No one does a full show the way they would perform it live.
 
I think AEG brought the problem with all the claims that Michael was in perfect shape and danced like a 20 year old, then instead of releasing footage of a high paced routine that could prove he was fit they show a clip in which he doesn't do much (even considering its just a rehearsal). It was the same routine from the History tour and to me not one that could prove anything about his health or form.
 
From the first moment I saw the rehearsal footage I wondered why AEG chose to release that clip... He wasn't really doing much like everyone has already pointed out... And on top of that it wasn't even like a really super famous song that everyone knew... In my opinion I think they shouldve released something like Billie Jean...
 
Soso Deaf said:
oh B i was sayin that when we were in los angeles, we saw the clips. so many were bagging on mj not looking right and anderson cooper said he's in rehearsal mode so of course it's not as sharp as he would be in a performance.

but then after the memorial and things being said, we looked at it again, it does look like he'smoving slower and not like mj.

and in past rehearsals, he's never that listless and relaxed. so i dunno.
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Oh, I see.. I'd rather attribute the slowness to his age. We are MJ fans and quite analytical. My non-fan friends who saw the footage kept on saying, "he stil got it", and I agree with them. I don't necessarily disagree with Leonard that Mike didn't want to do 50 shows but I don't like how he used that footage to try prove his point.
 
The point of the video was to prove he wasn't on his death bed (didn't appear to be) and to prove that he was happy with doing the shows. So rowe can kiss booty! I don't know why joe is even with this guy who's bad mouthing his son. He spent 3 nano seconds with michael as of 09, and 2 of those second he was getting the boot from michael to be his manager! so why he feels the need to go off at the mouth so much is beyond me. It funny that he claim to have been blocked from seeing michael but thinks he knows so much. A block person isn't in the know.

You can't look at that video and tell me that the back up dancers blew michael out the water with their dancing. You just can't. Michael didn't move his fastest during that spring foot dance but it still looked amazing. The man is 50, the is one clip, and it was just rehearsal. Even with all that michael didn't look slower or out of place with his dance crew. Maybe out of place with, victory, "bad", dangerous mj but your average joe wouldn't have been able to do what michael did. So i'll say it again. Rowe can kiss booty. ugh!
 
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michael moved slower over the years. even the moonwalk got slower and slower but regardless i think the footage proves he still had the ability to put on a good show from the snippet we saw. of course theres the movie coming out later this year and im pretty sure that will show he still had the magic
 
I have not heard / seen him saying that.
So if anyone can do it I wonder why no one does it. The only person that comes close to it is Janet. And she also has her pains from all the years of hard work.

Spears for example is 27 and she gives a damn about work, she seldomly moves on stage, is stumbling, she lets other people dance, she has no expression on her face. Not to mention she doesn't bother to sing. etc. It is embarrassing.

Even if someone tries to imitate MJ, it is not as good as if the master himself would dance. As long as I see no better show I am not going to agree wit Rowe on that.
 
He was marking it in that rehearsal clip,not dancing flat out, and I've seen clips from 20 years ago rehearsals where he is marking it the same so it is slower.

MJ was a professional so he knew how to pace himself. Yes and he was 50, he looked fine to me and I really do not get that if he was doing on these drugs they say,he would not have been able to have the precision he had in those rehearsal clips.
 
BONGANI said:
I base my point ENTIRELY on the hip/skip move Michael did in that clip. I remember seeing that clip for the first time and I got so bloody emotional, I LOVE THAT MOVE,..........
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That move is one of my favourites, too. It is pure Michael and it looks so perfect on him!!!

xxHouseLovexx said:
People do not get that Michael actually NEVER went all-out during the rehearsals. Even during the bad tour rehearsals or the dangerous rehearsals. He was never really into dancing/singing when he was rehearsing. He was always giving it all he's got out during the actual performances.
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Correct, even a guy from one of the dance studios which MJ and his entourage rented said....well I think he had a special expression for it.......however, he also said Michael and all other professionel dancer don't give 100% in their rehearsal to save energy for the actual performances.

As some others have already said, have a look at the dangerous rehearsals, same thing.

I can't believe that we are forced to discuss this matter altough it is clear to everybody.
Fuck the press and all ignorant people who enjoy to take us to a level where we feel we have to explain MJ, which is ridiculous.
 
That move is awesome, and basing his skill of that move on that clip is wrong, mostly because it looked like he stopped doing it too early. I think when we see WBSS, we'll how good he really was at the move that day.
 
Mystic said:
That move is awesome, and basing his skill of that move on that clip is wrong, mostly because it looked like he stopped doing it too early. I think when we see WBSS, we'll how good he really was at the move that day.
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It wasn't really about how long he did it, I was using the move to dispute Leonard Rowe's daring statement.
 
when The first time I saw the TDRCAU rehearsal footage well I was blown-away on how crisp the audio was and got all emotional then seeing Michael perform so relaxed and just doing his thing-- it's a lame appraisal when they're basing it on this rehearsal footage-- Is the word rehearsal now difficult to fathom--who in the right mind would 'give it all' in a rehearsal besides he still has 2-3weeks before the actual show.

and on the skippy thing I love it when he does that.

I also watched the Dangerous rehearsals pretty similar but on the 'slower note' he did appear to be but then again this is a rehearsal and this man's 50

on the moonwalk note -- i think threw the years his moonwalk has gone smoother. IMHO
 
i'd like to think that if mj knew his 'age' would be a factor, he wouldn't have signed on to do the initial ten shows. u either got it or u don't
 
Micheal's rehearsal video is not a mirror image of what the ACTUAL performance would have been. Anybody who's a dancer knows that what Michael was doing in that footage is known as "marking" which is essentially just marking out the steps and where your body will be this point or that point he wasn't going full out because it wasn't necessary, you've got to remember this footage was taken 1 or 2 days before he passed (i forget) not 1 or 2 days before his first performance so it was about 3 weeks before his shows in London...well Michael was rehearsing near enough everyday it'd be ridiculous to go full out like that and its ridiculous to suggest he should have. Rowe is just jumping on the bandwagon of "Michael was frail and anorexic looking" i know he thinks he was helping Michael by saying that but it distracts from the investigation into what REALLY happened
 
Michael wasn't going all flat out all the time during rehearsals and he was the same way in rehearsals for other tours, just compare with the reharsals for the Dangerous tour, he was exactly the same way he wasn't going full pelt most of the time. He was marking the moves, doing them in time and just mapping out he performance, had this been the actual concert Michael would have been going flat out. Another point I want to make is that Michael said that he always fed off the audience when he was performing, the energy from the audience made him want to perform better and just give it all he's got, in the rehearsal you don't really have an audience to get feedback off. Plus They Don't Care About Us isn't one of the most challenging routines for his songs, he was basically performing the same as he did on the HIStory Tour. I don't quite understand the 'he was slow' argument because all the other dancers in that footage are performing exactly at the same speed.

I thought he was good in the footage we saw, the magic was still there in my opinion and I enjoyed watching it. You need to remember this was not the actual concert, it was a rehearsal where they were just running through arrangements and routines and timings etc.
 
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