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Thriller 40th Anniversary

Victorious said:
Again I am not sure if I believe it, but I think it's not that far stretched to straight away dismiss it the way it was done here. I know Michael was very nervous during the recording and cried a lot, had a lot of small nervous breakdowns in life and even panic attacks, I also know he had a very dualistic relationship with his father, which was definitely not just fear but also amazing admiration, so a scenario where Joseph (or even other family members) would have to come in to calm MJ down (forcefully or not) after being hysteric from something small just doesn't seem that unbelievable to me, sorry. Again not saying this guy tells the truth or twisted it
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I don't believe the story you send is real cause it looks over-exaggerated and has inconsistencies to believe it is fiction, but I agree with some of your views on MJ which makes the story somewhat plausible.

One thing I realized is that most people on this forum are very sensitive towards any form of negativety towards MJ and dont really have an open mind on some topics. Id also like more of these types of arguments/opinions but fans here dont accept it.
 
Victorious said:
Did you see the 'Thriller 40th Anniversary' documentary? They talk about this video called 'Thriller'
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And you've been quite rightly shut down in here for posting this nonsense so maybe you will get a better reception in a thread dedicated to absolute drivel.
 
MJImpeccable said:
I don't believe the story you send is real cause it looks over-exaggerated and has inconsistencies to believe it is fiction, but I agree with some of your views on MJ which makes the story somewhat plausible.

One thing I realized is that most people on this forum are very sensitive towards any form of negativety towards MJ and dont really have an open mind on some topics. Id also like more of these types of arguments/opinions but fans here dont accept it.
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No one is sensitive about it, were cynical. Because they've made the man the butt of every joke and untruth you can think of for the past 40 years. So you need to approach the topic with a little mavity gravity.

There was a very good, seemingly honest account of MJs life in his last years, by his bodyguards. When Bruce Swedien tells his stories about MJ crying, I'm inclined to believe him. There's loads of confirmed tales of MJ having emotional struggles. And with good reason.

But not some "anonymous source" on a website that isn't validated.
 
Zack44 said:
Branca has mentioned in the past that MJ wanted him to burn the negatives before convincing him to put the disclaimer at the start of the video. It's ironic he didn't tell that story for this doc.
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You can see it another way, that MJ had principles and beliefs, regardless of how you feel about them, that he was persuaded to disregard and compromise on. By a greedy businessman (Branca) who may or may not have had MJs ultimate good in mind. Who's still now alive and reaping all the benefits of MJs talent and creativity while MJ.... Is pushing up daisies.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
No one is sensitive about it, were cynical. Because they've made the man the butt of every joke and untruth you can think of for the past 40 years. So you need to approach the topic with a little mavity gravity.

There was a very good, seemingly honest account of MJs life in his last years, by his bodyguards. When Bruce Swedien tells his stories about MJ crying, I'm inclined to believe him. There's loads of confirmed tales of MJ having emotional struggles. And with good reason.

But not some "anonymous source" on a website that isn't validated.
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I said I agree the story by anonymous source is most likely made-up. Being cynical is also good.

And yes, I will also always defend Michael when other people mock him or have falso info or whatever. The way Michael was mocked, fake stories spread, etc. in his life is disgusting..

But from my experience is that a lot of fans are really sensitive on any form of negativety towards and not just on this forum, also on social media for example. If you think people here arent sensitive than you lack reality.

And I get it, Michael had a tough life which is what makes him so interesting to me, he was so misunderstood and was used for other peoples gain or easy stupid jokes.

So we as fans all have to defend him, but defending does not mean to blindly combat any negativety or not good stories about him or peoples opinions or whatever, there is so much interesting Michaels life and persona to discuss, even his 'flaws' are interesting.
 
MJImpeccable said:
If you think people here arent sensitive than you lack reality.
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The word sensitive is very, aggravating to me, not gonna lie.

According to some people we're already deluded and blind for thinking anything good about him at all.

It's almost like humanity is doomed to hatred and condemning one another forever or something.

But as it is, it can go too far the other way. The people who herald MJ as the second coming of Christ or the sole musical genius in his works are just as aggravating to me.
 
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MJImpeccable said:
So we as fans all have to defend him, but defending does not mean to blindly combat any negativety or not good stories about him or peoples opinions or whatever, there is so much interesting Michaels life and persona to discuss, even his 'flaws' are interesting.
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This is very true, and I think the same thing about the blind defensiveness sometimes. I've even seen some defending the baby dangling incident which is insane
 
We are not gonna start talking about all the times MJ was an idiot now. Just because we're rational doesn't mean we need to derail. Especially when this was brought on by an inane, completely ridiculous tall tale by an anonymous source.

The things he did I don't like, I try not to bring up. What would you wanna be remembered for when you're dead?
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
We are not gonna start talking about all the times MJ was an idiot now. Just because we're rational doesn't mean we need to derail. Especially when this was brought on by an inane, completely ridiculous tall tale by an anonymous source.

The things he did I don't like, I try not to bring up. What would you wanna be remembered for when you're dead?
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(1) nobody said we are going to start talking about all that, Im just saying that we dont have to obsessively defend everything he did or as you say, not talk about things which puts a 'bad light' on him (both of these are actually irrational and immature).

(2) Obviously we are here to celebrate his life and craftmanship, but some flaws are part of his life and shouldnt be ignored or not brought up like you suggest. It was a part of who he was and thats fine.

(3) Id rather be both remember for my achievements, kindness and mistakes so people or my kids can learn from them, its a part of life and nobody is perfect.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Especially when this was brought on by an inane, completely ridiculous tall tale by an anonymous source.
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I thought we agreed that MJ was stilll scared shitless of Joe around Thriller; cried a lot, could be very, very dissapointed with small stuff, had a lot of breakdowns and even manies. So yeah the story might be false, it might be exaggerated or out of context but 'inane and completely ridiuclous' it is not
 
MJImpeccable said:
(1) nobody said we are going to start talking about all that,
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It's not up to you. But this is gonna get away from you so, whatever. The mods will just have to have their way.
MJImpeccable said:
not talk about things which puts a 'bad light' on him
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And there's very little that really does to be true. Complaining about Invincible doesn't count. The Blanket incident, sure, that was pretty bad.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
MJImpeccable said:
(1) nobody said we are going to start talking about all that.
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
,It's not up to you. But this is gonna get away from you so, whatever. The mods will just have to have their way.
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Sorry I dont understand what you mean. I reffered to this:
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
We are not gonna start talking about all the times MJ was an idiot now.
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
And there's very little that really does to be true. Complaining about Invincible doesn't count. The Blanket incident, sure, that was pretty bad.
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I know there isnt that much but michael was a much talked about person for a reason, he was eccentric, and there are topics on his life which can have interesting debates/conversations.

But lets stop this cause its getting off topic.
 
MJImpeccable said:
Sorry I dont understand what you mean. I reffered to this:



I know there isnt that much but michael was a much talked about person for a reason, he was eccentric, and there are topics on his life which can have interesting debates/conversations.

But lets stop this cause its getting off topic.
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Some people will just run away with this idea and start derailing things entirely. So it's just better not to do it right now. Save it for the next tabloid type of thread, is all.
 
kai said:
It’s funny how literally nobody out of the fandom talks about T40 😅 another proof the estate doesn’t have any clue how to save MJs Legacy well…
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The ‘YAY I JUST HEARD MICHAEL ON THE RADIO’ Thread

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Literally just mentioned the album being out in the wild.
 
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kai said:
It’s funny how literally nobody out of the fandom talks about T40 😅 another proof the estate doesn’t have any clue how to save MJs Legacy well…
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Yeah I to find that very weird. I guess because they maybe didn't say much that we didn't already know. & the entire 30 seconds of clips were the only thing I think anticipated
 
Guys, this important. At 41:22 of the doc they are showing moves from BTS Dynamite video and they have chose to include a leg kick from the Madison Square Garden performance of You Rock My World when they could have taken it from any other era.

This means that The Estate low key loves Invincible and made an effort to get Invincible promoted during a Thriller documentary.

Just figured I would make you all aware of this - I am sure it gives us hope for future Invincible celebration projects which we all cant wait for!

Happy new years :)
 
Additional note,I just watched it yesterday for the first time. Why is Beat It being played like 3-4 times in the doco while Lady Of My Life, PYT and Baby Be Mine is hardly heard at all? I mean, I get that Beat It is a bigger song. But the ending notes should have had a different song!

And why cut it at 90 minutes when you could have had 115 and included the story about PYT, Baby Be Mine and Lady Of My Life?
 
Lightbringer said:
Additional note,I just watched it yesterday for the first time. Why is Beat It being played like 3-4 times in the doco while Lady Of My Life, PYT and Baby Be Mine is hardly heard at all? I mean, I get that Beat It is a bigger song. But the ending notes should have had a different song!

And why cut it at 90 minutes when you could have had 115 and included the story about PYT, Baby Be Mine and Lady Of My Life?
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It just occured to me they probably can't even talk about Rod Temperton's songs, or Quincy Jones. That or they just prefer not to.
 
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