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I just found out about this Jermaine Song. :bugeyed WTF seriously. Is it known if MJ ever said anything about this????? (dont think so anyway)

What up, yo
Word to the bad
I gave my love
You gave your love
Thought we'd never part
Said you loved me
Then you left me
With a broken heart
You never think about who you love
You only think about number one
You forgot about where we started from
You only think about what you want
You don't care about how it's done
You only think about you, your throne
Be it right or be it wrong
It ain't about your world
It ain't about the things that you do
If you don't care, I don't care
'Cause you keep thinkin' about you
It ain't about you takin' my pie
You been takin' for a long time
If you don't care, I don't care
If you keep...
Well I ain't thinkin' about you
Word up, yo
Word to the bad
Once you were made
You changed your ways
Even told me lies
Could not trust you
Still I loved you
My mind worried overtime
You know I tried to be there for you
Like a lover, I cared for you
It didn't matter; you always play me off
You only care about what you want
You don't care about how it's done
You only think about you, your throne
Be it right or be it wrong
Hook
Oh, no, no, I ain't thinkin' about you
Oh, no
What up, yo
Word to the bad
Thinkin' about that pie that you've been takin' from me
From a lover to another lover hard to believe
Lost and don't know it, yet you still show it
Givin' seems to be harder than it is to receive
The glass has gotten shady when it should have been clearer
But it's you always starin' in the mirror
Constantly fakin' it; ain't no mistakin' it
Get a grip 'cause you're not far from breakin' it
Thinkin' about the time when we used to be close
It shouldn't be a past tense 'cause nobody knows
What the future may hold, what tomorrow might bring
It's not guaranteed that you'll be spreadin' your wings
And funny it seems how it used to be
Times when you needed to lean on me
Now you're standin' on two, and you want to act now
Girl, I ain't thinkin' about you
Gone too far
Ya better turn back
I know who you are
You know where I'm at
Sad, but it's true
From me to you
Pick up the phone
Don't be alone
Step off the throne
Come back home
Hook
 
I don't think MJ took very kindly to it, and rightfully so... I remember the last time this was being discussed someone said they had a fight because MJ asked for it not to be released or something like that, I forget.
 
another discussion thread here
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/71064-Word-to-the-Badd!?highlight=word+badd

In an interview with Geraldo, Jermaine was asked :
if Michael had vitiligo and
If the kids are michael's biological kids - Jermaine said yes and how he watched Prince in the pool and Prince
has vitiligo under his arm and it's spreading- He said Michael passed it on to Prince
Geraldo asked then why did he write "Word To The Badd"
Jermaine said he did not write it but he sang it because he was mad at Michael for distancing the family
and he was representing other family members such as Reebie and his brother Jackie.
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According to Margaret Maldonado's book 'Jackson Family Values' Michael did confront Jermaine at Havenhurst
and it was not nice
 
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Michael indeed went to Hayvenhurst and they had a very violent argument with KJ in the middle. I personally doubt Michael forgot/forgave it.
I know I will never.
 
he explains it in the book. he wrote he never thought it'd be produced for the public (or something like that). but i think that's a lame excuse. however what Toya did and doing, what Reebie is doing (being friends with Stacy. and i have NEVER heard her defend her brother in regards to the accusations) is in my eyes worse.
 
Bitter_finalEE_twinklEE said:
countless people hurt Michael throughout the past decades including his family unfortunately.
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In those two cases (Jermaine and LaToya), they hurt him the deepest. It's no surprise when non-relatives dog you, but it's a totally deeper kind of pain when the knife in your back is being shoved by a loved one. They're both despicable in my eyes and always will be.
 
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That must have been one amazing pie, if he was so pissed over it.
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I think I know where it went...

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In all seriousness, though, Jermaine's jealousy seeps through every lyric. The thorns of hatred are oft the most vicious, especially when they are laced with the poison of envy. It's human nature, and it must have been so embarrassing to be so plain and unworthy, and to have a little brother who was a genius in every regard. Kawaii so ni.

What album is that song from, anyway? Actually, can we even name a single one of Jermaine's solo albums from memory? (I know I can't...) Yet, even people who are not Michael Jackson fans can name at least two albums of his from memory.
 
I thought I missed some things in these lyrics and now see that these lyrics are different from the ones I knew about and that are in the thread Mickson177 gave.
I never heard the song but knew about the existence of it.
 
maral said:
he explains it in the book. he wrote he never thought it'd be produced for the public (or something like that).
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i think he is lying here... the song was leaked to the public the day before Black or White was released.. so imo, it was a PR-stunt that actually hurt Jermaine more than Michael (career wise)
 
From my understanding Jermaine was about to record an album with LaRied and Babyface in Atlanta. Then MJ called them and wanted them to work on what would become his Dangerous album. So like anyone else would do, they left Jermaine to work with MJ. In the end MJ didnt really like any of their work and they were dismissed and MJ did not use any of their songs. After they worked with MJ, they went back to working with Jermaine and that was when this song was recorded. Im sure this combined with years of jealousy is what drove him to record the song. It was very stupid in my opinion though. How are you gonna not only record a diss record about your brother but also diss the person who pays for the food you eat and the roof over your head.
I think one of the reasons(besides their own selfish reasons) why Jermaine and LaToya do so much talking about MJ is because of the guilt of betraying him years before. By all accounts MJ didnt hate either one of them and may have even forgiven them for their actions, but he didnt really want much to do with them.
 
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For this matter I believe Magrate's version more than Jermaine's. Jermaine's version is full of unreasonable excuse. He was so jealous of MJ. I think MJ might forgive him but never forget what happened. It's just like LaToya's 93 thing. I do believe MJ forgave both of them. However, it does not mean he forget all those things his sibling did to him.
 
I believe what Jermaine says about it in his book. I do believe he didn't write the song, it's all because Michael didn't responded back to him numerous times even mentioning about the King Tut movie that he believe would a perfect roll for Michael to play the pharoh for which Michael didn't know about. They were both hurt because of the lyrics thats hurtful to Michael and no responses hurt Jermaine.

Of course Michael forgave Jermaine, he's all about forgiving.
 
Whether he wrote the song is irrelevent. he recorded it. its not believable at all that jerm didnt create this song. did la reid create such lyrics off the top of their head and think yes jermaine will love these lyrics about his brother. and whether u wrote the lyrics for public consumption or not is irrelevent.fact is u wrote them. no wonder mj wanted nothing to do with him.
 
To say those things to Michael's face would have been bad enough but to release it for the world to hear was a complete disgrace. I am sure Michael did forgive but I bet he didn't forget. Must have felt like being stabbed in the back.
 
I am confused. This LA Reid and Babyface that I see on tv or on the red carpet promoting Immortal and saying all these great things about Michael wrote this song? The same guy who shook Prince's hand on the x-factor and who Prince also has vitiligo? I hope everyone who helped record, write or produce this song really feel bad for this. Michael did suffer from vitiligo and he suffered with other things too. Jermaine can deny he wrote it but he still sang it. It's one thing to bad mouth your relative in private but to do it publically with a song is a no-no to me. Michael may have forgiven but you never forget.
 
It's hard for me to believe he didn't participate to write it. Some words just can't come from babyface and LA reid out of blue. Jermaine is making excuse in his book and I don't believe his version of the story. Sometime I found it's quite hypocrite of them that they praise MJ so much on TV but they did this kind of song.
 
missred07 said:
It's hard for me to believe he didn't participate to write it. Some words just can't come from babyface and LA reid out of blue. Jermaine is making excuse in his book and I don't believe his version of the story. Sometime I found it's quite hypocrite of them that they praise MJ so much on TV but they did this kind of song.
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If Babyface and LA Reid was truly at fault, Jermaine would had said so during the 90s.

Jermaine had come up with every excuse to justify this song and the story keeps changing. Go back to the early 90s and you'll see his reason for Word to the Badd are different that what he wrote in his book. The truth is unchanging. Jermaine is also a known lair and sees nothing wrong throwing others under the bus if it suites him.
 
I dont think Babyface and LA Ried are truly at fault but I think they had something to do with it. They were probably but hurt also since MJ dismissed them and didnt use their music. Also this is during the time when MJ became "white" and many black people felt betrayed and felt like he didnt want to be black anymore. So they probably did help with the song. I wouldnt be surprised either way.
 
chanel05 said:
I dont think Babyface and LA Ried are truly at fault but I think they had something to do with it. They were probably but hurt also since MJ dismissed them and didnt use their music. Also this is during the time when MJ became "white" and many black people felt betrayed and felt like he didnt want to be black anymore. So they probably did help with the song. I wouldnt be surprised either way.
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They're not on the songs credits, however. Unless you're going to say that they knew what they were doing was wrong so they gave all the credit to Jermaine who fall for it. Not to mention, Michael actually did work with Babyface again on History so unlike Jermaine there was no hard feelings. Also, both LA Reid and Babyface are professional producers. They had worked with dozens of artists and I'm certain their songs weren't pick on many occasions by other artists. It's part of the business and it's not supposed to be personally. They may of been upset for not being chosen, but enough to help make a slam song, really? Sorry, not buying it.

As I said, if LA Reid and Babyface had any involvement what so ever, Jermaine would had thrown them under the bus years ago.
 
Those lyrics are way too personal to have been written by someone else IMO. And I agree Jermaine would have said so a long time ago if he wasn't responsible for it. I may be very suspicious, but to me, Jermaine is playing a game with Michael's fan base. I believe he knows people are upset (to say the least) at his siblings/parents, and he's trying to be seen as different, the good big brother, the one who knew Michael better, the secret one always here for Michael, the one who's grieving his brother (I may be mistaken, but he's the only one I've seen shedding tears on tv). While the others think we owe them respect and love because of their last name, Jermaine seems to be trying to be the one we turn to after Michael. It's just a personal feeling.
 
^I agree. He's been playing up to Michael's fans recently. He probably thinks there's more to gain by having them on his side. Or maybe it's the old nagging thought that Michael stole his pie, as voiced through the lyrics here, and jealousies that never died that are making him want to take back whatever he presumes Michael took from him - fans, popularity, acceptance, love and career.
 
Well he can dream forever as far as I'm concerned, cuz I'll certainly never turn to him out of all people
 
He's doing a much sneakier job than the others. I'm pretty sure it's working with many people. As far as I'm concerned, my memory's too good. There're things I dont forget, or forgive. He deliberately hit Michael at the most sensitive spots, and it's the last thing his brother needed.
 
Ramona122003 said:
They're not on the songs credits, however. Unless you're going to say that they knew what they were doing was wrong so they gave all the credit to Jermaine who fall for it. Not to mention, Michael actually did work with Babyface again on History so unlike Jermaine there was no hard feelings. Also, both LA Reid and Babyface are professional producers. They had worked with dozens of artists and I'm certain their songs weren't pick on many occasions by other artists. It's part of the business and it's not supposed to be personally. They may of been upset for not being chosen, but enough to help make a slam song, really? Sorry, not buying it.

As I said, if LA Reid and Babyface had any involvement what so ever, Jermaine would had thrown them under the bus years ago.
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Ben said:
Those lyrics are way too personal to have been written by someone else IMO. And I agree Jermaine would have said so a long time ago if he wasn't responsible for it.
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Thats not true... Baby Face and LA Ried are on the songwriting credits along with others:

Written by l.a. reid, babyface, daryl simmons, jermaine jackson, and lisa "left-eye" lopes (1991)
Performed by jermaine jackson

So yes their names are on the credits (did you think I was pulling that out of my ass??).

Also just because he worked with MJ again that doesnt mean that there were no ill feelings toward him, it just means that he wanted a paycheck. Like you say business is business. There are many people who probably didnt care for MJ but respected him as a musician.

Im not saying they wrote the songs by themselves. I believe Jermaine was the one that headed this movement (wrote majority of it), but it doesnt take away the fact that they helped write it either. Im sure when they were doing the song they knew exactly what it was about and they were willing participants. Thats all im saying. Im not taking any blame away from Jermaine.



I also found these old articles about the song:

In this one Jermaine is quoted saying he wrote the song. So I guess he wrote it then....
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-11-07/entertainment/ca-1387_1_jermaine-jackson

This one just talks about the situation surrounding the song:
http://www.mjcafe.net/the legend speeches & faq/c8.htm
 
chanel05 said:
Thats not true... Baby Face and LA Ried are on the songwriting credits along with others:

Written by l.a. reid, babyface, daryl simmons, jermaine jackson, and lisa "left-eye" lopes (1991)
Performed by jermaine jackson

So yes their names are on the credits (did you think I was pulling that out of my ass??).

Also just because he worked with MJ again that doesnt mean that there were no ill feelings toward him, it just means that he wanted a paycheck. Like you say business is business. There are many people who probably didnt care for MJ but respected him as a musician.

Im not saying they wrote the songs by themselves. I believe Jermaine was the one that headed this movement (wrote majority of it), but it doesnt take away the fact that they helped write it either. Im sure when they were doing the song they knew exactly what it was about and they were willing participants. Thats all im saying. Im not taking any blame away from Jermaine.



I also found these old articles about the song:

In this one Jermaine is quoted saying he wrote the song. So I guess he wrote it then....
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-11-07/entertainment/ca-1387_1_jermaine-jackson

This one just talks about the situation surrounding the song:
http://www.mjcafe.net/the legend speeches & faq/c8.htm
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On the song credits are we talking about the original lyrics or the new one Jermaine wrote after the leak?

As I said before, if LA Reid and Babyface had anything do to with the song, why did Jermaine wait 20 years after the fact to say that? This is after he came up with several other stories.

Also, why would Michael work with any producer that bad mouths him, in song no less? He was Michael Jackson, he could had worked with any producer under the sun and there were plenty that respected him outside his music. Babyface wasn't even as popular when Michael worked with him on History and even gave some of Babyface's song to T3 like Why, so that couldn't be the reason.

You also haven't answer or given a reason to why two producers, who were on the top of the field at that time, would be so offended about their songs not being chosen that they would help write a slam song. Why would they take Michael's rejection so personally since they both knew there was a chance their songs could be release at a later time as an unreleased or a bonus track on another album?
 
Ramona122003 said:
On the song credits are we talking about the original lyrics or the new one Jermaine wrote after the leak?
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No, those are the original song credits. Everywhere I search on the internet it says the same credits for BOTH songs. If you can find different then let me know... BUT until then, you cant keep saying they had nothing to do with the song when their names are in the credits. Im basing my opinion of the fact that their names are in the song credits along with Jermaine's.

Ramona122003 said:
As I said before, if LA Reid and Babyface had anything do to with the song, why did Jermaine wait 20 years after the fact to say that? This is after he came up with several other stories.
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When has Jermaine ever said that they didnt have anything to do with the song?? All he ever said was that he wrote it and obivously its sung by him. They produced that ENTIRE album by Jermaine. So YES they had something to do with the song. Jermaine didnt go into the studio by himself and record the song. He did it after LA Ried and Babyface came back from working with MJ while they were recording Jermaine's new album. In one of those links I posted, it says that LA Ried and Babyface denied leaking the song to the radio (just like Jermaine did). That also goes to show that they had involvement in the song.

Now I do agree that 20years after the fact he cant try to say that they wrote it and he just performed it. I dont buy that story either. Also, I never said that Babyface and LA Ried should take ALL the blame, but they are part of it since they worked on the song and knew of its contents. If they felt the song was no good, then why even record it?? Thats wasting time and money. They song was a FULLY completed song, not a demo. They could have refused to produce the song BUT they didnt. Also after it was leaked, they never said that "Hey!!! It was all Jermaine, we had nothing to do with it". Actually I dont know if they said anything at all.

Ramona122003 said:
Also, why would Michael work with any producer that bad mouths him, in song no less? He was Michael Jackson, he could had worked with any producer under the sun and there were plenty that respected him outside his music. Babyface wasn't even as popular when Michael worked with him on History and even gave some of Babyface's song to T3 like Why, so that couldn't be the reason.
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Who knows why MJ did half of what he did. I cant answer that. But as I stated earlier Babyface name is on the credits so as far as im concerned, he had something to do with the songs. N how is MJ suppose to know who likes him and who doesnt?? Im sure MJ may not have liked some of the people he worked with personally but BUSINESS IS BUSINESS..

Ramona122003 said:
You also haven't answer or given a reason to why two producers, who were on the top of the field at that time, would be so offended about their songs not being chosen that they would help write a slam song. Why would they take Michael's rejection so personally since they both knew there was a chance their songs could be release at a later time as an unreleased or a bonus track on another album?
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Its not just about their songs not being used, from my understanding .. there were some creative disagreements and thats why things didnt work out. I belive it had something to do with Bruce Sweidan. N I cant answer all of those questions, you would have to ask them that. All I can say is that sometimes people dont take rejection easily or it could be that they didnt have a very savory opinion about him to begin with.
 
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I don't know Michael but I think if he wanted to find out who was behind the song besides Jermaine he would have. This song is sick and hurtful and all the people involved should be ashamed of themselves in my opinion. If Michael knew Babyface was involved and still worked with him afterwards then I don't know. Even if it's just business I know I could not work with someone that disrespected me like that. Michael suffered from his vitiligo. People never believed him. There are people who still even though it is in his autopsy don't believe he had vitiligo. It's sad. He was attacked personally not professionally and that isn't okay to me.Whatever disagreements and problems you have with someone you don't go out your way to hurt and embarass them.
 
It's easy for fans to stay mad at Jermaine for something that happened 20 years ago, but they were family. I used to fight and argue with my brother all the time, but eventually you get over it just because it's family.
 
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