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Who thinks Michael was awake when he recieved the propofol?

depends on when it was given and what story/ theory u go with
 
To be honest, I don't like to think that Michael was awake, that would mean he most likely knew exactly what was going on.
 
Michael Jackson was asleep. Most likely about to wake up when Murray got his phone call. Then he did his job and wasted as much time as possible before alerting others or calling 911. Meanwhile SONY AEG Branca Dileo and even Jermain all went to the media for their "close ups with crocodile tears" and with visions of $$$ in their heads; broke out the champagne,caviar and tributes.

 
What I think is that he was given drugs that were supposed to kill him so he would be dead by 9.30 am and Dr murray would find him dead around that time, but I don't think he was dead, I don't know if he was conscious or not, I think he might have been, and so they had to administer the lethal dose to kill him hence all the things that went wrong and delays in calling emergency services, the plan went wrong, they orchestrated it to make MJ look like a drug addict and that he overdosed. That is why AEG took out insurance to cover overdose but not natural death
 
No. He wasn't awake.

I just can't see him asking for propofol @10:40AM. That's entirely too late in the morning for him, when he hadn't see his kids yet, hadn't eaten breakfast and was due to arrive at rehearals at 2pm. Murray is full of shit. I seriously can't picture Michael lying there that LATE begging for another dose when he had a full day ahead of him. No. Michael was not awake.
 
Not me. I don't think he was awake or even functional with all those drugs Murray admitted to giving him.
 
it's too wierd a time for Michael to be asking for Propofol. I think he was already gone by that time.

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Michael, a father, someone who cared deeply about the world and all its challenges

caring + children does not equal putting your life in danger. I know I am a parent and someone who has no family whatsoever for back up - most dead. Therefore on us the pressure is greater to keep healthier and into our systems put healthy food.

I dont believe one bit of it

loada crap
 
I do not believe Michael was awake when the stupid Murray gave him the propofol. He probably was groggy but not awake enough to ask for anything. All the other drugs pumped into him would have him in a state of stupor.Murray made a mistake and think he would wake up and ask for the propofol and I think that is when he gave it to him. The he lefet the room and Michael stopped breathing..He gave him the antidote for Ativan/valium but I dont know when?
Why would anyone give an antidote, other than if the patient is not breathing?
People who suffer from insomnia do sleep after taken or given meds you know?
 
No. I simply believe he was asleep. Even IF Michael couldn't sleep he just doesn't seem like the type of person to ask for propofol after so many other medicines in his system before it. Michael is very smart. That's somthing so many of the public don't know. And that's one of the reasons why they are saying Michael "begged" for it himself, because the public don't know the real Michael and will just go with any damn story.

The ONLY people who can see the truth the fullest is the people who KNOW him. The ones who have been with him for so long and who have took the time to get to the REAL him.

I think Michael wasn't awake he was already gone.
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Now THAT is possible. Either he was sleep or already dead.
 
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I work with doctors that give the meds that he was given prior to the propofol, most people don't stay even semi-awake after the first 2 doses and if they are they are so incoherent that they have know idea what is going on around them. We use these drugs knock out the patient in order to aspirate internal masses (ie: a mass in the lung or stomach) via long flexable tubes. So it really is best if the patient is out for these procedures. The first 2 drugs murray gave him are what we refer to a snap-antistics they put the patient out fast but don't keep them out the away a surgical antistic would.
They do depress the respiratory system which is why we monitor oxygen saturation and BP and respiration. This is also why we are prepared for cardiac arrest and have at hand intubation kits and AED's should the patient code. In the cases that we have to completely put a patient out a quilified physician is called in to put the patient out. The procedure has then become a minor surgical procedure and in general is moved to the OR.

So I guess I'm saying he was out or at least unable to function
 
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C'mon people, You don't realy think that a men, who had his tour to be done, but most important 3 children to be raised would risk his life with taking all this medical crap??? Maybe I'm naive but I wouldn't lke to risk my life however I would trust to ay doctors...
 
mjgigglegirl said:
No. He wasn't awake.

I just can't see him asking for propofol @10:40AM. That's entirely too late in the morning for him, when he hadn't see his kids yet, hadn't eaten breakfast and was due to arrive at rehearals at 2pm. Murray is full of shit. I seriously can't picture Michael lying there that LATE begging for another dose when he had a full day ahead of him. No. Michael was not awake.
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Exactly!!

I think Michael went to sleep naturally with just one or two different injections. And while he was sleep it's possible the doc injected all the other drugs into him then.
 
but why? we still don't have a motive for Murray. so it's time to start thinking of other people, other motives along with him. please read the Sony thread, people...
 
indranee said:
but why? we still don't have a motive for Murray. so it's time to start thinking of other people, other motives along with him. please read the Sony thread, people...
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no motive? MONEY! "Lie for it, spy for it. KILL for it." MJ
 
kasume said:
no motive? MONEY! "Lie for it, spy for it. KILL for it." MJ
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ok, so what kind of motive he has?? money? how come??? He will( I believe) go to jail, so what money could e have off all this situation??? who are those people who payed him??
 
Maybe someone else besides Michael has money for him too.

But you're right. It doesn't exactly have to be for money.

MLK, John Lennon, they were all murdered without money receieved by their killers. But this is Michael Jackspon's murder and nothing around him has ever been simple, at least the circus revolving around him.
 
wait. okay, money. fine, then.

1) he didn't get MJ's money, that's for sure.

2) if someone else was paying him, they sure picked the wrong doctor to be the patsy, cos, man, this guy was INEPT as a murderer.
 
mello1 said:
There would be no reason to give MJ this drug if he were already asleep.
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who says he needed a reason....he just needed opportunity.....
as far as "motive" it most likely wasn't for him per se' but for someone else....
 
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Given the amount of sedatives, including muscle relaxants I doubt if he was in a very lucid state. I bet Murrey can't produce a consent form signed by Michael confirming that he knew and accepted the risks of being given propofol with no monitoring equipment and no resucitation equipment. I know an addict can build up a tolerance, but he had enough drugs to sedate a horse in his system.

I find it hard to believe that any junior doctor, let alone a cardiologist could be so inept as to not know that he would almost certainly kill Michael by giving him propofol on top of all those other medications. I think it was murder, premeditated and Murrey was prepared to do it, after all he could be sued for malpractice, and his insurance company pays, the worst is 4 years max in jail for manslaughter. Not long if he is set up for life when he comes out with a multi-million dollar payoff.

Whover set him up in 2003, set the scene using Bashir, this time they set the scene with all the stories about skin cancer etc. and him not wanting to do all the concerts, set him up to look like an addict who was cracking under the strain and everyone would believe he medicated himself. The delay in my opinion was in order for the propfol to disappear from his system, by maintaining his circulation. Within 6 minutes of his stopping breathing he would have been brain dead, but his heart could still function.
 
pamiiee said:
Michael, a father, someone who cared deeply about the world and all its challenges

caring + children does not equal putting your life in danger. I know I am a parent and someone who has no family whatsoever for back up - most dead. Therefore on us the pressure is greater to keep healthier and into our systems put healthy food.

I dont believe one bit of it

loada crap
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i agree with u, especially if ur a single parent like mj(and myslf) u would never do something like that which would put ur life in danger
 
That's right. Michael's children were the WORLD to him. They were his strength, his rock. He HAD strength and desire to live many more years.
 
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Gaiaschild said:
What I think is that he was given drugs that were supposed to kill him so he would be dead by 9.30 am and Dr murray would find him dead around that time, but I don't think he was dead, I don't know if he was conscious or not, I think he might have been, and so they had to administer the lethal dose to kill him hence all the things that went wrong and delays in calling emergency services, the plan went wrong, they orchestrated it to make MJ look like a drug addict and that he overdosed. That is why AEG took out insurance to cover overdose but not natural death
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I believe he was dead by 6AM June 25, 2009.
 
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