When taking a photo could land you in jail

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Is it a crime to take pictures?

From today, in The UK, anyone taking a photograph of a police officer could be deemed to have committed a criminal offence.

That is because of a new law - Section 76 of the Counter Terrorism Act - which has come into force.
It permits the arrest of anyone found "eliciting, publishing or communicating information" relating to members of the armed forces, intelligence services and police officers, which is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism".
That means anyone taking a picture of one of those people could face a fine or a prison sentence of up to 10 years, if a link to terrorism is proved.
The law has angered photographers, both professional and amateur, who fear it could exacerbate the harassment they already sometimes face.
On Monday, a group is gathering outside New Scotland Yard for a "mass picture-taking session" in protest.
The event is organised by the National Union of Journalists. It insists the right to take pictures in public places is "a precious freedom" that must be safeguarded.
NUJ organiser John Toner said: "Police officers are in news pictures at all sorts of events - football matches, carnivals, state processions - so the union wants to make it clear that taking their pictures is not the act of a criminal."
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The problems we can see arising are with junior officers using the legislation to overcome situations they find uncomfortable
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Neil Turner
British Press Photographers' Association

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Innocent photographer or terrorist?


'Suspicious circumstances'
The British Journal of Photography recently reported an incident involving a photographer in Cleveland who was stopped by a police officer while taking pictures of ships.
He was asked if he was connected to terrorism, which he wasn't, and told his details would be kept on file.
A Cleveland police spokeswoman told the journal that "in order to verify a person's actions as being entirely innocent," anyone in "suspicious circumstances" could be asked to explain themselves.
Photojournalist Marc Vallée is among those angry at the law. He specialises in covering protests and fears for the implications of Section 76.
"Alarm bells really are ringing," he told the BBC News website.
"I know some of it sounds a bit funny. Train spotters being stopped for taking pictures, that sort of thing, but I've spoken to people who've been on their own, at night and they're surrounded by several officers. It can be intimidating.
"It may be that officers are just doing their best with a bad law, but if that's the case, they need guidance to tell them, 'Stop harassing photographers.'"
Mr Vallée also pointed out that members of the Royal Family were part of the Armed Forces.
"Are we going to be stopped from photographing them?" he said.
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Photographers say they are frequently being stopped and searched


'Outrageous'
The NUJ said some police officers wrongly believed they had the right to delete photographers' images.
Other critics, meanwhile, fear the new law could inhibit their right to peaceful, democratic protest.
Leo Murray is a spokesman for climate change campaign group Plane Stupid. His members film any direct action they take.
"It's outrageous," he told the BBC News website. "It's yet another in a long line of measures designed to erode people's civil liberties.
"Being able to film the police has completely changed the way they are able to police our protests. It's made us much, much safer and the risks of a violent confrontation have almost disappeared.
"If we couldn't film they could act with impunity, they could just mete out violence with the confidence that nobody would find out.
"There's absolutely no way we are going to observe this ban. If they try to bring charges against us we will fight them in the courts."
In a statement, Number 10 said that while there were no legal restrictions on taking pictures in public places, "the law applies to photographers as it does to anybody else".
"So there may be situations in which the taking of photographs may cause or lead to public order situations, inflame an already tense situation, or raise security considerations," it said.
Photographers could therefore be asked to "move on" for the safety of themselves or others.
"Each situation will be different and it would be an operational matter for the police officer concerned as to what action should be taken," the statement added.
Junior officers
This discretion, however, is what some feel is the key problem with the law.
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Critics fear the new law could stop them photographing legitimate protests


Neil Turner, vice chairman of the British Press Photographers' Association, said he believed there was no intention among senior ranks of the police to prevent legitimate photography.
"The problems that we can see arising are with junior officers using the legislation to overcome situations that they find uncomfortable or where they make judgements about photography and don't know how to apply the legislation on the ground," he said.
"We firmly expect that there will be inappropriate uses of the act and that someone will end up in front of a judge before there is some clarity and before the purpose of the act is properly defined."
The Metropolitan Police insisted the law was intended to protect counter-terrorism officers and any prosecution would have to be in the public interest.
"For the offence to be committed, the information would have to raise a reasonable suspicion that it was intended to be used to provide practical assistance to terrorists," it said. "Taking photographs of police officers would not, except in very exceptional circumstances, be caught by this offence."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7888301.stm
 
When I went to NYC in 2002 there was an issue with photographing the bridges :yes: I love photographing buildings, statues and that sort but yeah I had to stop or get arrested for suspicion of terrorist acts. They justified their claims with photographic evidence would be needed to determine weaknesses in structures :unsure: Pretty weird but wouldn't have been worth loosing my camera over before I got to photograph Michael :lol:
 
It could be worse.

When I was in Mexico in the Yukaton I was going to take a picture of the federalli guarding a drug lord's house and my guide said "Are you crazy? They will shoot you." LOL
 
I've read somewhere that in some countries taking photo's of official building isn't permitted - it might be seen as spying:ph34r:

Not being allowed to take pics of bridges is a shame - tourists everywhere like to do that lol
 
I'd take a picture of a famous bridge or building...and if they don't like it, I got 2 words for them.............SUCK IT!

LOL
 
I'd take a picture of a famous bridge or building...and if they don't like it, I got 2 words for them.............SUCK IT!

LOL

LMAO and you'll be the one sitting in jail for it :yes: It simply isn't worth it. Here in Maryland we have the common sense laws no photography of Amish People, no accessing private areas for photography without consent and of course children have many limits since you need parents consent. But no restrictions against any officers, landmarks, buildings or structures.
 
When I went to NYC in 2002 there was an issue with photographing the bridges :yes: I love photographing buildings, statues and that sort but yeah I had to stop or get arrested for suspicion of terrorist acts. They justified their claims with photographic evidence would be needed to determine weaknesses in structures :unsure: Pretty weird but wouldn't have been worth loosing my camera over before I got to photograph Michael :lol:

at least we still can photograph Michael :lol:

(there are "stars" like Robbie Williams of whom it is not allowed to take photos..i have experienced it several times before, and seen how his guards take away etc the camera from the fans)
 
That depends on the settings too - If an adult is in public then it's public domain and they have no other authority and can't do anything about being photographed - however, the issue of public domain is interesting because it's defined differently everywhere you go. Like a hotel isn't public domain even though the public uses it - it is still a privately owned building and subject to the owners whims.
 
That depends on the settings too - If an adult is in public then it's public domain and they have no other authority and can't do anything about being photographed - however, the issue of public domain is interesting because it's defined differently everywhere you go. Like a hotel isn't public domain even though the public uses it - it is still a privately owned building and subject to the owners whims.
i see. well with Robbie W it was both times on the street..he was just walking, and when fans wanted to photograph him his bodyguads took action.
 
lol then the fans have the right and he's just a nasty person - granted some states consider it stalking and have other laws to protect celebrities that may apply.
 
Raylo said:
I've read somewhere that in some countries taking photo's of official building isn't permitted - it might be seen as spying
that is pathetically true. in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, we got taken to a police station for questioning because i took some pictures of the U.S. embassy there.

and even in malls, you're told to not take any photos.
 
I can (vaguely) understand the reasons....but nevertheless find it a bit ridiculous :huh:

So if I own pictures of the Royal Guard (from Buckingham Palace) I'm likely to be a terrorist? :ph34r:

*hopes no one attacks the palace*
:lol:

Lol, as they put it, police officials appear on TV and in newspapers all the time, so they are exposed anyway; plus, one wouldn't necessarily need a picture to plan an attack, one only needs to see the person's face - by going directly to that person :lol:

It makes sense to stop and question someone if they really seem suspicious, but to actually put forward a law in this sense....it's too much.


Frankly, I don't know how much will be left of freedom in the coming years...maybe I'm being a bit pessimistic about it, but the situation looks pretty gloomy to me even now :unsure:
 
So they dont want turists taking pictures of the Royal guards at Buckingham Palace, or the Tower Brigde? Damn, whats next? Turists wont be allowed to check the time on Big Ben?? :lol:
Geez...thank God I went there before that....that is ridiculous, theres no way to prevent that from happening ever again...
 
Lol, you can take photos in the UK, the ban of taking photos of official buildings is mostly a Middle Eastern thing as far as I know. The bridges issue is knew to me lol. It's so difficult to stop people from taking photos of anything nowadays anyway. They can quickly take pics with small cameras or phones - everywhere I go people are doing it at places where they're not supposed to lol
 
Others were photographing the same things in NYC as I was but I being a professional photographer I use professional equipment and many large lens so I was both more obvious and a greater threat because anything I took could have been HQ enlargements of anything particular. So I can understand their concern and need to protect people especially after 9/11 but a quick look at the pics (provided it's digital and mine was film at the time) and decent question as to why anyone is taking them should be enough. I highly doubt a tourist or pro photographer would be taking building joints in high res or whatever they were looking for. The laws just need a dose of common sense to go with em.
 
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