Sweden has gone anti-immigrant!

[DarthKathyGrint]

The far-right Sweden Democrats earned seats in parliament for the first time.

The group, which campaigned on an anti-immigrant platform and used the slogan "Keep Sweden Swedish," got 5.7% of the vote in Sunday's election, according to European Voice.

Look where else anti-immigrant groups are surging:

In Italy, the anti-immigrant Northern League joined forces with Prime Minister Berlusconi last March.
In France, President Sarkozy has kicked off a major campaign to send Roma back to Romania.
In Germany, racist comments by Geert Wilders and Thilo Sarrazin received strong public support.
Why? It's hard to be a socialist republic in a global downturn, with a dim outlook for the future.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/swed...-in-anti-immigrant-fears-2010-9#ixzz109F1Qu82

I totally agree with this comment. Ugh, i used to live in Sweden and as if things didn't suck already with the right-wing Moderats as the lead party, now we have this ignorant racist party in our parlament!

This is outrageous! A scandal! Blasphemy!

 

[elusive moonwalker]

does sweden have alot of immigrants anway?

 

[DarthKathyGrint]

does sweden have alot of immigrants anway?

Yes, but the thing with this party is they put stereotypes and such.

 

[Erandi]

They are crazed about these issues all over Europe right now. Hope it won't turn violent anytime soon...
I've seen on the news that thousands of people have gathered in Sweden to protest against this.

 

[twinklEE]

Yes, but the thing with this party is they put stereotypes and such.

but arent most immigrants in sweden germans etc?

 

[MIST]

but arent most immigrants in sweden germans etc?

There are many germans who have bought summercottages in Sweden and come here in the summers but I don´t think it´s so many immigrants.

In my sons school there were more children from other parts of the world than from Sweden, in his cousins schools there were most swedish children.
That´s different parts of the same city.
When we went by the citybus when it was christmas we could hear feliz navidah(merry christmas in spanish,but i´m not sure about the spelling)many times but seldom god jul(swedish for merry christmas).

There are racism in Sweden, I remember when my sons footballteam were playing against other teams in small villages.
The boys in their team was blond swedes and in my sons team there were most immigrantboys.
Their boys said bad things to our boys about their mothers and such things and our boys didn´t have the words , someone got angry and kicked a boy , the parents got angry...
It wasn´t nice to be there.
That´s about 15 years ago, but there are still racism here.

It was 2 parts who stood against each other in this election.
Blue with moderats and co and the other side was red/green.
The blue side won,all votes haven´t been counted and even if it´s close they don´t have 50% yet.
Both sides agree about that they are not going to work with SD.

More than 355000 people support the campaign we like difference, one of the artists who supports it says we are all humans.
I´m not sure about how many we are in Sweden but somewhere between 9 and 10 millions.

 

[DarthKathyGrint]

"Vi gillar olika!"
I'm a member myself on Facebook!
Thankfully i live in Gothenburg where there's almost no racism... quote on almost, because i know some racists lives there too.

 

[Kargo]

Its terrible really. But what makes me laugh is most of Sweden's current successful artists aren't Swedish anyway. You have Eric Saade, Darin Zanyar, Sibel Redzep, Salem Al Fakir. And these singers are gaining the Swedish record labels money which all leads back to the Government. I bet you the anti-immigrants have listened to at least one of these artists before.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

kinda strange why immigrant chose to go to sweden. no offence but its not a colonial country. where u can understand it like north africans in france etc.

this sort of thing always happens in a downturn. its typical scape goating ala the nazis

 

[The One.]

kinda strange why immigrant chose to go to sweden. no offence but its not a colonial country. where u can understand it like north africans in france etc.

this sort of thing always happens in a downturn. its typical scape goating ala the nazis

Maybe it's because of the high quality of life? That's why most come in Finland, too, though it's cold and dark here for most of the year (But here's not so many immigrants anyway)

Anyway this has been quite big news here, too.

 

[HIStory]

Wait a minute! Why would it be an obligation for any country to receive immigrants? I thought it's a favour. If they don't want immigrants they have every right to express that. It's their country. And the immigrants have theirs.

Every story has two sides to it. Immigrants cause a lot of trouble in Western European countries, no wonder the sentiment is turning against them.

BTW Geert Wilders is not a racist. He is anti-Islam, but since when is Islam a race?

 

[DarthKathyGrint]

Point. But they shouldn't overgeneralize people.
Maybe check on the immigrants who really needs help instead of the slacker immigrants who thinks they can get away with stuff.

 

[Jan]

Wait a minute! Why would it be an obligation for any country to receive immigrants? I thought it's a favour. If they don't want immigrants they have every right to express that. It's their country. And the immigrants have theirs.

Every story has two sides to it. Immigrants cause a lot of trouble in Western European countries, no wonder the sentiment is turning against them.

BTW Geert Wilders is not a racist. He is anti-Islam, but since when is Islam a race?

Exactly...

what Sarkozy did more then a month ago with illegal roma immigrants was just simbolic, a good move actually...someone had to start this.
Basicaly he just kicked people who were more or less participating in illegal activities out of the country.

 

[moodyblue97]

kinda strange why immigrant chose to go to sweden. no offence but its not a colonial country. where u can understand it like north africans in france etc.

this sort of thing always happens in a downturn. its typical scape goating ala the nazis

They choose sweden because they know they will be taken care of and they don´t have to work for it. I have friends who comes from middle east, everyone knows that Sweden is the country to go for. They take care of the immigrants better then their own people.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Wait a minute! Why would it be an obligation for any country to receive immigrants? I thought it's a favour. If they don't want immigrants they have every right to express that. It's their country. And the immigrants have theirs.

Every story has two sides to it. Immigrants cause a lot of trouble in Western European countries, no wonder the sentiment is turning against them.

BTW Geert Wilders is not a racist. He is anti-Islam, but since when is Islam a race?

well it comes under international law interms of when ppl request asyulm etc and if ppl live in the EU then they can move to any of EU country that they like. i guess wilders is a islamaphobe then. dont know much abut other subjects hes talked about interms of saying whether hes a racist or not xenaphobe etc

what Sarkozy did more then a month ago with illegal roma immigrants was just simbolic, a good move actually...someone had to start this.
Basicaly he just kicked people who were more or less participating in illegal activities out of the country.

the roma werent illegal immmigrants. as they come from romania they have a right to live in any EU country that they want to. from my understanding sarkozy decided to try and get rid of ALL roma. or did he just start to throw out those with criminal records after chekcing every single person? no thought not.

They choose sweden because they know they will be taken care of and they don´t have to work for it. I have friends who comes from middle east, everyone knows that Sweden is the country to go for. They take care of the immigrants better then their own people.

well they say that about most countries. thats the main argument of uk right wingers aswell. any idea of the % that go to sweden. be intresting to compair with say the uk

Maybe it's because of the high quality of life? That's why most come in Finland, too, though it's cold and dark here for most of the year (But here's not so many immigrants anyway)

yeah it is known for that.

 

[twinklEE]

the roma werent illegal immmigrants. as they come from romania they have a right to live in any EU country that they want to. from my understanding sarkozy decided to try and get rid of ALL roma. or did he just start to throw out those with criminal records after chekcing every single person? no thought not.

exactly.

 

[Snow White 1937]

the roma werent illegal immmigrants. as they come from romania they have a right to live in any EU country that they want to. from my understanding sarkozy decided to try and get rid of ALL roma.

Actually, there is a EU law which has been passed in 2004. It states that EU citizens may go and live and work in other EU countries, however, if they want to stay longer than 3 months, they have to prove that they have a job or that they can support their family financially and have health insurance. The Roma don't have any of that! They were not deported just because of their ethnic group. Do you know how they lived (illegal camps) and how much trouble they caused the police there?

I don't know how much people here know about Roma or if they have ever met one. Most Roma are from Romania or Bulgaria, though there are also Roma in the ex-Yugoslavian countries, and I can assure you that even those countries don't want to have the Roma back. Just ask a Romanian or a Bulgarian what they think of the Roma. A lot of EU countries criticised Mr Sarkozy's move but in reality they are glad they don't have to deal with the Roma. They should stop putting their own country on a pedestal when it comes to this topic. We let Africans drown while they are trying to come into Europe or simply deport them (even if they are going to die), so many asylum seekers and illegal immigrants live in camps in Italy and Greece without any hope for the future.

People are being deported every day from all sorts of Western countries. Why isn't anyone moaning about that? Because it's not on the news all the time, so it doesn't bother us. I am not saying that the Roma are horrible people, just that political correctness is not always they way real life works. For example, why are there restrictions on Bulgarian and Romanian nationals who want to work in the UK, even though those 2 countries have joined the EU? If you are a from another EU country it's a lot easier.

The Roma won't stay in Romania or Bulgaria, they will return. My advice to the Roma: return to France to annoy Mr Sarkozy a little or maybe you should go to Luxemburg since Miss Viviane Reding was so vocal about the deportation. She should welcome you with open arms. Or perhaps you should give the UK a shot. You are a minority which should work in your favour. Just shout "human rights" and they will bend over backwards for you. And you don't even have to work

No offense. Sorry.

Honestly, I can't blame the Roma! I understand why people want to move to a different country. They all want a better life. We all do. I have been a foreigner in quite a few countries. Due to my Dad's job we travelled a lot, so I know how it is. But as long as you try to understand people, learn their language and about their culture, you are on the right way. I think politicians have to try and help foreigners to integrate but of course this goes both ways.

It's ironic but 3 years ago I read an article how Sweden was the best country in Europe at helping foreigners integrate...

 

[elusive moonwalker]

ctually, there is a EU law which has been passed in 2004. It states that EU citizens may go and live and work in other EU countries, however, if they want to stay longer than 3 months, they have to prove that they have a job or that they can support their family financially and have health insurance. The Roma don't have any of that! They were not deported just because of their ethnic group. Do you know how they lived (illegal camps) and how much trouble they caused the police there?

they werent ilelgal immigrants when they went there. they had a right to go there in the first place.that is the issue

Do you know how they lived (illegal camps) and how much trouble they caused the police there?

your sterotyping. blaming a whole group of ppl because of the actions of some of them.about 300k got murdered by the nazis because of that. its a slippery road and thats why alot of ppl arent happy about whats going on

People are being deported every day from all sorts of Western countries. Why isn't anyone moaning about that?

cause they arent from the EU or have gone through due process

 

[MJsweden]

Jag vet, det finns mycket utlänningar i Sverige. Men asså.....vad ska vi göra åt det? Ringa polisen? xD

 

[elusive moonwalker]

lol. not unless its a crime

 

[Snow White 1937]

they werent ilelgal immigrants when they went there. they had a right to go there in the first place.that is the issue

Yes, they were allowed to go. For 3 months, unless they found a job. They didn't work and weren't able to prove that they were able to financially support their family. Show me a country were you are allowed to stay if you can't prove those things and are not a citizen. It's all over Europe like that. It's all over the world like that. Try going to.. say Australia. If you don't have a job or can't prove that you can financially support yourself then you can't stay there. People call this case "abiding the law" but the French case is racism? The 2004 law gives the French the right to send Romanian and Bulgarian people home.

your sterotyping. blaming a whole group of ppl because of the actions of some of them.about 300k got murdered by the nazis because of that. its a slippery road and thats why alot of ppl arent happy about whats going on

I didn't blame them because they were Roma. Those people caused trouble and built illegal camps. Their ethnic background has nothing to do with it. I didn't say that all Roma are bad people.
Besides, the French aren't Nazis, they didn't kill those people. No need to compare them.

cause they arent from the EU or have gone through due process

Re-read about the 2004 law. The French were within the law to send those people back home. There are also other Roma in other EU countries waiting to be deported. There are different laws for Romanian and Bulgarian citizens who want go to other EU countries.

Jag vet, det finns mycket utlänningar i Sverige. Men asså.....vad ska vi göra åt det? Ringa polisen? xD

No :lol: There is nothing wrong with foreigners in ones country, it's quite the contrary! If it weren't for foreigners, I am sure the economy of the country I live in now would crash :lol:

 

[DarthKathyGrint]

Jag vet, det finns mycket utlänningar i Sverige. Men asså.....vad ska vi göra åt det? Ringa polisen? xD

Polis polis potatismos!

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Yes, they were allowed to go. For 3 months, unless they found a job. They didn't work and weren't able to prove that they were able to financially support their family. Show me a country were you are allowed to stay if you can't prove those things and are not a citizen.

yeah thats fair enough. but we all know why its become a big issue.its the conitations that it has with previous history.

Show me a country were you are allowed to stay if you can't prove those things and are not a citizen

the UK but thats another thread LOL

Try going to.. say Australia. If you don't have a job or can't prove that you can financially support yourself then you can't stay there. People call this case "abiding the law" but the French case is racism? The 2004 law gives the French the right to send Romanian and Bulgarian people home.

well u cant really compair that cause of the laws regarding EU citizens. u just cant go to Oz and say im going to live there.u have to get visas first.u can do that in europe if u are from a EU country

Re-read about the 2004 law. The French were within the law to send those people back home. There are also other Roma in other EU countries waiting to be deported. There are different laws for Romanian and Bulgarian citizens who want go to other EU countries.

not sure what u ment about re reading the law.i presumed you were talking about ppl who had claimed asylum or come to live/work from outside the EU.therefore get drported cause they have no valid reason or visa to be in the country.yeah its been going in in italy for a long time aswell but there hasnt been much reporting on it.heck one stole 2 euro off me in lucca in 2007. thats what u get for being nice and giving them your spare change lol

I didn't blame them because they were Roma. Those people caused trouble and built illegal camps. Their ethnic background has nothing to do with it. I didn't say that all Roma are bad people.
Besides, the French aren't Nazis, they didn't kill those people. No need to compare them.

yeah but we have all seen the news reorts and what ppl think of them. its the same in every country. with gypsies in the uk they have a reputation so the whole population of them get tainted with the same brush. i doubt every single roma cause trouble in france. ive seen enough reports where the media talked to them and they just wanted the same as everyone else. a better quality of life. im not comapiring the french with nazis im talking about why this has become such a big issue. because of the conitations it has to the past.let them apply for social housing if they want to get rid of the camps

 

[Snow White 1937]

the UK but thats another thread LOL

:lol: Good point. I don't know if you watched sky news when this topic was still hot, but I remember them interviewing one of those Roma and he said they'd like to move to the UK because "Britain has a generous benefits system and respects human rights."
I don't mean to sound judgmental but does this sound like a person who is looking for a job? Then again, how can you blame a person for abusing the system if the system invites you to do these things

well u cant really compair that cause of the laws regarding EU citizens. u just cant go to Oz and say im going to live there.u have to get visas first.u can do that in europe if u are from a EU country

Yeah, I know that, it is a lot easier to move from one EU country to another than to Australia, I was just using an example to clarify what I meant. As a EU citizen you don't need a visa to stay in another EU country but there are still rules that apply, you have to have enough money to support your family or a job, plus you need to have health insurance. The French can kick out anyone, not just the Roma, if they don't follow these rules. These rules apply to all EU countries and citizens. The Roma neither had a job nor health insurance.
Ireland also deported Roma in 2007, by the way. No one in Europe made a big deal about it, and unlike the French did, they weren't given any "goodbye" money.
What annoys me is that politicians use this to aggrandise themselves. They don't want to have those Roma in their country either. In reality they couldn't care less about the Roma. All the can do is criticise but I never hear any sound solutions.

heck one stole 2 euro off me in lucca in 2007. thats what u get for being nice and giving them your spare change lol

lol, to be fair, these things can happen anywhere.

yeah but we have all seen the news reorts and what ppl think of them. its the same in every country. with gypsies in the uk they have a reputation so the whole population of them get tainted with the same brush. i doubt every single roma cause trouble in france. ive seen enough reports where the media talked to them and they just wanted the same as everyone else. a better quality of life. im not comapiring the french with nazis im talking about why this has become such a big issue. because of the conitations it has to the past.let them apply for social housing if they want to get rid of the camps

I absolutely agree, like I have mentioned before I don't blame anyone on this planet for wanting a better life. Of course not every Roma is like the ones who have been deported (no job, no housing, illegal camps), it is only a few who ruin it for the rest (there are about 12 million Roma in Europe). But the French have the right to kick someone out if they don't follow the rules, why should they make exceptions simply because those people belong to an ethnic minority? Why didn't they simply get a job and move into a house or a flat? Why build illegal camps in a country where you are only a guest? There are lots of other gypsies who work and have proper housing. It's unfair to turn around after one's wrongdoings and shout "human rights" or hide behind one's ethnic background..

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Good point. I don't know if you watched sky news when this topic was still hot, but I remember them interviewing one of those Roma and he said they'd like to move to the UK because "Britain has a generous benefits system and respects human rights."

i dont watch sky news. they are a wannabe fox news channel (fox's sister station) to much of an agenda.

Then again, how can you blame a person for abusing the system if the system invites you to do these things

very true. u would be daft to turn such an offer down lol

What annoys me is that politicians use this to aggrandise themselves. They don't want to have those Roma in their country either. In reality they couldn't care less about the Roma. All the can do is criticise but I never hear any sound solutions.

true.

 

[MIST]

Sweden democrats says they are not racists.
They just want to keep swedish traditions alive.
It is tradition that before the new parlament begins they go to church and our king is there too.
When the bishop began to talk about racism,we are all equal, then SD went out from church.
Later they apologised to the king.