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Do you think any of the Jackson family members feel guilty about MJ's death? That they didn't do enough to help their brother/son/uncle/cousin?
 
I hope that at least some of them do. Because if none of them does, things are even more horrible in that family than I think.


probably Jackie... he seems the most (if not the only) genuine of them all.
 
No, because Michael chose to distance himself from most of them (understandably so) so they couldn't possibly know whether Michael needed help or not. If he did need help, I don't think his family could have convinced him to seek it (apart from his mother maybe). But I don't think there was anything wrong with Michael that required their intervention. Michael had problems with insomnia for most of his life, unfortunately he hired a doctor that was reckless and irresponsible. I know you don't like the Jackson family but to blame them for Michael's death is utterly ridiculous imo.

Of course, if you believe Michael was a druggie or weak, sad and confused when he died, then you could argue that his family (particularly his mother) should have done more to help him. But I don't believe that and I sure hope most fans don't.

How many of these threads do you intend to open btw?
 
I agee with LindavG. I don't think anything was wrong with Michael aside from his sleeping issues.

One thing I wished the family had done was ease up on Michael regarding performing with his brothers on stage again, Katherine wanting Michael to be the financial saviour for the entire family, and any get-rich-quick schemes Joe and Randy may have been trying to put together at any given time.

I mean, it must be hard to think EVERYTIME you take a call from a family member, you ALREADY know that they either want money, or for you to perform with them, or for you to invest in a deal they are working on, or when one of your sisters says "we are STILL working on him," when you already said NO to that sister.

In my opinion, all of that put together must have been very stressful for Michael.
 
Big Apple2 said:
I agee with LindavG. I don't think anything was wrong with Michael aside from his sleeping issues.

One thing I wished the family had done was ease up on Michael regarding performing with his brothers on stage again, Katherine wanting Michael to be the financial saviour for the entire family, and any get-rich-quick schemes Joe and Randy may have been trying to put together at any given time.

I mean, it must be hard to think EVERYTIME you take a call from a family member, you ALREADY know that they either want money, or for you to perform with them, or for you to invest in a deal they are working on, or when one of your sisters says "we are STILL working on him," when you already said NO to that sister.

In my opinion, all of that put together must have been very stressful for Michael.
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Yes, I agree with that as well. I wish his brothers would have worked harder to establish a solo career for themselves. It may not have resulted in the type of success that Michael enjoyed, but I'm sure some of them would have been able to create a nice following and have a steady income for the rest of their lives. And if that didn't work out, they could have done something behind the scenes in showbizz, as I said before I'm sure that with their experience and last name it wouldn't be too hard for them to get a decent job behind the scenes. Instead, they depended on Michael and waited for decades hoping he would one day share the spotlights with them again. Sure, they did some little projects on the side but nothing to support their lavish lifestyles (as far as I can judge, I don't know too much about their past jobs). I think this is one of the reasons why Michael couldn't relate that well to the rest of his family, they didn't have the same kind of drive and motivation to succeed.

That said, this has of course nothing to do with Michael's death. His family already pressured him way back in the Thriller days (remember Victory tour?) so if this is what killed him, he would have died a long time ago. I also don't think all of his family was equally eager to perform with him again, from what I remember from the Jackson Dynasty reality shows it was mainly Jermaine and Randy (right?) that wanted this reunion. We should also be careful to refer to them as "The Family" as they are all individuals and don't necessarily agree with each other all the time. E.g. I don't think Jackie and Jermaine get along too well and Jackie publicly confirmed that Jermaine doesn't pay his child support and is afraid to lose his passport (which Jermaine previously denied) so that looks to me like Jackie doesn't support this and doesn't want to cover for Jermaine's actions.

Edit: I have to add that Tito did try and succeeded to find a little niche for himself in showbizz so he is excluded from my comments.
 
Big Apple2 said:
I'm not too familiar with the Victory Tour, aside from knowing (I think) that Don King was somehow involved.

Care to share what you know about the Victory tour. I'd sure appreciate reading about it.
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Well, I first heard about the issues surrounding this tour on the Glenda tapes, when Michael said that "That was one of the last things [Joe] dabbled in, he screwed it up (...) I said don't use Don King (...) he's a crook". Michael was outvoted on this tour on a lot of things. First of all, he wanted to call it "The Final Curtain" to make clear that this was their last tour but he was outvoted by his brothers. He didn't want to use Don King but he was again outvoted. He didn't want to use Pepsi as a sponsor (because he was a health freak and didn't drink soda himself) but he was outvoted. Then there was this huge issue with ticket sales, Don King decided that all tickets should be bought in pairs of 4 and the way of buying it was very complicated (iirc you had to cut out a coupon from the newspaper and send it, and you had to pay in advance without knowing if you even got the tickets or where your seats would be). This caused a huge public outrage and people called them, and particularly Michael, greedy. A little girl wrote Michael an open letter in which she said she had always wanted to see him but she couldn't afford the tickets and she was very disappointed in him. This upset Michael a lot and he gave the girl VIP tickets, as well as holding a press conference announcing that he was gonna donate his share of the proceeds to charity and promising to change the ticket distribustion system.

So basically, Michael did a tour he didn't really want to do and suffered damage to his image because of it, without earning a penny from it.

That's from the top of my head, I'm sure there are others who know more details about it ;)
 
LindavG said:
So basically, Michael did a tour he didn't really want to do and suffered damage to his image because of it, without earning a penny from it.

That's from the top of my head, I'm sure there are others who know more details about it ;)
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Thanks Linda.

I figured with Don King's involvement there would be some shady things going on. That has ALWAYS been his style. Even in the World Of Boxing, his dealings were always cloaked in shady behaviour.
 
Do you feel guilty StacyJ? your post indicates that you might. Were you supportive of Michael during his trials and tribulations? did you use to criticise him relentlessly?

As for his family i think most people feels some sort of guilt temporarily when someone close to you dies from a preventable death regardless if it's actually their fault or not.
 
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Moulin Rouge said:
Do you feel guilty StacyJ? your post indicates that you might. Were you supportive of Michael during his trials and tribulations? did you use to criticise him relentlessly?

As for his family i think most people feels some sort of guilt temporarily when someone close to you dies from a preventable death regardless if it's actually their fault or not.
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None at all.. I've been an MJ fan for over 30 years. I supported MJ through the good and the bad times. I've never in my life met MJ, so I could not have helped him. His family knew him and knew how to talk to him and how to reach him, but they did absolutely nothing. He's dead now and they are still doing nothing. I think they all should feel guilty for abandoning their brother. There is way too many of them for MJ to be gone like he is. They all claimed to have known he was struggling, heck we as fans know MJ had a very rough 10 years or so, so why weren't they there for him? why weren't they supporting him instead of trying to get him to go on a family tour?
 
StacyJ said:
None at all.. I've been an MJ fan for over 30 years. I supported MJ through the good and the bad times. I've never in my life met MJ, so I could not have helped him. His family knew him and knew how to talk to him and how to reach him, but they did absolutely nothing. He's dead now and they are still doing nothing. I think they all should feel guilty for abandoning their brother. There is way too many of them for MJ to be gone like he is. They all claimed to have known he was struggling, heck we as fans know MJ had a very rough 10 years or so, so why weren't they there for him? why weren't they supporting him instead of trying to get him to go on a family tour?
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At the end of the day Michael's death is a homocide. No one would know he had sleeping issues unless he told them, even people in Michael's house had no clue he was being induced at night. Some in his family felt he had a problem and tried to help, maybe some feel they should have tried harder but at the end of the day they cared about his well being and I know Michael knew that. Michael is now gone, there is nothing anyone can do to bring him back so feeling gulity for a crime you did not commit is useless. It's best to accept the situation and try to get justice for his death because he died in the hands of another.
 
Moulin Rouge said:
At the end of the day Michael's death is a homocide. No one would know he had sleeping issues unless he told them, even people in Michael's house had no clue he was being induced at night. Some in his family felt he had a problem and tried to help, maybe some feel they should have tried harder but at the end of the day they cared about his well being and I know Michael knew that. Michael is now gone, there is nothing anyone can do to bring him back so feeling gulity for a crime you did not commit is useless. It's best to accept the situation and try to get justice for his death because he died in the hands of another.
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How did they try to help Moulin?
 
JMie said:
I hope that at least some of them do. Because if none of them does, things are even more horrible in that family than I think.


probably Jackie... he seems the most (if not the only) genuine of them all.
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I think Tito and Marlon also. Randy is still grieving but I think he is the one who probably feel the most
 
Michael was a 50 year old grown man , he was not a freaking child . IF someone is not asking or didn't want help, how can you help them? theres a saying you gotta help yourself before someone help you. why didn't he tell people he couldn't sleep ? nobody can't help you if you don't tell them what's wrong .
 
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Again if the family knew Klein or any other doctor was intentionally drugging up MJ for no medical reason and was intentionally trying to make him an 'addict' why the hell didn't they do anything? Klein has been MJ's dermatologist for over 25 years. If they were suspect about him why didn't they call the medical board 20 years ago? They all knew who MJ's dermatologist and plastic surgeon was. Why not report them and file a case against them for unethical dealings with MJ?

Like I've said they didn't care.. Janet told Oprah she knew MJ could die of drugs because she knew he had a problem. What in the world did she do to help her brother? she just stood idly by and let doctors drug him to death without doing anything? When she said that I felt like throwing up. It's like you knew something like this could happen but you did absolutely nothing to prevent it or to help?
 
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