dam2040;4087949 said:God no. That family were leeches, and to suggest he'd still be alive just because he had them around would be stupid. He died because he was in the care of the wrong man.
MIST;4087970 said:Michael died because he had great difficulty sleeping.
I would say it started in his family with working late in clubs at a young age, touring and timezones,daddy waking him up scaring him for fun, to see how his daddy behaved with other women knowing that his beloved mother was at home waiting.
Family teased him for his big nose maybe he sometimes worried about that people would see his big nose when he was on stage and couldn´t sleep.
Bubs;4087983 said:Michael had his own valid reason to keep most of his family members at distance.
He was looking people who loved him for himself not as ATM etc, but unfortunately he went out of the frying pan into the fire.
His family were half the problem. if they didnt treat him like a comodity,only called him when they wanted something ie money or a reunion show etc etc. And when he refused went running to the press to get their own back then i doubt he would have ended up going around looking for the unconditional love he didnt get from them. wouldnt have ended up getting involved with the chandlers ..... Etc etc etc looking for familes to be around. mj kept his distance from them cause he knew what they really cared about and knew how they would try to use and influence him for their own ends.and interm left him with not alot of support and love. they would have "killed" him long before murray.
Why vilify his family, when he was around his family before Thriller, he was at his happiness and never had to deal with leaches like the Arivisos and the chandlers and a host of others who were trying to get his money and assets. Yes, his family wasn't perfect, but that's just like it is with any family, did he need to cut them off like that? I believe you MJ fans are too harsh on his family and not hard enough on the people who REALLY rail-roaded him and eventually killed. REMEMBER, he never had all these problems until he isolated himself from hid family, REMEMBER that!!!
His family were half the problem. if they didnt treat him like a comodity,only called him when they wanted something ie money or a reunion show etc etc. And when he refused went running to the press to get their own back then i doubt he would have ended up going around looking for the unconditional love he didnt get from them. wouldnt have ended up getting involved with the chandlers ..... Etc etc etc looking for familes to be around. mj kept his distance from them cause he knew what they really cared about and knew how they would try to use and influence him for their own ends.and interm left him with not alot of support and love. they would have "killed" him long before murray.
How do you know he was happy before Thriller? If you listen to his song lyrics on albums like Destiny he felt used and abused since he was very young - and yes, that partly came from his own family. And also let's not forget where his self image problems come from etc. While you are right that no one did him as wrong as the accusers, but things do not exist in a vacuum. Ask yourself why did he feel the need to seek out and "join" all these families of basically strangers to whom he was then an easy prey? Because there was something wrong with his own family.
His family were half the problem. if they didnt treat him like a comodity,only called him when they wanted something ie money or a reunion show etc etc. And when he refused went running to the press to get their own back then i doubt he would have ended up going around looking for the unconditional love he didnt get from them. wouldnt have ended up getting involved with the chandlers ..... Etc etc etc looking for familes to be around. mj kept his distance from them cause he knew what they really cared about and knew how they would try to use and influence him for their own ends.and interm left him with not alot of support and love. they would have "killed" him long before murray.
I think if he had any sense, he would have given the family large sum of money, say, 20 million and told then to split it between them.
Don't you know that is really what the Victory Tour was all about? Michael was the mega superstar at that time and no one went to see the tour except to see him and him alone. He knew it and the family knew it. The Destiny and Triumph Days were over. But he did it for them-so they could make that money to set them up for life. They each made around 7 million dollars each for that tour, and that doesn't include the merchandising deals with the tour. Katherine and Joseph also made millions as promoters of the tour. It obviously wasn't enough-it would never be enough.I think if he had any sense, he would have given the family large sum of money, say, 20 million and told then to split it between them. That way they wouldn't keeping begging for more. By the way, there many leaches besides the Chandler's and Arvisos. Why do you think went broke? He wasn't broke before distancing himself from his family.
And yes, there were thousands of leeches besides the Chandlers and the Arvizos. Michael said himself that he just wanted to be loved-and I don't think he ever felt that unconditional love from anyone-ever. That's tragic.
Well, of course, you're right. Thank God for them. I'd give my right arm if they had been born sooner in the late 80's/early 90's after the Bad tour wrapped up and he was moving to Neverland. Maybe things would have been very different.What about his children?
Latoya?
I'm sure he gave a lot of money to his family over the years. And I'm also sure he had no problem giving when a family member was in need, but I think they took advantage of his good heart and Michael got fed up with it. He was not obliged to provide for his fully grown, fully healthy siblings who were fully capable of working.
I think if he had any sense, he would have given the family large sum of money, say, 20 million and told then to split it between them
Why should he have to take care of a bunch of grown people? Greedy people are like cats feed them once they come back for more
exactly. as mj said himself about joe and no doubt it can be said about all of them. "he only calls me when he wants something never calls just to see how im doing or what im up to" the family have an entitlement complex when it comes to mjs wealth. all stemming (sp) from mj leaving the group and "stopping" his bros from working.there was always that resentment and the thought mj should provide seeing as he left us.theres no isuue with genuien need but when ppl start taking the p*** out of feelings of resentment/intitlement and/or lazyness then thats another thing. we saw with jerm over the years and his obsession with anouncing reunions knowing full well mj had refused. even right up to the end with tito telling the press how great it would be if mj let his bros perform with him on some of the shows. a story that quickly changed when the families agenda did in sueing AEG. to the resentment over the will etc etc. we know how mj could not say no to katherine and how she was used to do do others bidding like during the victory tour. we saw how mj ended up paying for some of his bros kids educations/child supports and we saw how some bros used mj to pay for the exes housing aswell. Nothing much has changed!
But this is all hearsay, we don't know for fact that they were using him. I'm sure they invested in property of some sort.
Yes certainly not hearsay. documented in court papers re randy offering hayvernhurst to get out of paying for his kids. Same as jermaine. dee dee talked about mj paying when tito walked away. many documented events
Family courts are notoriously biased against fathers. The solurion to the bullshit is to give full custody to the parent most financially stable.
But this is all hearsay, we don't know for fact that they were using him. I'm sure they invested in property of some sort.