Michael Jackson and Frederic Marc Schaffel - NEEDING INFO

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I am in need of some information regarding Michael's association with Schaffel. I know some sparse details regarding him but i would like to know the full details and facts, if possible.

If you are wondering why i have brought this up, it's because i am in a 'heated' email discussion with so-called journalist Jeffrey Scott Shapiro and he is bringing up his name and all this info i don't know much about. I want to defend Michael but i cannot proceed with responding to him if i don't know the facts about the matter(s). I'd also like to know more about this for my own peace of mind, too.

I would really appreciate the help.
 
Thanks for the thread. I have been wondering the same thing.
 
All I know is that Schaffel directed and produced gay pornography in the past. Michael hired him to be the executive producer of 'What more can I give'. Why this is relevent to anything, I'm not sure.
 
I know the article you mean and I felt like writing to him also but then thought why bother giving him attention.

His 'investigation' has involved reading other journalists articles and printing the highlights without checking the facts, basically mordern day journalism!!
 
Isn't Marc Schaffel also one of Debbie Rowe's friends?


Hmmm....
 
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisob...ws/14980708.htm

Jackson lawyer targets lack of documentation for money claims

LINDA DEUTSCH
Associated Press

SANTA MONICA, Calif. - A former associate suing Michael Jackson testified Thursday that he never got a receipt for a $300,000 payment he claims he delivered to a "Mr. X" in South America on the pop star's behalf.

The issue of the mysterious payment, for which no details were given, was used by Jackson attorney Thomas Mundell as an example of big-ticket claims made by plaintiff F. Marc Schaffel that are not documented.

Schaffel, who worked with Jackson on various projects for three years, testified Wednesday that he got the $300,000 from one of his own accounts in Europe and was never fully repaid.

He testified Thursday that in the entire time he was with Jackson he loaned the pop star millions of dollars and never once got a receipt.

Outside court, Schaffel's lawyer, Howard King, disclosed that disputes over receipts, statutes of limitations and work agreements have led him to cut the claim against Jackson almost in half, eliminating costs that could not be documented or were too old to be claimed.

He said that the claim against Jackson is now $1.6 million rather than the original $3.8 million."Mr. Schaffel is an idiot for not getting receipts," said King. "I don't think he is going to be making loans of millions of dollars to stars any more."

In court, Mundell showed jurors enlargements of ledgers that Schaffel submitted and pointed out discrepancies in accounting.

Regarding the split of a payment from a Japanese record company that gave $200,000 each to Schaffel and Jackson, Mundell said, "Show the jury a bank statement in which that $200,000 appears.""We don't have it here," said Schaffel.

"There is no such entry, is there?" said Mundell.

Schaffel said there was but it was not on any of the documents shown in court. He also said he tried to subpoena a witness to the transaction. And in later questioning he said Jackson told him to keep the money off the books.

Concerning the $300,000 Schaffel said he delivered in South America to someone listed on his ledger as "Mr. X," Mundell asked if he had any documentary proof regarding the money.

Schaffel said he did and handed a paper to the lawyer. But after a private conference with the judge it was not shown to the jurors.

King said outside court that the paper was a withdrawal slip from a bank in Brazil.

Neither Schaffel nor King would comment on where the money went. King, however, has said outside court that the actual payment was not made in Brazil but to someone in Argentina.

Schaffel also testified under Mundell's questioning that when he and Jackson decided to work together the pop star gave him $2 million for use in the business and discussed making a charity record.
"He gave me the $2 million for the record and expenses and the situation I can't talk about," he said, referring to the $300,000.

Mundell asked if Jackson trusted him "to use that money appropriately" and Schaffel said yes.

The attorney pointed out that Jackson did not have checks for the account in which the money was deposited and never made a withdrawal, but that Schaffel did.

AP

Michael Jackson claims former associate concealed funds

Associated Press

LOS ANGELES - A former associate who is suing Michael Jackson for more than $3 million has been accused by the entertainer of concealing and misappropriating funds.

Jackson filed the cross-complaint against Marc Schaffel in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Oct. 18, his lawyer Brent Ayscough said Wednesday.

Schaffel filed the original lawsuit in November, claiming Jackson owes him $800,000 for producing two 2003 television specials and $2.3 million for payments and loans made to the entertainer over the past three years.

In the latest court filing, Jackson says Schaffel failed to pay costs related to the production of the Jackson song "What More Can I Give?" He also continued to represent himself as affiliated with Jackson after their business arrangement ended, according to the cross-complaint.

Jackson also claims Schaffel kept $250,000 in sculptures and paintings belonging to the singer.

Ayscough said Schaffel has tried to get a lien placed on Jackson's Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara County.

Schaffel's lawyer Howard King dismissed the entertainer's accusation, calling it "another ridiculous claim."

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/ent...nt/13006338.htm

Updated AP article:

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctime...te/14981554.htm

Jackson lawyer targets lack of documentation for money claims

LINDA DEUTSCH
Associated Press

SANTA MONICA, Calif. - A former associate suing Michael Jackson testified Thursday that he never got a receipt for a $300,000 payment he claims he delivered to a "Mr. X" in South America on the pop star's behalf.

The issue of the mysterious payment was used by Jackson attorney Thomas Mundell as an example of big-ticket claims made by plaintiff F. Marc Schaffel that are not documented.

Schaffel, who worked with Jackson on various projects for three years, testified Wednesday that the money was his and he was never fully repaid.

He testified Thursday that in the entire time he was with Jackson he loaned the pop star millions of dollars and never once got a receipt.

Outside court, Schaffel's lawyer, Howard King, disclosed that disputes over receipts, statutes of limitations and work agreements have led him to cut the claim against Jackson by more than half, to $1.6 million rather than the original $3.8 million.

"Mr. Schaffel is an idiot for not getting receipts," said King. "I don't think he is going to be making loans of millions of dollars to stars any more."

In court, Mundell showed enlargements of ledgers Schaffel submitted and pointed out discrepancies.

Concerning the $300,000 Schaffel said he delivered in South America to someone listed on his ledger as "Mr. X," Mundell asked if he had any documentary proof.

Schaffel said he did and handed a paper to the lawyer. But after a private conference with the judge it was not shown to the jurors.

King said outside court that the paper was a withdrawal slip from a bank in Brazil.

Later on the stand, Schaffel added more details, saying he initially took money from an account in Budapest to Brazil to buy a condo, but later withdrew it and at Jackson's request "delivered it to its final destination in Argentina."

Referring to the molestation charges Jackson was acquitted of last year, Schaffel added, "The criminal case was at hand and it was a sensitive time. It was a very, very private transaction of a very sensitive nature for Mr. Jackson. And I never imagined he would not pay it back to me."

Schaffel also testified that when he and Jackson decided to work together the pop star gave him $2 million for use in the business and discussed making a charity record.

Mundell pointed out that Jackson did not have checks for the account in which the money was deposited and never made a withdrawal, but that Schaffel did.

In testimony and a declaration read to the jury, Schaffel also told of loaning Jackson $500,000 after the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center. He said Jackson was initially stuck in New York, then took a bus across the country and called along the way, saying he needed the money to find shelter underground.

Schaffel said Jackson pulled up to his house in the bus and collected the cash.

Jackson's attorney challenged the story as a lie and noted there was a financial entry for $500,000 on Sept. 18 but it was just a transfer from one Schaffel account to another. Schaffel denied lying.

At day's end jurors were watching a videotaped deposition by Jackson, who will not testify in person.

He claimed a poor memory about his finances but recalled Schaffel as a man "who came to me with ideas."

Jackson said he became disenchanted with his new associate in November 2001 when someone gave him a video showing Schaffel directing an episode of a gay porn movie.

"What shocked me was that he was involved in that whole circle and I didn't know. It surprised me," he said.
 
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that Shapiro guy is a pathological liar :

first of all in the FBI files they did not say there was investigation into two Mexican boys claims in 1984, the files list a claim by a tabloid reporter in 1993 that the FBI investigated before in 1984, the file concluded there was nothing to investigate , they found nothing , these allegations were unfounded .


as for Terry phone call, he harassed mj for years , he once met hin in 1983 and became obsessed with him, Terry himself spoke about stalking mj and trying to contact him but MJ would not answer his phones , I thought a pedo would be more than willing to speak with his 'victim' .


shapiro claims both Jordan and Gavin described mj's private parts another complete lie, no where in court documents or in Gavin's testimony he described or tried to describe mj's penis , as for jordan , sneddon's motion is for everyone to read , he only list a one spot on the left side of mj's penis as evidence it matched , mj suffered from vitiliogo and had a spotted dick , that was no evidence whatever . Ask him why sneddon did not say the length matched , the colour matched , why did not he mention whether jordan said mj was circumcised and whether that was indeed true , mj had spots all over his body , all over his face , and all over his penis , they found MANY spots on his penis of different shades but sneddon mentioned in his motion " chandler said there was a spot we found one, so he saw it " not that it was THE ONLY ONE and we found it .


schaffel , taped all of his conversations with mj , they were published on GMA , if indeed he had any damaging evidence or mj ever asked him to deliver any money to mr.ex in south America , it would have been on tape or paper .

the guy sued for 3.5 millions and got a judgment of 900.000 including attorney's fees , and the judge left the way open for mj to continue with his lawsuits against him . but mj after that was busy with the mess Randy left him in and sued his own attorneys , not to do with schaffel but they were also stealing from him .



ask him also whether he is a relative of Bobby Shapiro , you know the other pathological liar , who Evan hired to defend him when he was accused of extortion by MJ .

I blame no one but Jonie Cochran for that settlement , that man cared about the money only , he destroyed MJ's life to satisfy his friends .
 
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Thanks for this. I was mystifyed by this guy who apparently plays a big part in Saphiro's turnaround of opinion. Or rather his line of work. I wanted to reply too but it's hard to respond to someone when their argument rests on something you don't know about. Anyway, I'm very glad to see that many more knowledgeable people have done a great job in laying down facts for this man. Ultimately, he isn't likely to change his views but at least he's been informed.
 
Yes, he was her friend.


They still are friends - they went to This Is It together, there was a clip.

link:
http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/marc-schaffel

I think Schaffel was originally introduced by Klein to MJ, just did some googling. Stacy Brown is one source for that, not a good one, but I think I read it some other places too.

DD did a couple of exposes with Paul Barresi about Mark Schaffel during the trial. They used to be on CTV, I would give the link, but they are no longer there. I still have them on tape. Barresi claimed that he was the one that originally exposed Schaffel, which caused him to be fired. I wonder who hired him for that job?

Schaffel guessed that Trudy Green, McClain & Mottola were against him according to RF. Kind of intersting since McClain & Green are both on the will signed in NY, & Mottola was called a "devilish & racist" by Michael at this time.

link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,57706,00.html

This reporter knew then that Mark Schaffel was the producer of "What More Can I Give?" But what happened after the story broke is now manifesting itself in the L.A. Times some nine months later. Talk about a gestation!
Green, Jackson's manager, and John McClain, Jackson's sometime manager who is, oddly, also an executive at DreamWorks Records, decided Schaffel had gotten too big for his britches. Not knowing him, but disliking him, Schaffel says the pair, along with Mottola, conspired to remove him from the project.
You'll see in Phillips' articles and another one on MTV.com that Schaffel "received a letter on Nov. 15 from Jackson's management and lawyers" releasing him from the project. The letter was from Green (who works for Howard Kaufman Management in Los Angeles). By this time, Schaffel counters, Jackson was so furious with Green following the poor release of Invincible that he wanted to remove her, not Schaffel, from his professional life. Green was acting on her own, and not for Jackson, when she sent the letter to Schaffel.
I spoke to Schaffel several times after Nov. 15 about "What More Can I Give?" I can assure you that he was still working with and for Michael Jackson right through February 2002. And he's still on the best of terms with him � much better terms than either Mottola or Green.
 
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ok now we know who told and convinced MJ to go against Sony , Branca and everyone back then , Schaffel, Weisner and Konitzer were behind everything back then , they did distance him from everyone,they encouraged him to do actions , release statements and accusations that made him HATED by many many powerful people in the industry and presented themselves as the only people who really cared about him, it was that period of his life that he was indeed controlled by drugs and seemed out of it all the time , a pornography gay producer, weisner the sex slaves links and clubs .....etc , when did MJ accept this kind of people as friends or associates before ? Everything is clear now .
was it a wrong decision by Sony and Mottola to try and get schaffel out of mj's life ? absolutely NO . was it a good decision that MJ went after everyone at that point and trusted Weizner, Konitzer and Schaffel because they were clearly the only people who supported him against the 'devils' ? absolutely NO.

and who was feeding him all these stories about a conspiracy against him launched by sony ? Schaffel, weizner and Konitzer , they even hired investigators and lawyers to find dirt on everyone that worked with mj at the time to taint them and convince mj they were 'bad people' and they were trying to get his assets.


after Sony offering to secure his loan in December 2007 and helping him get a great refinancing deal , after we got an evidence that Sony could get half of his share of the catalogue anytime back then and they did not , I can't no longer understand or believe Sony was trying to destroy him , it was a misunderstanding that was fueled by leeches like Schaffel, weizner and Konitzer. Sony did fire that asshole Mottola after mj protested , that was an indication , they did not want to upset MJ .
 
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I blame no one but Jonie Cochran for that settlement , that man cared about the money only , he destroyed MJ's life to satisfy his friends .

I also blame Johnny Cochran. I have heard that Johnny Cochran and Larry Feldman (Jordan Chandler's lawyer) were friends and came up with the out of court settlement deal as some sort of favor to each other (or one owed the other one a favor).
 
Weizman and Brett Fields REFUSED to settle the case , Brett Fields was collecting evidence against Evan since day one , and when Evan asked for 5 millions to produce a movie he wrote before he accused mj with anything Brett advised mj not to pay him a penny.

It was until cochran came into the picture that MJ was told he was hated by black people for changing his colour , and hated by white people because of the recent rodney king riots and cochran advised him it was better to settle and move on with his life .


Feldman was at some point Cochran's divorce lawyer , saved him millions of dollars so he owed him a favor , and when MJ's case came , he returned Feldman's favor . and Feldman got 5 millions from the settlement .





back to that asshole schaffel, during the trial he contacted Harvey Levin and offered to sell very "shocking and revealing tapes of jackson talking about boys and sex ...etc " to Harvey's show back then Celebrity justice for $ 1 Million DURING THE TRIAL , but Harvey did not pay WHY ? because all mj talks about was his loneliness and the frustration he had toward some of the people who were working for him , who were not sending him cash , plus some highly edited statements against jews that Good Morning America bought and published as an evidence MJ was anti Semitic . that was the only shocking and revealing statement back then, Harvey did not feel those statement worth 1 million at all .

MJ's lawyer even tried to contact Harvey and listed him as a witness during the trial with schaffel , but Harvey refused to be interviewed by the lawyer, and even posted an article and asked MJ's team to stop harassing him and he did not care about MJ and was not interested in defending or testifying in his defense .


Schaffel threatened MJ if he did not pay him before he even filed the suit, he would release the "shocking incriminating tapes" but MJ did not bother with him , then after he filed the suit, he kept threatening if he would not settle , he would release the tapes , then when the trial started , his attorney would , after the court day ended , gave a press conference and told the journalists jackson should have paid or Mr.Schaffel would be forced to talk about the very disturbing conversations with his client in which MJ talked about his sexual desires to young boys ...etc . ( It was on tapes before , now it was conversations not taped )
as was posted in the article , he withdraw the money from an account in Europe to buy a condo in South America , and wanted MJ to pay for it , he did not provide any evidence the money was paid to anyone , and did not present any evidence it had any relation to mj . He claimed he did not need documnetation because MJ was doing very shady things and paying people off and he had never believed he wouldnot be rewarded for what he did . That's how fucked up that man was , he was hinting he was paying parents of children to shut up , IN COURT , and kept tell jurors please don't ask me why, who and how , just trust me it had to do with molesting kids !!!!!!!

He took 4 millions from a Japanese company on behalf of mj and MJ never saw a penny .

He also created a new company with Neverland name and MJ had no relation to it and was making deals on behalf of mj all the time .
 
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This reporter knew then that Mark Schaffel was the producer of "What More Can I Give?" But what happened after the story broke is now manifesting itself in the L.A. Times some nine months later. Talk about a gestation!
Green, Jackson's manager, and John McClain, Jackson's sometime manager who is, oddly, also an executive at DreamWorks Records, decided Schaffel had gotten too big for his britches. Not knowing him, but disliking him, Schaffel says the pair, along with Mottola, conspired to remove him from the project.
You'll see in Phillips' articles and another one on MTV.com that Schaffel "received a letter on Nov. 15 from Jackson's management and lawyers" releasing him from the project. The letter was from Green (who works for Howard Kaufman Management in Los Angeles). By this time, Schaffel counters, Jackson was so furious with Green following the poor release of Invincible that he wanted to remove her, not Schaffel, from his professional life. Green was acting on her own, and not for Jackson, when she sent the letter to Schaffel.
I spoke to Schaffel several times after Nov. 15 about "What More Can I Give?" I can assure you that he was still working with and for Michael Jackson right through February 2002. And he's still on the best of terms with him � much better terms than either Mottola or Green.
Okay, let me get this straight. Did Michael ever actually get rid of Schaffel himself? So the letter issued to him on November 15th was not actually from Michael, but Green? This is where i'm confused. Didn't Michael release a statement saying that he had found out about Schaffel's background in gay pornography and did not agree with it so removed him from the "What More Can I Give?" project, along with no longer wanting to associate with him? Wasn't this Schaffel guy supposedly a danger to children, too? That's why i thought Michael had gotten rid of him.

It seems, from the information given above, that the letter/statement was never issued by Michael but issued by Green without him knowing. From that information, it appears that Michael did not know about his background until a later date. So, according to that, he never actually got rid of him in the first place thus never rehiring him - correct?
 
WOW, thanks guys.
so what about this, i thought it was about sony:

August 7-2006 :
In what could be one of the biggest conspiracies in entertainment history, documents have been sent to Michael Jackson, and his representatives, which reveal a deliberate plan by some former attorneys as well as associates and advisors, to force Mr. Jackson into involuntary bankruptcy.The documents reveal that former attorneys actively solicited other attorneys, vendors and creditors to “join in a petition to place the client in involuntary bankruptcy.”Mr. Jackson who, on June 27, 2006, announced sweeping organizational changes, has instructed his legal team to investigate and file claims against those responsible for conspiracy, bad faith, and self dealing. These efforts may also result in civil and/or criminal charges, where appropriate.In addition, there is a strong possibility that these documents will be forwarded to the U.S. Attorney General for review and possible involvement.“Mr. Jackson is neither shocked or surprised by these revelations,” says Raymone K. Bain, Michael Jackson’s General Manager. “Based on the timing of events that have impacted his personal and professional life in recent years,he has long been suspicious that some of those whom he entrusted to act on his behalf, and to advise him with respect to his personal and business affairs, may not have always acted in his best interests.”
 
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Don't know if this has been posted as I haven't read the whole thread, but there's a book called 'Hollywood Interrupted' which contains compelling info that Marc Schaffel was planning to extort Michael Jackson by planting child porn at his house.

Shapiro lifted one boring and irrelevant sentence from the book - something about Schaffel and MJ sharing a bank account - and used it to somehow support the notion that MJ molested children.

But the chapter in the book is actually about how MJ was a victim of Schaffel's, not a collaborator, and how Schaffel had infiltrated MJ's camp with the specific intention of planting evidence on him. The book attributes this information to a named, on-the-record source.

The book is quite homophobic. The chapter ends by saying parents were stupid for not being outraged that MJ's videographer was a former gay porn director. Why? Because years previously somebody filmed gay porn, that means they now shouldn't be allowed to film children? That is tantamount to saying all gay men are paedophiles. What about couples who film themselves having sex? That happens all the time. Should those couples not be allowed to make home movies with their kids in later years?

The book also makes a big deal about Schaffel's films including 'young looking' men. There is a world of difference between looking young and being underage. Young looking men are known as 'twinks' in the gay world - it's a whole genre. The book makes numerous questionable insinuations that Schaffel had filmed underage boys, but offers no evidence to corroborate the claim other than that he had directed 'young looking' men.

Anyway, the book includes a quote from an on-the-record former associate of Schaffel's saying that he infiltrated MJ's camp so he could extort $25million from him by planting child porn in his house.
 
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