LaToya Says She Has Experienced Miichael's Presence Since He's Been in the Afterlife (Video Link)

[CherubimII]

(I'm not sure where to post this.)
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-jackson-presence-after-death-video-interview
LaToya Jackson Says She Felt Michael’s Presence After His Death


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By Alexis Tereszcuk - Radar Senior Reporter
Two years after his death LaToya Jackson says she has felt her brother Michael’s presence and “it’s a good feeling.” In an exclusive interview with RadarOnline.com LaToya detailed her experience with Michael’s spirit and how it felt.


“I have felt his presence. You feel someone in the room and it’s amazing. It’s a good feeling,” she said, saying that while she didn’t actually see Michael she felt him.
Michael Jackson passed away on June 25, 2009 and his sister said she was at his house shortly after his death.

“The lights started blinking off and on and I said ‘Michael is that you?’” LaToya recalled. “I said ok, if that’s you I want you to blink the lights a certain amount of times and it happens and it stops and I kind of felt that his presence was still there because I could feel it.”

LaToya is the author of the new book Starting Over where she writes about her family, her abusive relationship with her ex and the new beginnings she’s had.


ASIDE:
I, personally, have also felt the presence of
Michael Jackson from the Afterlife.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

How does she know it's Michael's presence she felt?

 

[Rhilo]

^LMAO, maybe it's ex-hubby dearest?

 

[CherubimII]

How does she know it's Michael's presence she felt?

I knew. We are more than just this dimension in time and space.
The ancient civilizations were so much more aware than we are. :fortuneteller:

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

I knew. We are more than just this dimension in time and space.
The ancient civilizations were so much more aware than we are. :fortuneteller:

That is the problem actually. If we are so much than "just this" in time and space, the "just this" is incompatible with the outside of this dimension and time.

The "just this" (thus we) can't know and are incapable of dealing with other than "just this in time and space".

 

[Courtney]

I believe this. When you experience something like that, you just know. There's no other way to explain it. It's all about what you believe in, too.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

I believe this. When you experience something like that, you just know. There's no other way to explain it. It's all about what you believe in, too.

If you believe this, then you can also believe in the possibility that there is a deceiver who leads you to believe this. How would you know about anything that is supposedly beyond your dimension and time?

 

[Ape]

I felt my dad around after his death. I know it sounds kooky but it happened. Whether that's just strong memory of them or actual spirit is debatable I suppose. It happened once before to me when I was 7 and my dog ran away. I dreamt a dream so real about her & I think she had wings. I think after that dream my mom told me dogs will sometimes run away to die because they don't want you sad. Now looking back, she probably just died and my parents told us she ran away because that's easier to handle than "she died". Point is, at the time of the dream, I didn't know she was dead and the dream felt so real. She was just laying in the corner of my room all peaceful & serene. With my dad it was strong right after for the first month, maybe longer, but got less and less. Now it's rare. There were strong coincidences during those times and things that happened. In Hawaii a month later I went into an antique shop and the shop clerk & I got talking. Turns out he's been learning about afterlife for years & while we were talking, this big piece of fluff came in the door and floated around me a bit kind of hovering there then went on. He said "that's him. That's your dad letting you know he's ok and he's here with you." lol of course I wanted to believe that but thought he was just grasping at straws. Then he took me on a tour to see his baby bunnies to hold one (they were adorable) and it was the same type of bunnies my dad and I had for the year I lived with him as a teen. We walked past this dresser & he stopped, looked at this thing on it, picked it up and said "you know what? I live in this place at night when shop is closed up so I know this store inside out and that was not here before. I think your dad wants me to give this to you." then I felt disappointed because I thought he was all fake (though with good intentions) because all it was was this medallion with two dolphins on it all in blue. I didn't remember any significance with my dad and dolphins. It was my brother who was with him on his boat when the dolphins swam off the bow of it & followed them a while. I wasn't there when that happened.

Dad died in June and in September when we had his memorial in Bc I was cleaning out his truck he had parked at my cousins and it was a mess of stuff buy it contained everything he owned other than what was in his boat. In that truck I found two pillow cases in a laundry basket of his clothes and on those cases were the same dolphins from that medallion. Same colour and everything. I kind of thought they looked tacky but it did make that little medallion more meaningful to me.

That was just one thing that happened for me out of many (though rare now) that makes me able to read this without thinking about how rediculous it sounds. It's a comfort. They really are still here somehow. Still somewhere anyways & able to visit I think. I don't know how it works or if after a time they do have to leave or what.. & maybe it's God giving us that comfort somehow. He knows us all so well, but maybe it could also be Gods gift to us while we grieve.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

(I'm not sure where to post this.)
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-jackson-presence-after-death-video-interview
LaToya Jackson Says She Felt Michael’s Presence After His Death


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By Alexis Tereszcuk - Radar Senior Reporter
Two years after his death LaToya Jackson says she has felt her brother Michael’s presence and “it’s a good feeling.” In an exclusive interview with RadarOnline.com LaToya detailed her experience with Michael’s spirit and how it felt.


“I have felt his presence. You feel someone in the room and it’s amazing. It’s a good feeling,” she said, saying that while she didn’t actually see Michael she felt him.
Michael Jackson passed away on June 25, 2009 and his sister said she was at his house shortly after his death.

“The lights started blinking off and on and I said ‘Michael is that you?’” LaToya recalled. “I said ok, if that’s you I want you to blink the lights a certain amount of times and it happens and it stops and I kind of felt that his presence was still there because I could feel it.”

LaToya is the author of the new book Starting Over where she writes about her family, her abusive relationship with her ex and the new beginnings she’s had.


ASIDE:
I, personally, have also felt the presence of
Michael Jackson from the Afterlife.

Too funny, just a week ago I was wondering to a friend if she's able to pick up on him. Question answered.

And good for you, Cherubim! unk:

Many, many have felt him. That glorious MJ. :wub: Doing what he does best. Pouring out his love.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

I felt my dad around after his death. I know it sounds kooky but it happened. Whether that's just strong memory of them or actual spirit is debatable I suppose. It happened once before to me when I was 7 and my dog ran away. I dreamt a dream so real about her & I think she had wings. With my dad it was strong right after for the first month, maybe longer, but got less and less. Now it's rare. There were strong coincidences during those times and things that happened. In Hawaii a month later I went into an antique shop and the shop clerk & I got talking. Turns out he's been learning about afterlife for years & while we were talking, this big piece of fluff came in the door and floated around me a bit kind of hovering there then went on. He said "that's him. That's your dad letting you know he's ok and he's here with you." lol of course I wanted to believe that but thought he was just grasping at straws. Then he took me on a tour to see his baby bunnies to hold one (they were adorable) and it was the same type of bunnies my dad and I had for the year I lived with him as a teen. We walked past this dresser & he stopped, looked at this thing on it, picked it up and said "you know what? I live in this place at night when shop is closed up so I know this store inside out and that was not here before. I think your dad wants me to give this to you." then I felt disappointed because I thought he was all fake (though with good intentions) because all it was was this medallion with two dolphins on it all in blue. I didn't remember any significance with my dad and dolphins. It was my brother who was with him on his boat when the dolphins swam off the bow of it & followed them a while. I wasn't there when that happened.

Dad died in June and in September when we had his memorial in Bc I was cleaning out his truck he had parked at my cousins and it was a mess of stuff buy it contained everything he owned other than what was in his boat. In that truck I found two pillow cases in a laundry basket of his clothes and on those cases were the same dolphins from that medallion. Same colour and everything. I kind of thought they looked tacky but it did make that little medallion more meaningful to me.

That was just one thing that happened for me out of many (though rare now) that makes me able to read this without thinking about how rediculous it sounds. It's a comfort. They really are still here somehow. Still somewhere anyways & able to visit I think. I don't know how it works or if after a time they do have to leave or what.. & maybe it's God giving us that comfort somehow. He knows us all so well, but maybe it could also be Gods gift to us while we grieve.

Ape, why would that sound kooky? It's your experience and that doesn't depend on anyone else understanding it, and it doesn't require anyone's approval either.

'Synchronicity' is a funny thing. Sometimes it will take you AGES to that figure out- they know that over there... and sometimes you know right away. The thing is that YOU will know, because these little synchronicities mean only something to you. And, sometimes you will only understand the synchronicity, the little hello, because you didn't know something previously. They are aware of that- and then you 'learn' something (i.e. you cleaned out the truck)- and because of that 'learning' you are able to make that mental connection. You weren't there on the boat, so you thought the dolphins weren't 'for you'. But your dad found another way to tell you something else in another way- think about it for a second. I don't know what the family dynamics where, but it looks like he was trying to tell you something else by telling you something that you thought off having been 'not part off'. There are usually many layers to this, more than in our limited 3D world.

We are permanently surrounded by those we love- some we knew and loved in this life, others we never knew. Not just God, but we are truly never alone.

How precious that medallion now is, and those pillow cases.

One thing to remember is that those we love are no longer off the physical, so they can only 'work' the physical world so much. That is why these synchronicities are so important, it is their way to show you that they might not be physical anymore, but that they didn't stop caring.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

All I am saying do not jump to conclusions that easily as people are usually vulnerable when they lose someone close. Don't exclude the possibility of deception, but of course everyone believes what they want.

 

[CherubimII]

All I am saying do not jump to conclusions that easily as people are usually vulnerable when they lose someone close. Don't exclude the possibility of deception, but of course everyone believes what they want.

Hamlet:
And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Hamlet Act 1, scene 5 by William Shakespeare

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Hamlet Act 1, scene 5 by William Shakespeare

We are supposed to feel extradimensional presence and use Shakespeare as a reference, yet we are unable to watch the simple our-dimensional object such as the sun with our bear eye?

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

<cite>Hamlet Act 1, scene 5 by William Shakespeare</cite>

“It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive.” C.W. Leadbeater

Another really good one...

“Refusal to believe until proof is given is a rational position; denial of all outside of our own limited experience is absurd”
Annie Besant

Apparently it is a fine line between refusal and denial.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

We are supposed to feel extradimensional presence and use Shakespeare as a reference, yet we are unable to watch the simple our-dimensional object such as the sun with our bear eye?

You kinda answered your own question. If we are unable to watch such 'real' things as the physical sun with our own eyes- imagine the difficulty of 'seeing' non-physical realities.

Most people cannot see on a molecular level either, yet we're still not done discovering our physical 'make-up'.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

&#8220;It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive.&#8221; C.W. Leadbeater

Another really good one...

&#8220;Refusal to believe until proof is given is a rational position; denial of all outside of our own limited experience is absurd&#8221;
Annie Besant

Apparently it is a fine line between refusal and denial.

I think I was misunderstood. I said if we admit that there is an extradimensional realm, then the issue is not to accept its reality, but the issue is that right now and right here in our dimension and space with our limited intelligence (based on the perception of our dimension) we are unable to detect if the "contact" or the "feeling" is a positive one (really Michael?) or a negative one (something/someone who wants to deceive us in believing it is Michael?).

Hence, my question how do we know?

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

e

I think I was misunderstood. I said if we admit that there is an extradimensional realm, then the issue is not to accept its reality, but the issue is that right now and right here in our dimension and space with our limited intelligence (based on the perception of our dimension) we are unable to detect if the "contact" or the "feeling" is a positive one (really Michael?) or a negative one (something/someone who wants to deceive us in believing it is Michael?).

Hence, my question how do we know?

Okay, who is 'we'? The person having the experience is saying it's a 'positive' one. Meaning, that is her perception as far as she is able to perceive it. That is her experience and up to her.

For example the OP of this thread resonated with the statement that yes, it is possible to experience Michael.

Careful on the 'we'. 'We' as a whole can't sign a manifesto for the truth/untruth of a statement.
Only singular individuals can either speak for their own experience or they can say they resonate with someone's account. That's all.

You also cannot vouch for anyone else's experience, that is correct. You and I cannot establish that fact for LaToya Jackson or anyone, for that matter. That is something only they can do for themselves- and that either resonates with you, or it doesn't.

In the same manner though you cannot establish for her that it is not her brother whom she is experiencing.

Heck, two people in a relationship experience the same relationship from more than 4 angles, depending on 'good' vs. 'bad' times. But yet the all seem to talk about the same relationship.

Think of youtube videos. The same 'hoax death' video seems compelling to one, while the next says WTF is this. Differences in perception and resonation based on many, many factors.
Or the popular battle ground of 'vocal authenticities"...

Difficult, ain't it?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

e

Okay, who is 'we'? The person having the experience is saying it's a 'positive' one. Meaning, that is her perception as far as she is able to perceive it. That is her experience and up to her.

For example the OP of this thread resonated with the given account because of his/her own experience, stating that she/he as well has experienced Michael.

Careful on the 'we'. 'We' as a whole can't sign a manifesto for the truth/untruth of a statement.
Only singular individuals can say they resonate with someone's account. That's all.

You also cannot vouch for anyone else's experience, that is correct. You and I cannot establish that fact for LaToya Jackson or anyone, for that matter. That is something only they can do. In the same manner though you cannot establish for her that it is not her brother whom she is experiencing.

We = human beings.

I am talking about the possibility of being deceived, as all human beings are imperfect.

I am not vouching for personal belief. I said everyone believes what they want. I was talking about general truth.
General truth is: we (human beings) eat, drink, or we die if we don't do those things. likewise not a single human being is able to watch the sun with their bear eye without damaging the eye. It's a fact.

As we human beings are not perfect we are unable to judge if the supposed extradimensional experience is really a positive one or a trick making us believe it is positive. Believing that it's positive is one thing, knowing that is positive is another and impossible to claim as we don't know much, actually anything, about afterlife.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

We = human beings.

...Believing that it's positive is one thing, knowing that is positive is another and impossible to claim as we don't know much, actually anything, about afterlife.

You're speaking from your viewpoint. Others not only 'believe' things about the afterlife, but they can see what to you might be invisible. To them your statement of 'we actually don't know anything' is as 'unreal' as their statement is to you.

You can know, but you cannot know vicariously. People won't be able to do that for you, you will have to do that for yourself.

Again, you include 'human beings' in your statement. Yes, I won't be able to look at the sun without causing damage to my physical eye, but your statement that 'we' neither know, nor see, is not correct. You cannot speak for others in this regard. Only for yourself. Questions and answers like these have been part of mankind since we literally existed, therefore categorically stating that 'we don't know anything, really' is simply incorrect.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

You're speaking from your viewpoint. Others not only 'believe' things about the afterlife, but they can see what to you might be invisible. To them your statement of 'we actually don't know anything' is as 'unreal' as their statement is to you.

You can know, but you cannot know vicariously. People won't be able to do that for you, you will have to do that for yourself.

Again, you include 'human beings' in your statement. Yes, I won't be able to look at the sun without causing damage to my physical eye, but your statement that 'we' neither know, nor see, is not correct. You cannot speak for others in this regard. Only for yourself. And you wouldn't speak for me either, which is why I took such issue with 'we'.

How do you know if the afterlife to me is invisible?

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

How do you know if the afterlife to me is invisible?

You are quite correct to ask me that- which is why I wrote 'might be invisible to you'.
I don't know, but I would allow for either possibility- and a third one at least.
Therefore I would have to allow for the possibility of person A to be able to perceive things that person B doesn't not currently perceive. You might be able to see things, or you might not. Or, you might have the ability, but you're blocking it. There a ton of answers to that question, actually.

I would hope though that my willingness to simply say that I don't know if you are able to see someone's etheric or astral body will not be interpreted as 'weak point'. Your statement of 'we don't know anything about the afterlife' would however not come from someone who sees Michael Jackson dangle off a roof with a grin.

It's not up to me to come to any kind of judgement on your behalf and your abilities, you are quite correct. I'm simply engaging in a discussion with you why 'we' is such difficult way of establishing who might 'know' something and who doesn't.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

You are quite correct to ask me that. I don't know. Therefore I would have to allow for the possibility of person A to be able to perceive things that person B doesn't not perceive. You might be able to see things, or you might not. Or, you might have the ability, but you're blocking it. There a ton of answers to that question, actually.

I would hope though that my willingness to simply say that I don't know if you are able to see someone's etheric or astral body will not be interpreted as 'weak point'. Your statement of 'we don't know anything about the afterlife' would however not come from someone who sees Michael Jackson dangle off a roof with a grin.

It's not up to me to come to any kind of judgement on your behalf and your abilities, you are quite correct. I'm simply engaging in a discussion with you why 'we' is such difficult way of establishing who might 'know' something and who doesn't.

I said it because we all can have different perceptions on the afterlife upon which we might not agree. That's actually why I was simply saying to be cautious. In other words, individually we might know things from our own perception, but when all the perceptions are put together we realize that because of too many different perceptions we don't know everything. I was neither lecturing nor stating to speak in the names of others, hence I said we can only know what we believe in, and it wouldn't be cautious to believe what only we know without taking into consideration what others know (or believe). Tricky, huh? .

 

[Ape]

Looks like they said "might be", so it's all good. Is the afterlife invisible to you? It's invisible to me but then, I suppose the world is invisible to blind people yet they know it exists. Some people will debate even that. How do we know it exsists? The Matrix movie did a wonderful job of exploring that question. How do we know? I don't know. Does it matter? If it's a positive experience, how do we know if it is truly a positive experience? Isn't it "we will know by it's fruit"? If you have a wonderful marriage for years, but it ends in divorce do we discount the entire marriage? Was it all bad? Sometimes it feels that way. Sometimes it is almost impossible to remember anything good about it after divorce. Then suddenly all the reasons why you fell in love in the first place come back to you when they die. You remember that they weren't all bad. You even miss them and mourne them. It happened to LMP, it happened to my mom, I'm sure it has happened to many others. Life would be horrible to live if every part of it were questioned. How could anything be enjoyed? Sometimes, whether we know the outcome of something or not, we have to allow ourselves the chance to enjoy it or just experience it without questioning the purpose or reality of it. Imagine marrying someone with the thought of the possibility of divorce always being on your mind or the thought of eventually losing them (ei: death) "what if?" you would never allow yourself to get close enough to another to ever fully experience love. Sometimes living means taking a leap of faith to believe. Believe the impossible. If you were wrong, at least you did your best with all you've been given.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Looks like they said "might be", so it's all good. Is the afterlife invisible to you? It's invisible to me but then, I suppose the world is invisible to blind people yet they know it exists. Some people will debate even that. How do we know it exsists? The Matrix movie did a wonderful job of exploring that question. How do we know? I don't know. Does it matter? If it's a positive experience, how do we know if it is truly a positive experience? Isn't it "we will know by it's fruit"? If you have a wonderful marriage for years, but it ends in divorce do we discount the entire marriage? Was it all bad? Sometimes it feels that way. Sometimes it is almost impossible to remember anything good about it after divorce. Then suddenly all the reasons why you fell in love in the first place come back to you when they die. You remember that they weren't all bad. You even miss them and mourne them. It happened to LMP, it happened to my mom, I'm sure it has happened to many others. Life would be horrible to live if every part of it were questioned. How could anything be enjoyed? Sometimes, whether we know the outcome of something or not, we have to allow ourselves the chance to enjoy it or just experience it without questioning the purpose or reality of it. Imagine marrying someone with the thought of the possibility of divorce always being on your mind or the thought of eventually losing them (ei: death) "what if?" you would never allow yourself to get close enough to another to ever fully experience love. Sometimes living means taking a leap of faith to believe. Believe the impossible. If you were wrong, at least you did your best with all you've been given.

If we don't see the afterlife it's for a good reason. No one would remain in this (our) dimension.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

I said it because we all can have different perceptions on the afterlife upon which we might not agree. That's actually why I was simply saying to be cautious. In other words, individually we might know things from our own perception, but when all the perceptions are put together we realize that because of too many different perceptions we don't know everything. I was neither lecturing nor stating to speak in the names of others, hence I said we can only know what we believe in, and it wouldn't be cautious to believe what only we know without taking into consideration what others know (or believe). Tricky, huh? .

:cheeky:

Glad you're allowing for the possibility that some might know and see the the afterlife. :rofl:

It's not about 'we' know in those instances, either.
Just because others are on the religious guilt trip for example that explicitly forbids them such perceptions as demonic fakes, or because someone else thinks it's deception, doesn't nullify others positive experience. Hence the difficulty in 'we'.

You can't ever let others hold you back because of their current experiences and thoughts on a matter.

"We" doesn't matter. The non-perception of my neighbor and his stance that this is all demonic deception does in no way change my VERY positive perception.

Also, what you consider 'we don't know everything' (who said 'everything'??? I'm not God or the Absoluteness, sheeez. I thought this was about knowing if it's Michael, or my deceased grandmother who's standing next to me- and without sounding arrogant, I think I know the difference :rofl::rofl:, so 'we' doesn't help a whole lot...)

And I certain can acknowledge the tireless work of countless philosophers, mystics and so forth who battled these questions since we came to express 'US' as mankind.

Anyway, back to LaToya Jackson- good for her and Michael.

 

[Ape]

You're probably right lol. I'll share this little thing. Not long after dad died, I felt him there with me. it was like I was able to feel his emotions and what I felt was an overwhelming love and peace, but then concern for me. To me that was a gift so I wouldn't worry or feel sad for him but be happy for him. I'm sad for myself and my kids that they don't get to spend more time with him because for us here having someone in person is just better than not. But he really IS in a better place and someday I will join him, but not today.

 

[Ape]

I just imagined you asking "how do you know it's not
Today?" and I'd answer that I don't, but I'm just trusting it's not so I can go out and enjoy my Canada day. :-D

(I enjoyed this discussion btw. Have a nice day you guys)

 

[Lisha]

I can understand what Bumper Snippet is saying, or the point he is making (um, are you a guy?).
Somethings just end up being non-communicable when speaking of things involving a spiritual truth or dynamic.

If one believes in both God, the Creator, and His enemy, the devil, then one has to remember that Satan cannot create, he can only duplicate, copy, or counterfeit. Nothing can be copied, duplicated, or counterfeited unless there is an "original" to copy.

If God gets through to the spiritually sensitive, if he can give someone a "knowing" about something, an experience that is unexplanable or a strong feeling or leading..then that means the countefeiter will try to do that as well.

This is what Bumper Snippet is addressing and warning others about.

Can your experience be from God? Yes. But be aware of the counterfeiter and his wiles. Talking directly especially to spirits is making one open...so be careful. Test the spirits (meaning don't just automatically think they are from God), that's advice straight from the Bible.

By Alexis Tereszcuk - Radar Senior Reporter
&#8220;I have felt his presence. You feel someone in the room and it&#8217;s amazing. It&#8217;s a good feeling,&#8221; she said, saying that while she didn&#8217;t actually see Michael she felt him.

I know what she is talking about here, for I just had a similar experience a few nights ago, where I felt the Lord come upon me (similar to what I feel when someone I'm connected with is praying for me) when I was in a large room and immediately I found myself asking The Lord (talking directly to God in my mind), "I feel Michael, Lord, he's here, isn't he, I feel him, I know it's him." In fact, it was so strong that I found myself looking this was and that in the room as if I was going to find him standing somewhere looking at me with a mischeivious look on his face. Haha.

As far as La Toya speaking of lights blinking off and on, that is a common story one might hear from other accounts of psychic type experiences....I'm not psychic in the least. But when God chooses to get through to me, I stay open to that and He gets through. All glory to Him.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

I just imagined you asking "how do you know it's not
Today?" and I'd answer that I don't, but I'm just trusting it's not so I can go out and enjoy my Canada day. :-D

(I enjoyed this discussion btw. Have a nice day you guys)

I would hope for you it wouldn't be today, so that you can enjoy your day. Happy Canada Day!

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

:cheeky:

Glad you're allowing for the possibility that some might know and see the the afterlife. :rofl:

Well, the subject is extremely subjective, isn't it?

It's not about 'we' know in those instances, either.
Just because others are on the religious guilt trip for example that explicitly forbids them such perceptions as demonic fakes, or because someone else thinks it's deception, doesn't nullify others positive experience. Hence the difficulty in 'we'.



You can't ever let others hold you back because of their current experiences and thoughts on a matter.

"We" doesn't matter. The non-perception of my neighbor and his stance that this is all demonic deception does in no way change my VERY positive perception.

Also, what you consider 'we don't know everything' (who said 'everything'??? I'm not God or the Absoluteness, sheeez. I thought this was about knowing if it's Michael, or my deceased grandmother who's standing next to me- and without sounding arrogant, I think I know the difference :rofl::rofl:, so 'we' doesn't help a whole lot...)

And I certain can acknowledge the tireless work of countless philosophers, mystics and so forth who battled these questions since we came to express 'US' as mankind.

Anyway, back to LaToya Jackson- good for her and Michael.

I think everything is linked. The religions might be dogmatic, but they deal with same subjects : the unkown, the unseen, the afterlife, etc.

The thing is that many people are misled to believe that "demoniac" experience means a negative experience. If demoniac experiences exist, they are probably of deceptive nature, hence sensed as "positive" because extremely seducing. I think it's worth not forgetting that.