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GinnyJackson

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Is there a lack of faith in Michael? Is there people on these Michael Jackson forums who dont want Michael to put out anything new? Kinda makes me wonder why some forums for Michael are open,.... Does anyone understand that Michael doesnt do anything halfassed or doesnt do anything until HE is ready? Seems that i am to opinionated when it comes to this.... We will get a new album when he is ready to give it. We dont know what he does in his home behind closed doors, he could be getting ready to suprise us with a new single... We will never know but we have to have Faith in Michael if we are truely his fans.

I cant believe the lack of faith... Its heartbreaking really... Its like people have turned their backs on him and want nothing to do with him anymore... Have any of you though of what michael might be feeling about the album and or tour? Do you wonder if hes nervous about them? Do you wonder if he thinks that if he puts out an album and does a tour that no one will like or pay to see him? Im sorry for offending anyone but this is my opinion and i hope that you agree with some points.

Keep The Faith....
 
Hey Ginny,
I do indeed agree with some of your points.

Just try not to generalize too much please cuz I think fan forums are mainly open for fans (probably also for lazy tabloid journalists) and as a matter of fact all of us are pretty different in a way then again pretty similar in the way that we do have a huge interest for Michael Jackson.

My faith in Michael is unbroken.

But we're all pretty different in expressing our faith and probably we also do have really faith different in degree.
Some of us are posting the pretty same stuff again and again... some of us do not post much at all. That doesn't mean those posting must have more faith in Michael.

There are doubts in everyone... some allow them to come to a surface... some push them away... some discuss them to get rid of them or just to think them through for that they can't win against faith?! That should be all allowed if you ask me... we are different.
I think ppl who feel secure in what they believe are always able to express their belief with some serenity. They are able to discuss doubts because they've thought them through and doubts do not scare them because of their faith.

See maybe I'm a pretty different fan because I'm not that much waiting for something new. I'm more that kind of fan who's enjoying what's all out there already. I'm more the type celebrating what's already history. Honestly I do not wonder what Michael is actually doing or really thinking. Also and I hope that doesn't offend anyone... I don't care really what he's saying. I am not someone giving too much for promises in general. I do my choices independant from what ppl are saying... words are only words. Ppl should do what they wanna do without too much talking... but ok then again I understand that's business in the entertainment world.
Yes I do wish him happiness of no end. But I'm not wondering if and when he will come out with something new. If he will, that will be great wow... a nice gift but I can as good live without him ever coming out with something new again and I'll not like him or his music less then.

See as a matter of fact faith is fading often when there's many words and not really lots of action. Sometimes lots of it comes back with the action later then. But if action doesn't follow lots of words ppl do lose faith.
That's not a Michael Jackson thing, that is a general thing.

But you are right... faith is not something you need in easy times... it's something which helps you to hold on and move on in difficult times. Then again I personally do not feel these times too difficult... the trial was difficult... this is nothing. But well as I said, I'm just not that much the 'waiting type of fan' and I do have lots of understanding for ppl feeling different.
 
hey ginny i get where you're coming from and it used to bug me, but you know i've just gotten to the point where i pretty much ignore the doom n gloom posters. when Michael comes out with his ass kicking new music it'll shut them up for a day or so til they come out and start their criticizing that its not enough of this or that or they wanted something else from him. no matter what they are gonna have some bs to post, so i just don't even worry over them anymore. as mechi said too, those might not even be fans, but just lazy tabloid reporters who like to stir the shit to watch all of us circle and attack, kindof a game, if you will? to tell you the truth, it's tired and boring now. they can play, but i dont have to play with them, and if its upsetting you, you don't either. just let it roll off. take care (hugs)
 
GinnyJackson said:
Is there a lack of faith in Michael? Is there people on these Michael Jackson forums who dont want Michael to put out anything new? Kinda makes me wonder why some forums for Michael are open,.... Does anyone understand that Michael doesnt do anything halfassed or doesnt do anything until HE is ready? Seems that i am to opinionated when it comes to this.... We will get a new album when he is ready to give it. We dont know what he does in his home behind closed doors, he could be getting ready to suprise us with a new single... We will never know but we have to have Faith in Michael if we are truely his fans.

I cant believe the lack of faith... Its heartbreaking really... Its like people have turned their backs on him and want nothing to do with him anymore... Have any of you though of what michael might be feeling about the album and or tour? Do you wonder if hes nervous about them? Do you wonder if he thinks that if he puts out an album and does a tour that no one will like or pay to see him? Im sorry for offending anyone but this is my opinion and i hope that you agree with some points.

Keep The Faith....
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Ginny, I hear what you're saying. Yet, we must be careful not to criticize fans who think differently or who're discouraged. Instead, it's important to be supportive of the variety in opinions because everyone has a right to what he/she feels. In other words, we should be understanding of those who have become discouraged. Some are fans who have been around for a long time and realize that this is NOT Michael's usual pattern of production of new stuff. Some are new fans hoping that something new will happen, and then eventually, not hoping so much?

Michael has endured what would devastate most people. The trial, the financial probems (the many lawsuits). Yet, I'm among those who think he WILL return, on his own schedule.

There is an argument that crops up on the board from time-to-time, which is, "Who is a better fan?" This pits fans AGAINST one-another and isn't productive. Having "faith" is great. I have it too. But yet, we should understand the frustration or fear of others. And when Michael "returns?" I have no doubt that the fans WILL be there.. .. . they will always be there.

peace,

Victoria
 
:no: i am not saying i am a bigger fan then anyone else here. Im simply saying that the lack of faith In Michael from fans seems to puzzle me. Im saying it seems that SOME fans dont want anything new or they think he is not capable of anything new,tour or otherwise. I know that what we are getting are rumors from people who want to get us excited but one of these days those wont be rumors anymore.

Like i said... Think of how Michael is feeling about this album and tour talk... all im saying.
 
Ginny, I DO understand. I really don't think it's a case of fans not wanting anything new, though. Maybe they are just preparing themselves to be ok, if there ISN'T anything new? We have forty years of wonderful music and videos already. Some fans are satisfied with that? See Mechi's post, above?

As far as talk of a tour, album, and so on, certainly the older fans are used to promises where Michael seems to have a different. . and longer. . . time-frame than what folks might think or even hope for? We have plenty of music and vids to enjoy. As far as promises of a tour and album, only time will tell if/when that will happen, despite Michael's good intentions. As always, he'll do what he will do, WHEN he's ready to do it. Might be next year. Might be. . . . later. No way to know.

Keep the faith,

Vic
 
Mechi said:
Hey Ginny,
I do indeed agree with some of your points.

Just try not to generalize too much please cuz I think fan forums are mainly open for fans (probably also for lazy tabloid journalists) and as a matter of fact all of us are pretty different in a way then again pretty similar in the way that we do have a huge interest for Michael Jackson.

My faith in Michael is unbroken.

But we're all pretty different in expressing our faith and probably we also do have really faith different in degree.
Some of us are posting the pretty same stuff again and again... some of us do not post much at all. That doesn't mean those posting must have more faith in Michael.

There are doubts in everyone... some allow them to come to a surface... some push them away... some discuss them to get rid of them or just to think them through for that they can't win against faith?! That should be all allowed if you ask me... we are different.
I think ppl who feel secure in what they believe are always able to express their belief with some serenity. They are able to discuss doubts because they've thought them through and doubts do not scare them because of their faith.

See maybe I'm a pretty different fan because I'm not that much waiting for something new. I'm more that kind of fan who's enjoying what's all out there already. I'm more the type celebrating what's already history. Honestly I do not wonder what Michael is actually doing or really thinking. Also and I hope that doesn't offend anyone... I don't care really what he's saying. I am not someone giving too much for promises in general. I do my choices independant from what ppl are saying... words are only words. Ppl should do what they wanna do without too much talking... but ok then again I understand that's business in the entertainment world.
Yes I do wish him happiness of no end. But I'm not wondering if and when he will come out with something new. If he will, that will be great wow... a nice gift but I can as good live without him ever coming out with something new again and I'll not like him or his music less then.

See as a matter of fact faith is fading often when there's many words and not really lots of action. Sometimes lots of it comes back with the action later then. But if action doesn't follow lots of words ppl do lose faith.
That's not a Michael Jackson thing, that is a general thing.

But you are right... faith is not something you need in easy times... it's something which helps you to hold on and move on in difficult times. Then again I personally do not feel these times too difficult... the trial was difficult... this is nothing. But well as I said, I'm just not that much the 'waiting type of fan' and I do have lots of understanding for ppl feeling different.
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if you are talking about MJ's music...i don't agree with the bolded.
it's like sitting in a chair or eating something that, for you, has been the most delicious thing you have ever had. you continue with it, without thinking about it....the possibility that the chair may break under you, never enters your mind. i think, lol..there may have been a generalisation there, with the bolded.

at least for me.

because...all of MJ's music has been the creme of the crop, to me. so..it's like sitting in the chair. i have no doubt about it. and, until MJ comes up with something that is below the grandest tasting thing, in my view...i have no doubts. it doesn't matter how MJ goes about doing it..and how long it takes. the media can whine forever about Michael reportedly investing thirty million dollars in Invincible and their lies about a lesser return. the quiet hard time-befriended evidence speaks for itself. i see nothing but posts about fans who showed the album to non fans, who didn't know it was Michael's music, and were all instantly converted and bought the album. my fifteen copies of the album, are evidence. and i don't get why people say that others relate to them on every other subject in life..but they refuse to admit they all can relate in music that they buy. if the whole world sits up and takes notice when there is news about MJ..(and they do take notice) then they can relate enough that if all these reports of purchases of Invincible are reported(and they were) then, a substantial sizeable part of the world (that can relate) have purchaed the album quietly in their privacy. the return on the investment was worth the investment. we don't live in a tunnel. everybody who has complained about the album has either bought a copy first(how could they lambast it without hearing it all first)or, almost all of them have, or have contributed to a rotation of one or more songs from it, that gave it the kaching that it needed.

in a nutshell, the whole world reacts to him, so, that can be likened to faith. the true definition of doubt is indifference. there ain't none of that with MJ. IMO lol :D :lol:
 
VncWilliam, interesting post! Love the chair-analogy.

And this -- "in a nutshell, the whole world reacts to him, so, that can be likened to faith. the true definition of doubt is indifference. there ain't none of that with MJ. IMO lol :D :lol:

At least there is that. I know of NO ONE who is indifferent to Michael!
 
I was talking about general doubt in a person.

When it's about Michael there's a lot of doubts imaginable for me... just the doubt if he'll come out with an album or not... or when he'll come out with an album if ever... or will this album be what it's expected this or that way... will it go to the top right away... etc. I could imagine some of these doubts/questions are even going around in Michaels mind.

While nothing of that is really a question on my mind... cuz I do not mind too much about what could might come, as there IS already so much, well as I said.
Still I do have some understanding where such doubts are might coming from.

Doubts in his music... lol nope... I guess that's not why we're all here cuz we do have doubts in his music.
There's not much sense to doubt what's already fact.
 
Mechi said:
I was talking about general doubt in a person.

When it's about Michael there's a lot of doubts imaginable for me... just the doubt if he'll come out with an album or not... or when he'll come out with an album if ever... or will this album be what it's expected this or that way... will it go to the top right away... etc. I could imagine some of these doubts/questions are even going around in Michaels mind.

While nothing of that is really a question on my mind... cuz I do not mind too much about what could might come, as there IS already so much, well as I said.
Still I do have some understanding where such doubts are might coming from.

Doubts in his music... lol nope... I guess that's not why we're all here cuz we do have doubts in his music.
There's not much sense to doubt what's already fact.
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i agree with some of what you said..i have to go out on a limb on your comment about what is in Michael's mind. i'd be more ready to accept that as being in our minds(if it was) than in his mind. HE was the one who sold forty million copies of thriller..not us. in my mind his mind is made of steel when it comes to faith. if not, he couldn't have made such a great album. so...and then Invincible on the other end. people tried to talk that album down, but MJ acted as if he never heard their negative comments..the internet, the media..all the things that we talk about that's supposed to stem the tide of an album's selling power, none of that seemed to affect MIchael's faith. and, the reality is..Carson Daly video at virgin megastore is on record. the album hit number 1 around the world.

and as far as your comments about the doubt that the album won't do well on the charts...well i don't think MJ is affected by that either, cus his lyric in Unbreakable, he already knows he was being blocked..but that isn't akin to being stopped. making it on the charts these days isn't all that it looks like or is cracked up to be. the industry is very corrupt. there have been songs that made it to number 1 but not one copy left the store shelves, at least, according to reports by radio dj's(against their own industry) doing countdown shows.. and there have been songs that didn't make it on the so called charts, but leave the stores as if there is no tomorrow. so, in truth, i don't think we can any longer gauge success by what is happening on the charts necessarily. there are exceptions..but it really is a matter of faith to gauge today's meaning of success in the industry. t25 was on a catalogue chart, but it was really more successful than many albums on the 'regular' chart. so, what's with the semantics they were dealing us? the bottom line is..the album was successful..and most importantly..it left the store shelves. that's what counts. don't mean to bring another thread into this discussion..but we should really be confident about MJ's future, cus..well.....i'm not judging..but, the situation looks murky in the chris brown and rihanna story..but that did not stop a radio station from coming out of the blue, this past weekend, in los angeles...and that radio station is playing buku chris brown and buku rihanna, as if nothing ever happened. so...the enigma that is the music industry, should not hamper our faith, where MJ is concerned..again..lol..IMO. because in the end..the only thing that matters is the music...and MJ said great music never dies. we know that the creme always comes to the top. and, one way or the other, we buy great music cus we need it. and as long as there is at least one great MJ song that everybody likes(even those in denial) MJ will do well. different songs for differnt MJ fans. Diddy once said, 'there's no one who didn't dance to at least one MJ song'(whichever MJ song that is)
 
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I have a lot of faith in Michael because I believe in Michael in what ever endeavor . I believe that Michael will come out strong and My faith goes out to him and every
endeavor he does.
 
vncwilliam said:
i agree with some of what you said..i have to go out on a limb on your comment about what is in Michael's mind. i'd be more ready to accept that as being in our minds(if it was) than in his mind. HE was the one who sold forty million copies of thriller..not us. in my mind his mind is made of steel when it comes to faith. if not, he couldn't have made such a great album. so...and then Invincible on the other end. people tried to talk that album down, but MJ acted as if he never heard their negative comments..the internet, the media..all the things that we talk about that's supposed to stem the tide of an album's selling power, none of that seemed to affect MIchael's faith. and, the reality is..Carson Daly video at virgin megastore is on record. the album hit number 1 around the world.

and as far as your comments about the doubt that the album won't do well on the charts...well i don't think MJ is affected by that either, cus his lyric in Unbreakable, he already knows he was being blocked..but that isn't akin to being stopped. making it on the charts these days isn't all that it looks like or is cracked up to be. the industry is very corrupt. there have been songs that made it to number 1 but not one copy left the store shelves, at least, according to reports by radio dj's(against their own industry) doing countdown shows.. and there have been songs that didn't make it on the so called charts, but leave the stores as if there is no tomorrow. so, in truth, i don't think we can any longer gauge success by what is happening on the charts necessarily. there are exceptions..but it really is a matter of faith to gauge today's meaning of success in the industry. t25 was on a catalogue chart, but it was really more successful than many albums on the 'regular' chart. so, what's with the semantics they were dealing us? the bottom line is..the album was successful..and most importantly..it left the store shelves. that's what counts. don't mean to bring another thread into this discussion..but we should really be confident about MJ's future, cus..well.....i'm not judging..but, the situation looks murky in the chris brown and rihanna story..but that did not stop a radio station from coming out of the blue, this past weekend, in los angeles...and that radio station is playing buku chris brown and buku rihanna, as if nothing ever happened. so...the enigma that is the music industry, should not hamper our faith, where MJ is concerned..again..lol..IMO. because in the end..the only thing that matters is the music...and MJ said great music never dies. we know that the creme always comes to the top. and, one way or the other, we buy great music cus we need it. and as long as there is at least one great MJ song that everybody likes(even those in denial) MJ will do well. different songs for differnt MJ fans. Diddy once said, 'there's no one who didn't dance to at least one MJ song'(whichever MJ song that is)
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without questioning what you're saying, that's not what I mean.

What I mean is there's doubts in everyone about whomever and/or whatever at times... so are for sure in Michael.
He'll be able to handle them.
We all do handle our doubts differently probably.
But somehow without doubts faith wouldn't even make sense... that's the point.
 
Good point. It's true that sometimes we are too demaning of him. He has been through a lot, and he has the right to be afraid to tour or to release an album, which I think he is.
 
Victoria83 said:
That is SO true. We have no idea what he is thinking. He's given us SO much in terms of his art. Whatever else he gives is a gift. We should be thankful. . for everything. Right?
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.................Fully agree! I sure am!:D:yes::wub::punk:
What-ever he does its all fine with me:D:yes::wub::punk:,and if not well than it aint his problem but mines;):D:yes: Just to be full blunt and honest here:D:yes::D:punk:
 
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