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The other day I was helping someone find something on the Jackson Family Dynasty thread, the one in the Michael Jackson News and Discussion section(not the one here), and I read through the thread and I found so much bashing toward Jermaine. I don't mean someone saying they disagree with Jermaine or Jermaine should have done whatever. I mean to the point where one poster purposely said Jermaine was self centered and she liked the other brothers and then labeled them the Jackson 3. Anything Jermaine does to some is wrong. The bashing is getting much. I know Jermaine has made mistakes, but who hasn't.
I knew this was going on , but when I read that thread, my eyes were opened to much of the hate toward Jermaine. Very sad. Michael wasn't about hate, and in fact he was all about love and forgiveness.
 
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This thread is going to wind up getting closed, lol.
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That's why I made a new thread instead of posting on the Family Dynasty thread. Better this thread get closed than that one, besides the fact my post would have been off topic. I decided to shorten my post, so now maybe it won't get so bad.
 
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I agree, it's sad seeing such hate on an MJ forum.
 
First off, I agree 110%

But it's only a matter of time before a certain few people come in here and start up with the bashing all over again. :timer:

The way I see it, Jermaine was there for Michael during his toughest time (the trial), and defended him very publicly, which is more than can be said for many members of this board and many of Michael's so-called friends even. I'm not saying this gives him a free pass on whatever he supposedly did to Michael, and I don't expect it to in some people's minds. At the end of the day, haters are gonna hate, and anyone who wants to find any and all reason to bash Jermaine will continue to do so despite the fact that he has and continues to do more for Michael's memory than should be expected. You're right, he doesn't need to put on a tribute concert or anything, and maybe he didn't go about it in the smartest way possible, but he's doing something for Michael's legacy and to keep his music and art at the forefront of people's minds. -_- This is really a reason to bash someone now? C'mon, he's not selling 'peeing in public' stories to tabloids like Arnold Klein. That is the easiest way to make money, if that was all he was concerned about. And there'd be no shortage of it either, the media are tripping over themselves for negative tales about MJ.

On the other hand, if Jermaine stayed at home and remembered Michael in private - people would complain about a lack of public support or whatever. It's like he can't win either way.

Also, Word To The Badd (since people just love to keep rehashing that as an excuse to deem everything Jermaine does as suspicious) was over 20 years ago, people need to get over it already. :mello: Michael obviously did. Why waste energy being offended on his behalf when after all was said and done, he still forgave Jermaine anyway? :mello:

Honestly, I don't know how some of the stuff I see being posted not just about Jermaine, but the family as a whole gets away with being posted on this site. Some of the things I've read here are nothing short of disgusting. I personally think a lot of it just stems from jealousy and bitterness and some people judge Jermaine, or Joe or whoever on pre-conceived notions and deem them not 'worthy' of being around, or even related to Michael. :mello: “Envy is the art of counting the other fellow's blessings instead of your own.”
 
Thanks for the reply and I'm am sorry that you'll see my post shortened. I tend to go on and on, so I decided it would be better if I just shortened my post. Thanks for the support.
As I said I was helping someone the other day and yesterday, so my eyes were opened and it just has been bothering me.
 
For some reason, the more I find out about the personal lives and public antics of most of the Jacksons (including Michael), the more I feel uneasy towards their perceived characters. Of course that doesn't even match my unease over the fans who think they somehow know this family and blindly defend/bash them.

I'm just going enjoy the beautiful music.
 
On the main page I posted about what Jermaine said to the TMZ bashing the FBI. Overwhelmingly, people supported him. I think that was very rare. Jermaine annoys me sometimes as well. But, I guess never to the point where I would dislike him. Everyone does things they wish they hadn't. Some of us have done things we really, really wish we hadn't. And if that was shown on TV for the whole world to see, we would have just died.

Regret is very powerful. We don't know if Jermaine is struggling against a personality defect, and is actually sorry for some of the things he says. But we sometimes don't give them the chance to even explian their position. When W2TB came out, Jermaine was using the medium he had available to a musical family. No one has ever written a really nasty letter to a family member they thought had done them wrong? I know others will disagree on some points. But, I am willing at this point to try to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Like Arxter said, we don't know them personally. We are always getting this distorted view through media.
 
arXter said:
For some reason, the more I find out about the personal lives and public antics of most of the Jacksons (including Michael), the more I feel uneasy towards their perceived characters. Of course that doesn't even match my unease over the fans who think they somehow know this family and blindly defend/bash them.

I'm just going enjoy the beautiful music.
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All I can say is that the Jacksons love Mystery, they will always keep you wondering.
 
I completely agree, it's too much and it's very dissapointing! I thought MJ taught us to be careful how we judge others, and not to hate on people.

Regardless of another persons actions, sitting there and juding them doesn't make you any better than them.
 
I have seen that too and it's usually the same folks acting out. But the bashing on the Dynasty site usually gets dismissed or ignored by the majority on the site because 95% of the members are long time J5 Fans ( interpreted: older, more mature and grounded) so they are not into tabloid gossip like some other demographics might be.
 
OldSchoolMJFan said:
I have seen that too and it's usually the same folks acting out. But the bashing on the Dynasty site usually gets dismissed or ignored by the majority on the site because 95% of the members are long time J5 Fans ( interpreted: older, more mature and grounded) so they are not into tabloid gossip like some other demographics might be.
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I find it really ironic that jermaine gets bashing. michael was very close to Jermaine growing up. as i watch the dynasty show, i see a pattern forming with the brothers. i obseved that jackie and Marlon was very close and Tito and jermaine are close. It seems to me that Michael was closest to Tito and jermaine but i still thing that he adored jermaine even more than the others, he learned to sing by copying jermaine when they were very small. he looked up to him, it is amazing that he should be so bashed on an mj fansite.
jermaine is harmless, his bark is worse than his bite.
the brother that I find really tiresome, is jackie. i guess he is the least popular among the siblings too. I find him very controlling and if he doesn't get his own way he destroys the project. Mj had very harsh words for him on his tape. lol.
 
Datsymay said:
I find it really ironic that jermaine gets bashing. michael was very close to Jermaine growing up. as i watch the dynasty show, i see a pattern forming with the brothers. i obseved that jackie and Marlon was very close and Tito and jermaine are close. It seems to me that Michael was closest to Tito and jermaine but i still thing that he adored jermaine even more than the others, he learned to sing by copying jermaine when they were very small. he looked up to him, it is amazing that he should be so bashed on an mj fansite.
jermaine is harmless, his bark is worse than his bite.
the brother that I find really tiresome, is jackie. i guess he is the least popular among the siblings too. I find him very controlling and if he doesn't get his own way he destroys the project. Mj had very harsh words for him on his tape. lol.
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Wonderful post.
 
ensleyave said:
How do you know this?
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Huh? Because as I've seen the other brothers on this dynasty show in particular, I've seen Jermaine, and I don't believe Jermaine is acting. He is sincere. Have you not seen him cry at interviews before this dynasty show started? Has he not said he would give his life so that Michael could live? You mean to tell me you think that's all an act? I won't believe that.
 
this is a tricky subject. does anyone in here, have a sibling, who they called a harsh name? does that mean, that you actually hate that sibling? sometimes, people believe that they love someone so much, that they are affected by everything they do. so, they evoke the most powerful emotions out of each other. not to go off topic, but, in a way i'm staying on. some, in here, are Christians. there are passages in the bible where Jesus calls an entire generation, 'vipers'. does that mean he does not still teach love? perhaps he was trying to straighten them out, because he loves them. Michael has been known to tell Gloria Allred, to go to hell. does that mean he still doesn't teach others how to love? many fans in here, believe they are Michael's extended family, and maybe, even, love the entire family, but, at times, they feel that certain members of the extended family behave wrongly, so, tough words are used. does that mean that the fan actually hates Jermaine, for example? Maybe, indifference is the opposite of love.

again..like i said..it's a tricky subject.

i don't know if most of the people in here, are bashing, or expressing hate, as much as they may be acting like brothers and sisters, with sparks flying at times, because they love the extended family, and are afraid of hurtful things happening, so, they get emotional, and use attention grabbing strong, words, that come across as harsh.

sure, there are exceptions..but those are trolls, who are using anything..anything to bring down Michael Jackson..including, his family. and they really seem, the minority.

perhaps, some will say, we don't know the Jacksons. well..perhaps, some of us, don't know our bio siblings as much as we think we do, either.
 
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this is a tricky subject. does anyone in here, have a sibling, who they called a harsh name? does that mean, that you actually hate that sibling? sometimes, people believe that they love someone so much, that they are affected by everything they do. so, they evoke the most powerful emotions out of each other. not to go off topic, but, in a way i'm staying on. some, in here, are Christians. there are passages in the bible where Jesus calls an entire generation, 'vipers'. does that mean he does not still teach love? perhaps he was trying to straighten them out, because he loves them. Michael has been known to tell Gloria Allred, to go to hell. does that mean he still doesn't teach others how to love? many fans in here, believe they are Michael's extended family, and maybe, even, love the entire family, but, at times, they feel that certain members of the extended family behave wrongly, so, tough words are used. does that mean that the fan actually hates Jermaine, for example? Maybe, indifference is the opposite of love.

again..like i said..it's a tricky subject.
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you would never use that argument if people used the same tone and language in criticising Mj. Michael made lots of errors of judement too. he was not perfect. we do not hear about the issues he caused his siblings because they do not tell the public about them. that doesn't mean that Mj never did anything to upset his siblings. it is human nature.
 
Datsymay said:
you would never use that argument if people used the same tone and language in criticising Mj. Michael made lots of errors of judement too. he was not perfect. we do not hear about the issues he caused his siblings because they do not tell the public about them. that doesn't mean that Mj never did anything to upset his siblings. it is human nature.
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like i said, in my last line, we may not know our bio sibs like we think we do. and we have favorites sometimes. and it's not as simple as what we don't hear, we are sure, happened.

and..like in any family..you really can't make anyone choose, which member they should like the most or the least. but, the idea of love...and hate..not as simple as you try to make it. that's what is human nature.

this all boils back down to the question that is taboo. is admitting Michael's massive success, and the subsequent jealousies that may occur, in and outside of the extended and blood family, too hot to touch? that's even more human nature. a lot of people don't like to admit to that stuff. that's even more human nature.
 
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like i said, in my last line, we may not know our bio sibs like we think we do. and we have favorites sometimes. and it's not as simple as what we don't hear, we are sure, happened.

and..like in any family..you really can't make anyone choose, which member they should like the most or the least. but, the idea of love...and hate..not as simple as you try to make it. that's what is human nature.

this all boils back down to the question that is taboo. is admitting Michael's massive success, and the subsequent jealousies that may occur, in and outside of the extended and blood family, too hot to touch? that's even more human nature. nobody likes to admit to that stuff.
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You are inconsistent. you are always among the first to cry foul is one snippet of criticism is turned towards Mj, but here you are making excuses for the vile and petrid attack that is constantly centred around jermaine and the family.
how can you cry foul when things are done to Mj but accept it when it is done to others? that comes under the definition of hypocracy.
 
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like i said, in my last line, we may not know our bio sibs like we think we do. and we have favorites sometimes. and it's not as simple as what we don't hear, we are sure, happened.

and..like in any family..you really can't make anyone choose, which member they should like the most or the least. but, the idea of love...and hate..not as simple as you try to make it. that's what is human nature.

this all boils back down to the question that is taboo. is admitting Michael's massive success, and the subsequent jealousies that may occur, in and outside of the extended and blood family, too hot to touch? that's even more human nature. nobody likes to admit to that stuff.
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I know everyone is tired of me posting this. We came to this site because we are Michael Jackson fans so therefore we will be biased toward anything MJ even if it means disagreeing with his family members. I must admit some on here may go to the extreme but some of you are so quick to defend others against MJ. That is not the definition of a fan. I don't agree with everything Mike did but I am more empathetic toward him because I am his fan. You are all trying to change the essence of the site. We came here because of Michael. Not the Jacksons or Jackson 5 but Michael. I was introduce to MIchael because of the Jackson five which I followed them religiously but as Mike grew I grew with him. I saw something different in him. I don't dislike Jermaine but I have studied and read and researched Jermaine about as much as Michael and I will keep my conclusion to myself. Yes, he loved his brother. I love my sister but I may not like her.
 
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You are inconsistent. you are always among the first to cry foul is one snippet of criticism is turned towards Mj, but here you are making excuses for the vile and petrid attack that is constantly centred around jermaine and the family.
how can you cry foul when things are done to Mj but accept it when it is done to others? that comes under the definition of hypocracy.
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you do the opposite. just turn it around. you'll pick apart MJ and defend the siblings. that is hypocrisy.

this is the definition of family. on this board, and elsewhere. and this will not be the last thread, made, that attempts to broach this subject.

that is why it's a taboo subject. but does that stop it from being discussed?
 
vncwilliam said:
you do the opposite. just turn it around. you'll pick apart MJ and defend the siblings. that is hypocrisy.

this is the definition of family. on this board, and elsewhere. and this will not be the last thread, made, that attempts to broach this subject.
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I agree with you that is why I butt heads with this person consistently. I will no longer respond to her post because the family can do no wrong but MJ can even if we have sound proof of what we are saying about some family members. Save yourself it is impossible for this person to see your point.
 
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you do the opposite. just turn it around. you'll pick apart MJ and defend the siblings. that is hypocrisy.

this is the definition of family. on this board, and elsewhere. and this will not be the last thread, made, that attempts to broach this subject.

that is why it's a taboo subject. but does that stop it from being discussed?
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This person is a J5 fan and not solely MIchael so it is what it is.
 
vncwilliam said:
you do the opposite. just turn it around. you'll pick apart MJ and defend the siblings. that is hypocrisy.

this is the definition of family. on this board, and elsewhere. and this will not be the last thread, made, that attempts to broach this subject.

that is why it's a taboo subject. but does that stop it from being discussed?
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No I do not. Check all my posts. I have always been consistent and I NEVER disrespect any artist, Never, even when i think they do not have much talent.
You will never see me badmouthing any artist on any websites.
I have NEVER disrespected any member of the Jackson family. i love ALL of them equally.
i defended Mj when he was going through his most difficult time. Check the Prayer thread and you will find me all over thre praying for this man. I still have his poster in my bible.
I defended those posters who wanted to worship MJ. I said they had a right to worship who they want to.
I defended Mj's Babydangling.
i defended Mj's face alteration, I even argued that he only had 2. i defended Mj's parentage.
i defended Mj's sleep over.
the only area where I have conflict with Mj is with his family issues and I support Katherine in that, i have never disrespected any posters on this board even when i disagree with them.
 
Datsymay said:
No I do not. Check all my posts. I have always been consistent and I NEVER disrespect any artist, Never, even when i think they do not have much talent.
You will never see me badmouthing any artist on any websites.
I have NEVER disrespected any member of the Jackson family. i love ALL of them equally.
i defended Mj when he was going through his most difficult time. Check the Prayer thread and you will find me all over thre praying for this man. I still have his poster in my bible.
I defended those posters who wanted to worship MJ. I said they had a right to worship who they want to.
I defended Mj's Babydangling.
i defended Mj's face alteration, I even argued that he only had 2. i defended Mj's parentage.
i defended Mj's sleep over.
the only area where I have conflict with Mj is with his family issues and I support Katherine in that, i have never disrespected any posters on this board even when i disagree with them.
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you just disagreed with yourself. you just admitted to conflict. you prefer Katherine. I prefer MJ, in family issues. are we going to accuse each other of bashing?

and might i add..that i have never called Jermaine Jackson a degrading name...never have i acted like a troll, at the expense of any of MJ's family members. if i defend MJ, because of the actions, of another family member, it's above board, with no low ball trashy name calling and hate. i may strongly disagree with something Jermaine did..but i do NOT use hateful language toward him, or any other family member.

strong disagreement does not equal bashing, or hate. there is a difference.

may i also add, that i never accused ANY artist of not having much talent. i may have said MJ's success and timelessness speak for themselves, but i never bashed. hell..i never bashed Jermaine..Chris Brown, Rihanna, GaGa...etc. i simply raise MJ as tops, in my book. that's not bashing.
 
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