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babykinsilk05

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Ok so I was talking about this with a friend the other day and we had a really funny and insightful converstation. I think its a fairly interesting thing to look at...so here goes...

How do you think the the Jackson Family would be looked at today if Michael's last name was something else? In other words, if the ONLY thing that changed about the Jackson Family and their VERY famous "rags to riches" story was that Katherine and Joe's seventh child was NOT MJ and was instead Randy followed by Janet and nobody else. Now remember that NOTHING about their story (The brothers forming the group, The brothers trying their hand at solo careers...and failing, and Janet becoming a solo success) has changed, it all played out in the same way EXCEPT there was never an MJ. Do you think the family would be as highly regarded, respected, and honored today? would they still be known as the "First Family of Music"? or "Music Royalty"? or lets flip it, would they still be looked at as serverly "dysfunctional", "strange", or as "Money Hungry Free Riders"?

Again...Remember that EVERYTHING that has happened to this family while they have been in the buisness/public eye has not changed, ALL of the siblings lives still played out in the same way all the way to today, the ONLY change in this story is that MJ (as we know/knew him) was not born to Kate and Joe but to somebody else.
 
It wouldn't be the same! MJ was like the piece of the puzzle to be completed! I think they would be successful but not like how it is! They would still be honored , but like I said it would be different and not the same! Michael was a natural and without him The Jackson 5 would be a lot different! I believe they would still be respected and remembered , but not like how it is right now! If Michael was born to someone else it wouldn't be anywhere near what has happend in history! He probably wouldn't have vitiligo came from Joe's side, being called big nose by Joe! I like that he was born in The Jackson 5 family because he was the main star and it was meant to be! Nothing about that can be undone!
 
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What is the point of this thread if not to continue to degrade the Jackson family? how disturbing/
maybe we should start a if Michael wasn't a black man etc.
 
threads in this vain are destructive. there have been many of them, and they never ended well.

however, it is noted that people think what they think, and we just need to coexist, be at peace, and just keep our thoughts, beliefs and how we function on these beliefs, concerning this general area, to ourselves.
 
vncwilliam said:
threads in this vain are destructive. there have been many of them, and they never ended well.

however, it is noted that people think what they think, and we just need to coexist, be at peace, and just keep our thoughts, beliefs and how we function on these beliefs, concerning this general area, to ourselves.
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I agree.:cheers:
 
If Mike had been born to someone else, his story would have been much different as well. Technically, the group was created because Tito broke Joe's guitar string. A better question is "What if Joseph had been a success as a musician?" If that had happened the J5 (or Ripples and Waves) probably wouldn't have been created in the 1st place, because Joe would not have had any time to be a stage parent. The Tito incident most likely wouldn't have happened either as Joe would have been touring and recording. Another question is "What would have happened if Brandon lived?"
 
DuranDuran said:
If Mike had been born to someone else, his story would have been much different as well. Technically, the group was created because Tito broke Joe's guitar string. A better question is "What if Joseph had been a success as a musician?" If that had happened the J5 (or Ripples and Waves) probably wouldn't have been created in the 1st place, because Joe would not have had any time to be a stage parent. The Tito incident most likely wouldn't have happened either as Joe would have been touring and recording. Another question is "What would have happened if Brandon lived?"
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True!
 
Sweetiegirl86563 said:
It wouldn't be the same! MJ was like the piece of the puzzle to be completed! I think they would be successful but not like how it is! They would still be honored , but like I said it would be different and not the same! Michael was a natural and without him The Jackson 5 would be a lot different! I believe they would still be respected and remembered , but not like how it is right now! If Michael was born to someone else it wouldn't be anywhere near what has happend in history! He probably wouldn't have vitiligo came from Joe's side, being called big nose by Joe! I like that he was born in The Jackson 5 family because he was the main star and it was meant to be! Nothing about that can be undone!
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Thanks for answering the question and giving your opinion WITHOUT getting ignorant. Ya see people...it IS possible.
 
vncwilliam said:
are we ignorant? or are we trying to keep the peace? since we attempted to keep the peace, you are the first person to personally label us.
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who is we? of course keeping the peace is important and something we all should strive for. I was referring to another poster who basically said this thread was "disturbing", why does it have to be all that? It's not my fault that people read a topic and respond negativley, or yes sometimes, ignorantly to it. Atleast there are those that can simply answer the question without getting negative, if you (not you personally but the "collective" you) can't then simply ignore the thread. that was all I was saying.
 
If Michael Wasn't a Jackson...


......his last name wouldn't be Jackson.
 
Jermaine would have been the star. The brothers would have made a name for themselves and people would not have blamed Michael for ''hogging the spotlight''
Everyone can play ignorant here, What's the purpose of this thread? One group of fans is going to bash Michael the other one the relatives.
 
babykinsilk05 said:
who is we? of course keeping the peace is important and something we all should strive for. I was referring to another poster who basically said this thread was "disturbing", why does it have to be all that? It's not my fault that people read a topic and respond negativley, or yes sometimes, ignorantly to it. Atleast there are those that can simply answer the question without getting negative, if you (not you personally but the "collective" you) can't then simply ignore the thread. that was all I was saying.
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it's also cool, that if u see that a lot of people cannot ignore these threads, and they keep coming up, and get closed..then, though i know it takes a humbling effort, it might be a good idea to stop posting them. what's wrong with that?

it's not as simple as u make it. if someone posts a thread that 'disturbs' YOU, and YOU cannot help but enter it, and then u get pissed off, and respond, accordingly, you can understand that your advice is not as easy to take as it is to give. there isn't a person on here(save those who hardly post at all)that doesn't have a button that can be pushed. i don't think there is anybody on this site, that doesn't know about the reputation of threads with the general subject that you posted.

and if u see that this reputation is persistent, and u keep posting subjects in this general area, then yes, you do have something to do with the peace not being kept as much as it could be.

i have my feelings about Jackson family issues that feel like they may spur negativity among posters..and i see what goes on here, so...i try not to be the original poster in subjects in that general area. but i ain't gunna say anymore on this...we'll just see how it goes. now..i realize that L.T.D. attempted something like this in another thread, and i look like a hyporcrite..but it's worth it, cus i have seen the fire and brimstone in this area of converstion, way too many times. i hope this thread becomes the exception, although i already saw somebody get bothered by it, so, i don't think i did exactly what L.T.D. did, when they posted.
 
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vncwilliam said:
it's also cool, that if u see that a lot of people cannot ignore these threads, and they keep coming up, and get closed..then, though i know it takes a humbling effort, it might be a good idea to stop posting them. what's wrong with that?

it's not as simple as u make it. if someone posts a thread that 'disturbs' YOU, and YOU cannot help but enter it, and then u get pissed off, and respond, accordingly, you can understand that your advice is not as easy to take as it is to give. there isn't a person on here(save those who hardly post at all)that doesn't have a button that can be pushed. i don't think there is anybody on this site, that doesn't know about the reputation of threads with the general subject that you posted.

and if u see that this reputation is persistent, and u keep posting subjects in this general area, then yes, you do have something to do with the peace not being kept as much as it could be.

i have my feelings about Jackson family issues that feel like they may spur negativity among posters..and i see what goes on here, so...i try not to be the original poster in subjects in that general area. but i ain't gunna say anymore on this...we'll just see how it goes. now..i realize that L.T.D. attempted something like this in another thread, and i look like a hyporcrite..but it's worth it, cus i have seen the fire and brimstone in this area of converstion, way too many times. i hope this thread becomes the exception, although i already saw somebody get bothered by it, so, i don't think i did exactly what L.T.D. did, when they posted.
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Ok I see what your saying...BUT, the lack of peace on this board does not come from a post like this alone...sure people will have their opinons but I don't think I placed anything in my OP that should have ignited a fight. People on this board get rilled up off of EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to begin with...weather that thing be bad, good, or well intentioned. Surely you have noticed this as well. Anyway, this back and forth between yourself and I, is not neccissary...if a poster comes in here, reads the topic, decided's he/she doesn't like it, they can leave. In THIS case, it is pretty much that simple because there is nothing there that should piss anybody off. Thank God for free will ya know.
 
Hmm...I guess Marlon (or more likely Jermaine like someone else said) would be the lead singer then? No, I don't think they would be as successful. They might have still had gigs around the country, but I don't think they ever would have made it to Motown. Michael made them hugely successful IMO.
 
J5 would not be as successful, I think...

They were talented but the image of the cute little talented brother with the smooth tenor voice playing it off with Jermaine's soulful gruff one made the group.

Of course, they were well known for the dancing too but it was Jerm and Mike's voice that created the sound of the J5.
 
raz2911 said:
Than Janet would be appreciated more I think...
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tbh if Michael wasn't a Jackson then Janet wouldn't have gotten a record deal in the first place.

This thread is idk? It's just useless 'what ifs'... What if the sky wasn't blue? What if Tuesdays came before Mondays... What's the point in speculating on questions that it's impossible to answer? :mello:
 
Well this forum wouldn't be called MJJCommunity but M--Community!!!!!!
 
Adore said:
tbh if Michael wasn't a Jackson then Janet wouldn't have gotten a record deal in the first place.

This thread is idk? It's just useless 'what ifs'... What if the sky wasn't blue? What if Tuesdays came before Mondays... What's the point in speculating on questions that it's impossible to answer? :mello:
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I think Janet would deffinatly have got a recording contract, she is one of the best selling female artists in history !! being a Jackson can only get you so far, she excelled because she had talent unlike Rebbie or Latoya they got record deals for being MJ's siblings and had short vareers (no disrespect to them)
 
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I have some insight into such a question since my dad grew up with the Jacksons, as well as living in Gary.

Back in the 50s and 60s, there were alot of groups like the Jacksons. They were either friends who got together on the street corner or even a little family groups. They all had talent and some even became local stars in the area. Some got recording contracts and were well known in the Midwest. With that said, my dad and mom grew up with all these groups and they both said the same thing. The Jacksons were mediocre at best.

Before everyone and their dog jumps, allow me to explain more. The Jacksons started as the Jackson Brothers who were made up of Jacky, Tito, and Jermaine. Marlon and Michael played their little drums, but that was about it. They played at several local gigs and talent shows around Gary and they were okay. However, many more groups were much better. The Jacksons did not become a force until Michael joined, then everything changed. He took the group from mediocre to being the hot group in the Midwest.

Another story that is not told is that another record company before Steeltown tried to sign them. I don't remember the year at the moment, but they played for a recording studio in Chicago and tried to get a contract. However, they were not sign. One being that the company could not pay for the child services, something that even Motown had concerns with, and the fact that the group was not worth the price. They loved Michael, but the other boys were more of a hindrance. Tito and Jermaine couldn't even play their own instruments right, so they had to hire a in studio band, which drove up the price. So, the Jacksons were not worth the price.

Another not so known fact is about their first Steeltown song, Big Boy. Namely, the Jacksons did not play their own instruments in that record. It was actually a studio band. They tried several times to get Tito and Jermaine to play the song themselves, but they could not play it right. They finally gave up and hire a in studio band to play with Michael's vocals, which were already recorded so they overdub.

The point of this story is without Michael what would most likely happen to the Jacksons is that they may just remain a local band and would never reached the mainstream like so many others in that time. Which means, they would had been the royal family of nothing.

Love it or hate it, it was Michael that made that group and he pretty much carried them to the top. Even little Janet owes her career to Michael. Janet is talented, however, it was the fact that she was Michael's sister that gave her the chance she needed to make it. Without Michael, she may had broken into the industry, however, I doubt she would had been a big superstar like she is today.

So in my conclusion going by history, Michael was and is the reason why the world even know the Jacksons.
 
Actually, Joe jackson is the reason why the world even knows the jacksons. as you said, there were other groups better than the Jacksons around then, where qare they now> Right, they did not have a father to dedicate time and money into them. No group can succeed without financial backing and knowing the right people. joe jackson put his money where his mouth was and devoted time and money to his group and he got in touch with the right people.
no matter how talented Michael was, he would have never madde it out of Gary without joe Jackson. The brothers were very talented too. i doubt Bury gordy would have hired them if they weren't.
 
max000 said:
This is easy. THE JACKSONS would be anonymous.
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You wish.
how old were they again/ yes, they were 9 and 10 year olds playing adult intstruments. Michael jackson was very popular and loved in J5 but he was not the most popular of the group. the most popular were Jermaine and Jackie. most teenagers wanted to be with them. so they would have been successful if they had the right songs. not many boy bands played their own instruments at the time. jacksons were unigue because they were a proper band.
Bob marley cannot sing like jermaine yet he was successful.
 
Datsymay said:
Actually, Joe jackson is the reason why the world even knows the jacksons. as you said, there were other groups better than the Jacksons around then, where qare they now> Right, they did not have a father to dedicate time and money into them. No group can succeed without financial backing and knowing the right people. joe jackson put his money where his mouth was and devoted time and money to his group and he got in touch with the right people.
no matter how talented Michael was, he would have never madde it out of Gary without joe Jackson. The brothers were very talented too. i doubt Bury gordy would have hired them if they weren't.
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That is a one sided answer.

Even if Joe only worked with Jack, Tito, and Jermaine, you can't get blood out of a turnip. The other Jackson brothers simply did not have what it took to make it, which was what happen to the other groups. They had talent and some had some share of success, but it was not enough to break into the industry. Which at that time only accepted the best, especially if you were black.

The brothers are talented, but they are many more who are much better than them. If Tito and Jermaine were really hot with the guitar, they would had been in demand like Slash and Eddie Van Halen. However, outside of Michael, they never got any kind of offers as such. Even when Michael tour with them during the Victory Tour, he had someone else play the solo for part for Beat It. If they were so good, then one of them should had played it. However, in truth, neither one of them could had played it.

Also, you have heard them without Michael. Can you honestly tell me with the vocals you have heard that they would had made it in the industry? They are surpar in that area. It takes more than a pretty voice to make it. It takes a unique voice to make it. Whether you like or dislike Michael's vocal, he was very unique. If Michael sang some random song and played it before an audience, everyone would instantly know Michael's vocals. Even Madonna which people keep saying have mediocre voice, she stands out because even her haters can recognize her voice from across the room.

The point, Joe may had push them and have the ambition, but it would not had gotten them far. Without talent, ambition does not amount to much. Watching all those 'singers' at the beginning of America Idol should had shown us what happen when people have big dreams, but not the talent to back it. The Jacksons are such a case.

The reason why they stood out and separated themselves from the others is by Michael's pure talent. It as the main factor that made the Jacksons. Joe may have been the pusher and molded him, but even an artist is only as good as the stone he chose to scripture.


PS: Those groups did put their money where their mouth were. Some even had professional mangers. It was not a lack of resources that kept them back, it was the fact that they were not good enough and they were not lucky. As Michael would even told people, timing and luck can be just as important as talent. The Jacksons were at the right place, at the right time, with the right person. Those are the keys that made them.
 
Datsymay said:
You wish.
how old were they again/ yes, they were 9 and 10 year olds playing adult intstruments. Michael jackson was very popular and loved in J5 but he was not the most popular of the group. the most popular were Jermaine and Jackie. most teenagers wanted to be with them. so they would have been successful if they had the right songs. not many boy bands played their own instruments at the time. jacksons were unigue because they were a proper band.
Bob marley cannot sing like jermaine yet he was successful.
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Btw, the reason why Jacky and Jermaine were the most popular had nothing to do with their talent. They were popular because fans could and did fu** them and they were good looking. Michael was cute, but too young to have sexual dreams about. Although, that didn't keep his brothers from using him to lure girls to their hotel room.

As I have said in my other post, Tito and Jermaine were so-so musicians. Which is why people had to hire studio bands for them. Even now, their talent on guitar is nothing to write home about.
 
It wouldn't be the same and everyone would have a different story. Michael still would have been as big as he is.

There.
 
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