Michaels Lover
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That's not heretic. Most fans thinks that about HIStory tour (I'm not one of them)3. HIStory tour is boring.
That's not heretic. Most fans thinks that about HIStory tour (I'm not one of them)3. HIStory tour is boring.
‘thriller’ was a once in a lifetime phenomenon. even though the album had exceeded expectations by the middle of the year, it was the short film for the title track that ultimately put it over the edge, and was responsible for what it became.It would have been so unique though! For 99% of the albums you are right but Thriller had to be milked till the end. We will never see such success ever again
Not as common as the other way around. I've met one J5 fan in my life, who ONLY likes J5 and who doesn't care for adult solo MJ. And idk how many I've met who doesn't care for J5, but it's a lotAt the same time, there are J5 fans who are not so fond of the solo adult Michael. For example, people of older age categories.
There are fans of Motown music in total (Not just the Jackson 5). The adult Michael has moved away from this sound, so he may not be in their sphere of interest.Not as common as the other way around. I've met one J5 fan in my life, who ONLY likes J5 and who doesn't care for adult solo MJ. And idk how many I've met who doesn't care for J5, but it's a lot
Wow! That's interesting. I've never encountered this, ever. Does this person also like The Jacksons or is it just J5?Not as common as the other way around. I've met one J5 fan in my life, who ONLY likes J5 and who doesn't care for adult solo MJ.
Too many to count (although, tbf, I'm including people who did like J5 back in the day but then focused all their attention and energy on adult Michael).And idk how many I've met who doesn't care for J5, but it's a lot
The adult Michael has too few records. They can be played in a circle. That has its drawbacks. The 70s era is more extensive, it had its own gems.Wow! That's interesting. I've never encountered this, ever. Does this person also like The Jacksons or is it just J5?
Too many to count (although, tbf, I'm including people who did like J5 back in the day but then focused all their attention and energy on adult Michael).
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I'm perfectly happy with his adult output.The adult Michael has too few records.
I don't understand your point.They can be played in a circle.
Well, yes.That has its drawbacks. The 70s era is more extensive, it had its own gems.
Over time, you can lose enthusiasm for records because you listen to them too often. I can't admire his adult albums as much as I did 10 years ago. Moreover, Michael has only 6 adult albums, a couple of posthumous albums and songs from compilations. But that's not much. And I can’t admire his concert tours as much anymore, of which there were 3 and I watched them many times.We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I'm perfectly happy with his adult output.
I don't understand your point.
Well, yes.
The Jacksons period is a partial outlet) After all, Michael was no longer a child there, but he wrote and was the main soloist in the songs. And these are underrated years.I agree with dart. Michael should have released at least 15 adult solo albums. I'd take a less successful Michael over what we got because it would have meant more album releases.
It is still only 2 extra albums where he was the main creative force. I once wished they would be re released as Michael Jackson albums so they would find an audience. Destiny and Triumph have almost no streaming numbersThe Jacksons period is a partial outlet) After all, Michael was no longer a child there, but he wrote and was the main soloist in the songs. And these are underrated years.
Then they're clearly not MJ fans. This thread is about MJ fansThere are fans of Motown music in total (Not just the Jackson 5). The adult Michael has moved away from this sound, so he may not be in their sphere of interest.
They don't like adut MJ at allWow! That's interesting. I've never encountered this, ever. Does this person also like The Jacksons or is it just J5?
I love also his works with Gamble & Huff.It is still only 2 extra albums where he was the main creative force. I once wished they would be re released as Michael Jackson albums so they would find an audience. Destiny and Triumph have almost no streaming numbers
I consider destiny his 3rd best adult album after thriller and off the wall.
There was work on a follow up to Thriller around 1984 or so but it never materialized because Thriller kept selling and breaking records.
Here is my top 10
1 Thriller
2 Off The Wall
3 Destiny
4 Got To Be There
5 The Jacksons
6 Forever Michael
7 Diana Ross Presents
8 ABC
9 Dangerous
10 Triumph
The first 3 are classics, from 4 to 8 are great and 9 and 10 are good, dangerous is still there because of my childhood memories but it is way too long and I grew tired of the overproduced NJS sound. The 2nd half of the album is among his greatest work though.
It’s a great great album. Very melodic and soulful. Some of the songs shine even more live like Keep On Dancing.I love also his works with Gamble & Huff.
interesting! I guess that was the point "history". I clearly live it, he looks BEAUTIFUL!I don't like Michael's pompous self-aggrandizement in the History Teaser. It makes some unpleasant allusions to tyrannical totalitarian regimes of the past.
There are fans of Motown music in total (Not just the Jackson 5). The adult Michael has moved away from this sound, so he may not be in their sphere of interest.
in fact almost everyone agrees with you...i thinkI'm a fan, but.... I enjoy MJs work and don't think he was a raging narcissist who lost all ability after 1983.
Guess that makes me unique, or 'heretic' on here these days.
Is the film Moonwalker not a sign of narcissism?in fact almost everyone agrees with you...i think
I don't think MJ ever showed any signs of being a narcissist
Narcissism is a personal quality that makes a person value itself highly and demand admiration from others. The attitude towards other people is disdainful, contemptuous, not implying empathy.Is the film Moonwalker not a sign of narcissism?
Isn't building giant statues HIStory of yourself narcissistic?
The Legends Continuity and The One not a sign of narcissism?
HIStory Teaser not a sign of narcissism?
Good point. Personally, I was not keen on the HIStory statues. But does that matter? Everybody was talking about them; whether they liked the thing or not there was a real buzz about them. Good PR, imo.[...] Besides, the more he did what you call narcissism, the more he was discussed, promoted and the more money he made. Him and his team.
yes, sometimes presenting oneself to the public in this way causes internal dissonance)))) because it makes one think of arroganceGood point. Personally, I was not keen on the HIStory statues. But does that matter? Everybody was talking about them; whether they liked the thing or not there was a real buzz about them. Good PR, imo.
Ngl, I thought the statue (floating down the Thames, I'm in the UK) was a bit pretentious. But I also thought it was a genius PR move. It was all over the papers and tv news programmes, everyone talked about it for weeks. So it did the job it was required to do. Loads of free publicity. Result!yes, sometimes presenting oneself to the public in this way causes internal dissonance)))) because it makes one think of arrogance [...]
I see all of this as a performing artist doing his job. He was a global superstar, developing multiple income streams and staging dramatic PR events seems quite normal, I would say.Is the film Moonwalker not a sign of narcissism?
Isn't building giant statues HIStory of yourself narcissistic?
The Legends Continuity and The One not a sign of narcissism?
HIStory Teaser not a sign of narcissism?
During the Thriller years, he had not yet tried to erect monuments to himself and it was clear to everyone that he was already the best.Narcissism is a personal quality that makes a person value itself highly and demand admiration from others. The attitude towards other people is disdainful, contemptuous, not implying empathy.
ALWAYS combined with an arrogant, contemptuous attitude towards others.
Michael, naturally, liked to be admired (and deservedly so), but he has no signs of this mental pathology
He was the greatest and richest artist. And could afford a lot in terms of surroundings, costumes, previews. And he allowed
If you already have money and fame, then why limit yourself? What he did and the way he did it, the way he presented himself at concerts, made his performances vivid and memorable.
Besides, the more he did what you call narcissism, the more he was discussed, promoted and the more money he made. Him and his team. Businessman. Rich artist. But not a narcissist..
this will be remembered for a lifetime)))))
in a spiritual sense, I agree with you, but the world of show business is cruel, it is difficult for modest people to live in it and it is absolutely impossible to achieve the heights of MJ...I think modesty is a beauty. And to be truly great, you don't have to elevate yourself through laudatory documentaries.