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Fedoras and other signed items (opinions) ?

Re: Fedora

I'm not sure. The letter of authentication, and having Michael's name printed on the hat don't mean much.

There were fedoras being made to look like Michael's fedora's with the name printed in Gold, and I remember reading a disucssion on how that would affect finding the real deal --> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jac...690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19bd5695e2

Two other things, it seems they started to sign, stopped, nearly cut it off and then signed in full elsewhere. I don't know why Michael would do that - even if his signature wasn't coming out neatly, it's highly unlikely he'd do that. On the other hand, a forger might if he thought the initial signature wasn't looking real enough.

If this was signed for one person, would Michael address that one person as 'all'? Michael did that when there was a crowd, and he'd sign paper, napkins, pillows, etc., with messages to the crowd and throw it out to them.

Lastly, the white fedoras are rarer. He didn't wear them outside of performances. The seller says it's from 2009, which adds to the doubt. Michael was not seen publicly wearing a white fedora that year. He wore one for the Smooth Criminal filming, but I don't think he gave that away.These coupled with the fact fake hats were made, signature and all, the hat is most likely not his. Then there is a good the signature is forged too...
 
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Re: Fedora

It all looks like Michael's writing to me. Both the message and the signature. looks like one his custom made hats with His name on the inside ribbon. But the only thing I question is why the "I love you All". who all was he giving that hat too LOL. He didnt start a signature and stop - Its His Initials MJ with the star and then his whole signature and seems to come with a letter of authenticity. It says it was signed in London 2009 not that MJ gave it to somone in 2009. I see no reason to think its not his authentic Signature. No matter where the hat came from
 
Re: Fedora

^ I don't know qbee, why would Michael sign in two places? It doesn't make sense, and he generally signed in full for fans. So why would he put his initials there as well?


As a rule of thumb I'm very cautious about getting autographs from ebay. Unless there is photographic evidence.
 
Re: Fedora

See, I'm not so sure. I think it's fake, it doesn't look real to me,
 
Re: Fedora

I'd say this was a definite fake. IMHO the writing is wrong, the hat size is wrong. If it was a 'personal' fedora it wouldn't be 100% wool...cheapest sort. There seems to be no makers name in it, and indeed no lining, which is surprising. There is also no picture looking down on the top of the crown from the outside....I would want to see this view.

If this was genuine you would also be able to see a large-size copy of the authentication letter and would be able to see (and contact) the person who authenticated it...you can't say this is a leading authority and not say who it is!!LOL

Also this is a 'private' auction...always a bad sign.

And if it was genuine why would they be selling it for peanuts on ebay? (not that price is any indication of authenticity). If it was real, they could sell via a proper auction house and get a lot more for it.

I'm afraid that there are hundreds , possibly thousands of both white and black fedoras out there that have been made with Michael's 'genuine' gold lettered name inside.....some factory somewhere must be producing them in large quanitities. (A belated 'thank you' to Rhilo for the advert linked above...I've just seen it)


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http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/mjautographedwhitefedor.jpg/][/URL]


http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/genuinesmoothcriminalsi.png/][/URL]
 
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Re: Fedora

I dunno....looks very convincing to me as Michael's handwriting/signature.
 
bubbyduck4MJ;3600727 said:
What do you guys think of this one? It looks legit to me.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Michael-...usic_Music_Memorabilia_LE&hash=item27c3a38c25

This one is from a seller I have bought from before..

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/michael-...usic_Music_Memorabilia_LE&hash=item2a19a1df9a
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I'm afraid I'm not convinced by either signature.

I am also asking myself why, if a signed hat is so authentic, the seller is not selling via a major auction house, where it would probably sell for £3k plus. But then major auction houses have careful authenticators..... with reputations to uphold.
 
Re: Fedora

Rhilo said:
As a rule of thumb I'm very cautious about getting autographs from ebay. Unless there is photographic evidence.
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I recommend not buying any autographs from ebay.........even the "certificate of authenticity" can be fake!

I would even go as far as to advise against people from buy autographs from anywhere, even memorabilia shops, unless there is irrefutable proof that is genuine. i.e. pictures of Michael personally signing it, or buying from the most hardcore MJ fans on the planet!!!!
 
Re: Fedora

^ Yeah that's probably good advice!

The only reason I can think of why people would rather sell on ebay is it might be easier and they don't have to pay the commission to the auction house?

This isn't a fedora but something pretty original...

It sort of looks printed on though. =/

If it was real.. wow I wish I could have it lol :p

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170796656856&fromMakeTrack=true
 
Re: Fedora

bubbyduck4MJ said:
^ Yeah that's probably good advice!

The only reason I can think of why people would rather sell on ebay is it might be easier and they don't have to pay the commission to the auction house?

This isn't a fedora but something pretty original...

It sort of looks printed on though. =/

If it was real.. wow I wish I could have it lol :p

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170796656856&fromMakeTrack=true
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Im afraid I'm not convinced by this. If it has a proper COA why is that not being shown in the photos? Michael's signature is usually much nicer than this.
T-shirts are not a great 'base' for signatures...most white ones eventually go yellow and don't look good. If I was going to buy a fake signature , I'd rather buy it on a nice photo, so at least you've got something to look at.
 
^Plus the seller's ratings aren't the best.
 
^^I clicked on the link, but it says that the item has been removed!!!
 
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