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Can someone be racist and an MJ fan at the same time?

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I thought this was impossible and such were mutually exclusive. But i was surprised to read someone comment on youtube. The statement was made as a result of the south African "annoying vuvuzela (as some will say)". They can criticise it if they want to but to insult a whole group of people and use words like " Typical African behaviour, they act like utter animals" surprised me. I was even disappointed when i clicked on the persons account, only to find some MJ video.


anyway this was the person (JusticeSeeker1000) statemen/comment:

• JusticeSeeker1000
4 hours ago

Typical African behaviour, they act like utter animals, and then when anyone complains, they shout "racism racism" it's the same with crime in the UK and US, it's massively Black related, and when they get stopped and searched by the police, or when the police catch them they cry "racism"

They've ruined the world cup, thank you South Africa, I will never visit your country, please don't come to ours if you can't be open to other cultures, you loud, rude, ignorant little people.


This is the video which sparked such comment and i guess the person comment should be at page 13/14/15 by now :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrYb9qtO8OQ&feature=related


P.S: For you information, i don't know whether that person is hardcore MJ fan (but neverthe less he/she has MJ videos) and also don't know the race of the person (but MJ sure he/she ain't south african). I don't have a youtube account, i would have sent him or her a comment.

This is the persons you tube account:
http://www.youtube.com/user/JusticeSeeker1000

Anyway, i hope he or she isn't an MJ fan because that will be very disappointing and hypocritical.
 
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Even if he isn't a MJ fan, he shouldn't talk about black people like that.
 
Well I'm sure there are even KKK members who couldn't help but to love MJ's music! haha
MJ is just that powerful that hardened racists can make an exception, crazy, but it happens.

And yeah, there are plenty of people out there who would cry racism at the drop of a hat and jump to that accusation a little too quickly. But there are many who have valid reasons for it after they've ruled out all possibilities of why they are being followed in a clothing store when no one else is, etc...

But as far as that comment of "typical African behavior," and "they act like utter animals" leads me to believe that he has been brainwashed by old media depictions of Africa e.g: they only live in huts, they are barbaric, not educated, and are inferior to other races -slavery.

Anyway, I'm sure there are plenty of things that other countries do that annoys the hell out of the next country, it just so happens that this (annoying) vuvuzela noise is being broadcast to the world.

Hmmm...brainwashed by the media, sounds a little familiar...
 
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Why not? A lot of Neo-Nazi skinheads like reggae and ska music.
 
of course plenty of racists love music of people of races they hate.

i remember being on a different michael forum and some person from europe said she liked michael as ''white''...she preferred his light skin over his dark skin. she found him more attractive. and i don't quite remember.. but she said it in a way to make it sound that she liked him ''white''...
but it rubbed me the wrong way. it was a topic on which michael you find attractive the most or something like that. every michael fan has a favorite era.....but she brought his skin color too much into it.

but it made me think if there were other fans out there who looked at michael as white or whatever else....not simply the ''colorless'' michael as fans see him simply because he crossed many racial boundries while he had darker skin... but it made me wonder if theres people out there saying ''gee i can relate to michael more now because he looks ''white'' now.. if that makes sense they look at him ''colorless'' in some odd racist different way.
he was a black man at the end of the day with a disorder and i dislike dumb remarks like what was said by that girl.
 
Personally, I don't think of Michael as a "race" or "color." To me he is much more beyond his race. So I definitely think someone racist against black people can be a Michael Jackson fan. But that's just how I personally look at it. Michael's music is for everyone no matter who they are or what they did/do. I think his music is powerful enough for anybody and everybody.
 
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Of course you can be a fan of someone's music and still be rascist. Only fans who have gone beyond the music, and love and appreciate the man, his message and his soul, will be likely to reflect this in their attitutdes and behaviour. I know a lot of people who have changed because of getting to know Michael and his loving nature.

I agree that Michael is not defined by any category. 'He's not gonna spend his life being a colour' ;)
 
I think that sometimes racism is like "hidden"... like when people say "I'm not racist", and even if their words and actions contradicts them, they still think to be not racist... so is very possible.

(sorry, my english s**ks today...)
 
Yes you can be a MJ fan and still be racist I'm not racist but it's like being a straight guy and liking Madonna of course Madges str8 fans exist it's just a big generalisation that you have to be a Gay male to appreciate Madonna.
 
Thriller_MJ said:
Yes you can be a MJ fan and still be racist I'm not racist but it's like being a straight guy and liking Madonna of course Madges str8 fans exist it's just a big generalisation that you have to be a Gay male to appreciate Madonna.
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Well... it's not exactly the same thing o_O
 
Gina_Marie said:
Well I'm sure there are even KKK members who couldn't help but to love MJ's music! haha
MJ is just that powerful that hardened racists can make an exception, crazy, but it happens.

And yeah, there are plenty of people out there who would cry racism at the drop of a hat and jump to that accusation a little too quickly. But there are many who have valid reasons for it after they've ruled out all possibilities of why they are being followed in a clothing store when no one else is, etc...

But as far as that comment of "typical African behavior," and "they act like utter animals" leads me to believe that he has been brainwashed by old media depictions of Africa e.g: they only live in huts, they are barbaric, not educated, and are inferior to other races -slavery.

Anyway, I'm sure there are plenty of things that other countries do that annoys the hell out of the next country, it just so happens that this (annoying) vuvuzela noise is being broadcast to the world.

Hmmm...brainwashed by the media, sounds a little familiar...
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incredible post.

we need a thanks function in this forum!!

ps. it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference in the world, but im mixed black and white for anyone that cares! :D
 
it's a great question...and that's why some subjects are taboo on this site.

it also does prove MJ's special place. after all, a lot of blacks abandoned MJ, and accused him of 'abandoning his race', but they can't help but listen to his music.

i guess this question can be lopped into the bin with why a racist is sexually attracted to someone of the race that he hates.

i guess that one would have to do with the power of sex, itself.

lol let's face it..some questions can't be fully answered.
 
144 said:
it's a great question...and that's why some subjects are taboo on this site.

it also does prove MJ's special place. after all, a lot of blacks abandoned MJ, and accused him of 'abandoning his race', but they can't help but listen to his music.

i guess this question can be lopped into the bin with why a racist is sexually attracted to someone of the race that he hates.

i guess that one would have to do with the power of sex, itself.

lol let's face it..some questions can't be fully answered.
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:clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
Of course you can, some are even members of this site.
 
They could be a casual fan, but a dedicated fan would never be racist. Michael stood for peace and a true fan would never do something like be racist, as they know Michael would be dead against it !!
 
144 said:
it's a great question...and that's why some subjects are taboo on this site.

it also does prove MJ's special place. after all, a lot of blacks abandoned MJ, and accused him of 'abandoning his race', but they can't help but listen to his music.

i guess this question can be lopped into the bin with why a racist is sexually attracted to someone of the race that he hates.

i guess that one would have to do with the power of sex, itself.

lol let's face it..some questions can't be fully answered.
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Yup, just about establishing control over another. Anything to establish some kind of perceived superiority of someone else. Racism, sexual violence you name it.

And of course, hypocrisy can be found anywhere.

MJ had a huge bandwidth of an audience- within that kind of global and huge audience you'll find all aspects of society represented.

Michael was sort of a mirror that shone back very brightly all kinds of human traits.
When people accused him of sexual misconduct with a child- they did it because in their mind holding the hand of a minor male child must have signified sexual interest. And like he said in the 60 Minutes Interview- that says more about the commenters/accusers mindset, than his own.

Same with this kind of racism. Being a MJ fan and being a racist, yeah, won't be the last time for that kind of thing.

Tough job, but Michael really served as a mirror of humankind.
 
Chaos said:
Of course you can, some are even members of this site.
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Word. I find gingers offensive and I love MJ.

No but seriously, it's possible. He's "crossed over" to where he's no longer just a black icon. Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are also examples of this.
 
I am one that believes that given the right set of circumstances, 95-99% of people are racist. I'm sorry, but it's true. We are conditioned from such a young age to have a superiority complex over anybody for anything that makes us different. Most people would not be biggots forthright, but as I said, give them the right set of circumstances and, voila!

It takes a very special person to be able to circumvent conditioning that takes place since almost birth.
 
ginvid said:
I am one that believes that given the right set of circumstances, 95-99% of people are racist. I'm sorry, but it's true. We are conditioned from such a young age to have a superiority complex over anybody for anything that makes us different. Most people would not be biggots forthright, but as I said, give them the right set of circumstances and, voila!

It takes a very special person to be able to circumvent conditioning that takes place since almost birth.
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Good point. I tend to agree with this
 
ginvid said:
I am one that believes that given the right set of circumstances, 95-99% of people are racist. I'm sorry, but it's true. We are conditioned from such a young age to have a superiority complex over anybody for anything that makes us different. Most people would not be biggots forthright, but as I said, give them the right set of circumstances and, voila!

It takes a very special person to be able to circumvent conditioning that takes place since almost birth.
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This is true (well, I don't agree with the superiority complex, I would say it's more fear of the unknown and of the change). I'm making a work experience with migrants from various parts of the world and even if I considered myself not racist, now I see how much prejudices I had. I'm very thankful I had the opportunity to do what I'm doing right now.
 
Before the late 1960's, in the USA some whites would go to see black acts, but the acts had to enter the place they were playing through a delivery entrance or kitchen when a white act could come in through the audience or though the front entrance. Black entertainers also couldn't stay in the hotels or eat in most restaurants. Some had to sleep in their car or tour bus or maybe a black family's house if one was around. If a black act used a swimming pool, the water was emptied and pool cleaned before whites would use it. Also the audiences were usually segregated. Either there were separate performances for whites & blacks, or if the show was non-segragated, there was some type of rope to divide the races or the whites were on the floor near the stage and the blacks were in the balcony. Back in the 1950s, covers of black songs by white singers like Pat Boone often outsold the original songs. There was also more subtle racism like a black act had to "cross over" to the "pop" (or white) chart or mainstream. Black (or other minority) acts were only taken seriously and written about by the mainstream press if they crossed over. More recently there was that 1990's so-called "Latin Explosion" which was short lived. Many of those acts had been around for years, but because the mainstream started buying it, they started being written up by the non-ethnic press.
 
i guess theres a difference between being a fan of his music and fans of his beliefs etc. but then if u really are racist how can u like anything coming from the race u dont like. its pretty hypocritical. strange person.
 
I am one that believes that given the right set of circumstances, 95-99% of people are racist. I'm sorry, but it's true. We are conditioned from such a young age to have a superiority complex over anybody for anything that makes us different.
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i think its more the animal instincts of survival and pack mentality rather than being conditioned. no ones conditioned unless u are raised by racists
 
Well, this question sounds like an oxymoron to me because being an MJ fan does not only mean liking his music. It means liking his music + what he stood for, it means liking his character, his values i.e tolerance, love, being broad-minded, etc ......... One cannot be broad-minded and racist at the same time.

I do not interact with racist people but maybe there are racist people who like the beats of his songs, the melodies, his voice etc..... but they do not like the message of some of his songs, e.g Man in the mirror, Heal the world, Earth song, etc.........

I mean i do not know, i would not call a guy who likes to beat the cr*p out of his kid for no reason while listening to/singing an mj song an MJ fan: "You rocked my *kick sound* you know you did, and every *left-right sound* own i give, the rarest *headbutt sound* who'd think i'd find someone like you to call mine."


It just does not sound right.
 
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DuranDuran said:
Before the late 1960's, in the USA some whites would go to see black acts, but the acts had to enter the place they were playing through a delivery entrance or kitchen when a white act could come in through the audience or though the front entrance. Black entertainers also couldn't stay in the hotels or eat in most restaurants. Some had to sleep in their car or tour bus or maybe a black family's house if one was around. If a black act used a swimming pool, the water was emptied and pool cleaned before whites would use it. Also the audiences were usually segregated. Either there were separate performances for whites & blacks, or if the show was non-segragated, there was some type of rope to divide the races or the whites were on the floor near the stage and the blacks were in the balcony. Back in the 1950s, covers of black songs by white singers like Pat Boone often outsold the original songs. There was also more subtle racism like a black act had to "cross over" to the "pop" (or white) chart or mainstream. Black (or other minority) acts were only taken seriously and written about by the mainstream press if they crossed over. More recently there was that 1990's so-called "Latin Explosion" which was short lived. Many of those acts had been around for years, but because the mainstream started buying it, they started being written up by the non-ethnic press.
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truth is, the charts still kinda represent a divide, today. r and b charts...pop charts..latin charts..etc. and when american idol artists win, they seem to be divided on the radio, depending on skin color...

any way you look at it, the end result feels the same..

Michael did break barriers like none of these programs and charts seem willing to do.
 
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Michael did break barriers like none of these programs and charts seem willing to do.
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But nobody in the mainstream cared about Mike when he was a "R&B" act. He and the Jacksons/J5 were featured mainly in black magazines like Ebony, Right On!, Jet, etc. They were rarely in the mainstream magazines like Rolling Stone or People. MTV ignored Mike's videos until CBS Records threatened to remove their other white acts like Bruce Springsteen & Journey. If you look at the Triumph tour, the audience was mostly black, but at the Victory tour after Mike "crossed over", the audience was more white. That's when everything started to go downhill.
 
Thriller_MJ said:
Most people I know tend to dislike Muslims so MJ fans are no different from other people :).
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Seriously, I can't understand these fans? We are the world!! They do not suppose to be a MJ fan if they are racist.. Michael won't his fan be racist :(

It makes me angry.
 
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