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Dear all

Lately we have been seeing a heightened sense of tension in this section. I appreciate that everyone's emotions are ragged at the moment as the anniversary is just around the corner, I can completely empathise. But that is simply no excuse for the level of hate we have been seeing here lately.

Some of you have issues with members of the Jackson family and do not agree with things they have done in the past and we respect that. But there is a very fine line between criticism and spite and that is crossed at times. We have seen people going into threads just to say how much they dislike that member of the Jackson family. If you don't like them then stay out of the thread. All it does is causes arguments and leads to insults and hurt feelings which is something we do not want here and will not have here.

These are members of Michael's family and it is not what is said but how it is said. We encourage discussion here but when it turns into spiteful and hateful arguments we have to close threads which isn't fair to anyone that wanted to have a discussion on the matter. The level of criticism is at a level that we simply will not tolerate on here and it stops right now. Criticism is fine but what we have been seeing here STOPS RIGHT NOW

Currently no matter if the thread is positive or negative we end up having to mass clean or close it. A recent example is when Janet was at the MET ball and some members came into the thread just to call her insults and names. This is simply something that will not be tolerated.

We are a Michael Jackson community but that does not mean we can rag members of his family at the level that has been happening here. They must be respected. No more going into threads about members just to call them a name. If members continue to do this then further action will be taken.

Thank you all very much for your time in reading this. I hope you all appreciate that this is done for the sake of the whole community. It has and always will be your home.
 
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sloride said:
Dear all

Lately we have been seeing a heightened sense of tension in this section. I appreciate that everyone's emotions are ragged at the moment as the anniversary is just around the corner, I can completely empathise. But that is simply no excuse for the level of hate we have been seeing here lately.

Some of you have issues with members of the Jackson family and do not agree with things they have done in the past and we respect that. But there is a very fine line between criticism and spite and that is crossed at times. We have seen people going into threads just to say how much they dislike that member of the Jackson family. If you don't like them then stay out of the thread. All it does is causes arguments and leads to insults and hurt feelings which is something we do not want here and will not have here.

These are members of Michael's family and it is not what is said but how it is said. We encourage discussion here but when it turns into spiteful and hateful arguments we have to close threads which isn't fair to anyone that wanted to have a discussion on the matter. The level of criticism is at a level that we simply will not tolerate on here and it stops right now. Criticism is fine but what we have been seeing here STOPS RIGHT NOW

Currently no matter if the thread is positive or negative we end up having to mass clean or close it. A recent example is when Janet was at the MET ball and some members came into the thread just to call her insults and names. This is simply something that will not be tolerated.

We are a Michael Jackson community but that does not mean we can rag members of his family at the level that has been happening here. They must be respected. No more going into threads about members just to call them a name. If members continue to do this then further action will be taken.

Thank you all very much for your time in reading this. I hope you all appreciate that this is done for the sake of the whole community. It has and always will be your home.
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Thank you for posting this Sloride :) Perhaps make this a sticky?
 
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I agree that it is not nice when some members attack the entire Jackson family. For example, I see no reason to attack Michael's nephews.

I am a big fan of 3T.

The problem is some family members.

I will respect the forum rules, but do not expect love letters to Janet. In my country the highest rating program said MJ was a "drug addict" and blamed him for his own death because of what Janet said.

The same blood means nothing.

Members who say things about some Jacksons do not like to be negative. They say that because a forum about Michael Jackson is the only place where the truth can be told.

Simple like that.
 
It's a forum no? A free forum no?

If one or more members of the Jackson family make a stupid thing, we are not allowed to say " it's stupid what he or she said! "?

We must always be nice and good even if they say or do something stupid???????????

I'm a fan of The King of Pop, not the Jackson family.
 
No one is asking you to be always nice to the Jackson family. Nor did sloride say that. Don't act as if you cannot comprehend what she is stating. Anyone on the board in 2300 can see how it denegrates in many threads. Threads which have nothing to do with MJ, just commenting on the families activities, are overrun with off topic posts about, "They said this, or did this". When there is a thread specifically about that topic, and they say something off kilter, by all means, call them out. Let it be known that you do not approve. But don't derail every thread with such comments as some have
been doing.

No one expects you to be a fan of family. Shoot, I'm not a fan of most of the family. And I am surely not a fan of some of their comments. But we are just trying to have some decorum on the board. Their is a difference between showing disapproval and just spitting in someone's face. And, If anyone does not know how to relay their opinions without shredding them to pieces then they need not post.
 
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ginvid said:
No one is asking you to be always nice to the Jackson family. Nor did sloride say that. Don't act as if you cannot comprehend what she is stating. Anyone on the board in 2300 can see how it denegrates in many threads. Threads which have nothing to do with MJ, just commenting on the families activities, are overrun with off topic posts about, "They said this, or did this". When there is a thread specifically about that topic, and they say something off kilter, by all means, call them out. Let it be known that you do not approve. But don't derail every thread with such comments as some have
been doing.

No one expects you to be a fan of family. Shoot, I'm not a fan of most of the family. And I am surely not a fan of some of their comments. But we are just trying to have some decorum on the board. Their is a difference between showing disapproval and just spitting in someone's face. And, If anyone does not know how to relay their opinions without shredding them to pieces than they need not post.
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your post is a good clearing up of what is trying to be said.

i don't think that members hate the Jackson family. i think there is this deep frustration, where 'paper cut' comments against Michael Jackson seem to escape everybody, but paper cut type comments about everyone else, doesn't escape anyone..whether or not they are Jackson blood.

for instance..i see in the thread in MJ news and happenings, a thread about Andrew Lloyd Webber, praising MJ's music. but at the end of the thread, Webber assumes that MJ got himself in trouble, debt, and, essentially, ended his own life. nobody saw that, because it was such a subtle way that Webber described it. these things are very small, and they cleverly seduce even the fans,(maybe, unknowingly, because it's subliminal) into believing unproven, unfounded bad things about Michael, which, by now, have become copy and paste fodder. and, it seems that, along with everything that has happened to Michael, this is just put on top of it. and because it is always said as if it's 'not such a big deal', there is this secret backlash, that divides fans, amongst each other, because some fans accuse other fans of being too overly sensitive about what is said about Michael(despite everything that has happened, accumulatively, over the years, to him, while fans were expected to stay quiet about it), yet, if someone else, whether it be part of MJ's family, or..Webber, is, even so much as slightly checked, for what they say, those MJ fans are immediately accused of bashing the rest of the world. all that, combined, backs those MJ fans into a helpless corner, and it all builds up inside. despite the ever present obviousness of the unprecedented suffering that MJ went through, along with fans that defend him, there are people that act as if they didn't see all of it accumulate. it's like MJ is on this island, where there is one set of rules for him, slanting toward the negative, and another set of rules for everybody else(including, the rest of his family, and media) that leans more toward the positive.

it's as embarrassing, and as twisted as every negative thing that MJ ever went through.

so, the result is a special type of anger that these fans feel, understandably. and the easy thing to do, is to label it as 'hate', when i think we all know the difference between this, and real hate.

i mean, i think the best way to make a comparison, is this...

if your brother sleeps with your wife, you are going to let your brother have it, like you would, no one else. does that mean, you hate your own brother? no. tragically, it's because you LOVE your own brother. in this scenario, Michael Jackson is the wife of these fans, and everybody who has a go at him, is the brother.

and, you say to the brother, that the brother should know better, because he is your brother. it just makes it all the more painful.

no one wants you to go after your own brother. but the thing is, he just slept with your WIFE.

i don't know if anybody can understand what i'm trying to say, here, but..

because of what MJ went through, these fans regard him as more than just their favorite artist. they regard him as 'a wife'. and those that attack him, have become the brother, because the intensity of what MJ went through, and the accumulation of it all, makes every negative thing said about him, more magnified, and the people who say the negative things, feel like relatives, because we're so used to the negativity about Michael, that we feel like we know the naysayers, as if they are our own relatives. so the pain of the negativity is that much deeper. and quite frankly, rightfully so. and, if the naysayers really are members of MJ's family, then the cuts are even more painful, and are much deeper.

so, i think we all know, deep down inside, that hate has nothing to do with why we lash out at those who either said negative things about MJ, or, are perceived to have, or did do negative things to MJ.
though, i must say, that fans do come right out and say they hate only certain people. people like Tom Sneddon, and Martin Bashir. but i've never seen anybody say, I HATE JANET JACKSON. i think these fans differentiate, quite well.

at the end of the day, i just think these fans that are being accused of hate, have been backed into a very clever, and frustrating corner, that they don't feel they know how to get out of, and they seem to be made to keep it all inside. so..it explodes.
 
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Well of course, since this is an MJ board, we expect to find people especially partial to MJ. And with all that he had to go through in his life that many act as if it never happened, many fans can get very protective of him. It is understandable. But what happens many times is above and beyond the call of duty. That is what we want to curb.
The family many times say things we do not agree with. Or they say things that are down right false. Of course, we are going to speak up for MJ because I think we would like the best for him. Nut, we can let our feelings be made known without letting them consume us. We don't know all circumstances of his life, or his family's life either. But that does not mean we are ignorant of everything. It is our actual and perceived connection to Mj that impels us to fight for him. We are just saying it doesn't have to be a blood bath.
 
i know it shouldn't be a blood bath, but can you imagine anything more surprising and bloodier than putting on top of everything that happened to MJ, including his death, the idea of his own sister, Janet Jackson saying he was a drug addict, and the 'love goddess' oprah winfrey, pluse tyler perry, saying, yep, he sure was. and then on top of that, they all say that they were saying it with 'love'?

that's called gushing the blood, in our faces.

i mean, we're saying like..hey..did you just at least notice, that he just died?

i mean, we all would think that, of all people, Janet was too wounded to dare say anything like that, publically, so soon, with reinforcements.

at that point, we felt like all three of them cut us in the jugular. not to mention, Michael was cut, once again, while he lay there dead. and that was where we were coming from, while being asked to keep the decorum.

it's like they were saying..
'hahaha...take that. and take that, as well. and, shut up, while you're doing it. i don't care if he's dead. and it was the moderators job, here, to, well..help out those big three.

i realize you have no choice but to keep this place peaceful. but that was what was happening.

and, quite frankly, what Janet said, and the atmosphere in which she said it, with the support she got, was quite appropro and fitting to everything that ever happened to Michael. in retrospect, it seemed to be just the kind of thing that would be aimed at Michael, considering everything that happened to him.

and that was the salt in the wound that would garner our reactions.

in summary, everybody thinks they love Michael..no matter what they do to him.
 
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Thanks for this, Sloride. However, it seems that some posters, in response to this new directive are still trying to sneak in one more punch at family members.

Thanks to all the moderators for trying to keep the boards a nice place to be!
 
144,000 AGREE SO MUCH with you.
I agree with every word you wrote.
Thank You.
 
The forum is taking a dangerous direction.

I'm not talking about freedom of speech. Of course the community should have rules. The problem is that it's clear that some family members do NOT care about MJ's interests. What they need to do for all you see that? Write a letter? Write a song (Oops, sorry Jermaine)?

I hope this is my last post on the subject. I will respect the new rules.

Let's see what happens until the next disastrous interview.
 
I think some of you still are not understanding. We are not saying do not speak out against what the family says. Let's take a for example:

There is a thread about an interview a family member did. They say something untrue in that interview. We call them out on it. No problem.

There is a thread about a family member going on a shopping spree. And it goes like this, "Well, they said he was an addict. They are liars. They are stupid. They can't wait to drag MJ's name through the mud".

See the difference? All of those comments are off topic and unneccessary. That is not even what the thresd is about. The topic was that a family member went shopping. Family members who have not even said anything bad about MJ are attacked as well. These are the things that will not be tolerated.

I hope that clears it up a bit better.
 
I would suggest this:

If youre about to post something about a member of Michaels family..stop, re-read, and think - 'Would Michael take offence at what you are saying about his BLOOD' if youre not sure, then ask yourself 'if someone said this about YOUR family, how would YOU feel'

Michael may have had his ups and downs with his family, but they were still the most important people on earth to him. In any family relationship, No matter what disputes or issues, the bond is strongest you will find, and you dont mess with blood.

Its isnt about respect for the family, im not expecting anyone to happy about certain things. But it IS a matter of respect for Michael. take this as an example... You dont get on with your other halfs mother, You love your other half and respect his feelings... you might call the mother out and explain rationally why his/her mother is upsetting you... but you would NEVER slag them off. I know im not explaining it very well, but its the same principle. You could be Michaels biggest fan, but if he heard some of the things that were said about his family, he sure wouldnt be a fan of you!

Michael was about love, tolerance and respect...and on top of that, family unity. That extends to his family and what Michael stood for should be respected. Critisism and bashing are different things, and I really feel the latter doesnt belong here.
 
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Just because their last name is Jackson & they are blood0-related to MJ doesn't mean we have to bite our tongue and call them out on their despicable & greedy behavior

As I have stated previously, not all of the Jacksons are money-hungry, attention-whores seekers

But those that are, Greedy Randall is at the top of my list, should be called out...

Those that DON'T UNDERSTAND the Randy bashing...ask yourself, do you want to understand it...? Unless you are new MJ fans, Randy's misdeeds against his brother are very well documented.

There are news reports (not tabloid) and Michael Jackson's own 2007 deposition against Prescient Financing to go by.
 
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Wow... the new fan old fan debate again. it doesnt matter how long youve been a fan... what matter is respect for Michael. I am more than aware of Michaels history with Randy but His family are family... end of story. How would you like it if someone slagged off your brother? Im pretty certain that any decent human being would be pissed, not matter how turbulent the relationship. Theres a fine line between critisism and HATE. Critisising someones actions may be apropriate, but throwing hate around shouldnt be tolerated in ANY circumstances. Damn, its the whole reason I havent posted here for months, and Im yet to see that this has changed.

You dont need to bite your tongue, that wasnt my suggestion... my suggestion is to think about what youre saying, are you constructivly discussing someones actions, or simply slagging them off? theres a big difference.
 
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Wow... the new fan old fan debate again. it doesnt matter how long youve been a fan... what matter is respect for Michael. His family are family... end of story. How would you like it if someone slagged off your brother? Im pretty certain that any decent human being would be pissed, not matter how turbulent the relationship. Theres a fine line between critisism and HATE. Critisising someones actions may be approroate. but throwing hate around shouldnt be tolerated in ANY circumstances. Damn, its the whole reason I havent posted here for months, nice to see things have changed.
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Get off your high horse...I wasn't putting anyone down (see bolded section)

I have been an MJ fan since 1982 and even every now and then I learn something new about him.

It is a fact many fans are clueless to the backstabbing going on in that family. Like MJ said in one of his famous recordings: family unity my a$$.
 
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I think some of you still are not understanding. We are not saying do not speak out against what the family says. Let's take a for example:

There is a thread about an interview a family member did. They say something untrue in that interview. We call them out on it. No problem.

There is a thread about a family member going on a shopping spree. And it goes like this, "Well, they said he was an addict. They are liars. They are stupid. They can't wait to drag MJ's name through the mud".

See the difference? All of those comments are off topic and unneccessary. That is not even what the thresd is about. The topic was that a family member went shopping. Family members who have not even said anything bad about MJ are attacked as well. These are the things that will not be tolerated.

I hope that clears it up a bit better.
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Thankyou
 
D.Electric said:
Wow... the new fan old fan debate again. it doesnt matter how long youve been a fan... what matter is respect for Michael. I am more than aware of Michaels history with Randy but His family are family... end of story. How would you like it if someone slagged off your brother? Im pretty certain that any decent human being would be pissed, not matter how turbulent the relationship. Theres a fine line between critisism and HATE. Critisising someones actions may be apropriate, but throwing hate around shouldnt be tolerated in ANY circumstances. Damn, its the whole reason I havent posted here for months, and Im yet to see that this has changed.

You dont need to bite your tongue, that wasnt my suggestion... my suggestion is to think about what youre saying, are you constructivly discussing someones actions, or simply slagging them off? theres a big difference.
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I agree with this! :clapping:
 
Memefan said:
Get off your high horse...I wasn't putting anyone down.

I have been an MJ fan since 1982 and even every now and then I learn something new about him.

It is a fact many fans are clueless to the backstabbing going on in that family. Like MJ said in one of his famous recordings: family unity my a$$.
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where exactly in my post was I 'on my high horse'.. I was merely expressing my point of view on something we obviously dont agree on... Another example of the diference between critisism and slagging off. If y ou dont agree with me fine... but it didnt warrent that response. Love, just because someone doesnt have the same view as you doesnt mean their an ass...

A member of staff has asked that the bashing stops and you argued against... I didnt think that was cool, so I called you out on it... I didnt disrespect or slag you off. Thats what the OP was saying. call out cool, bad mouth not.
 
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where exactly in my post was I 'on my high horse'.. I was merely expressing my point of view on something we obviously dont agree on... Another example of the diference between critisism and slagging off. If y ou dont agree with me fine... but it didnt warrent that response. Love, just because someone doesnt have the same view as you doesnt mean their an ass...

A member of staff has asked that the bashing stops and you argued against... I didnt think that was cool, so I called you out on it... I didnt disrespect or slag you off. Thats what the OP was saying. call out cool, bad mouth not.
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See bolded section in my first reply.

Who called you an ass??? Are we reading the same comments or are we again lost in translation?
 
I probably over reacted slightly on the calling me an ass... but I wasnt pleased with you telling me to get off my high horse. I was merely stating that it doesnt matter how long youve been a fan, everyone has the ability to be respectful when discussing the family - even when calling them out on something theyve done. I shouldnt have said 'wow...that debate again'... but I think my point was, Someone can be a fan for a few months but still know this stuff, and i dont think its right to assume people are ignorant just because they dont like to see some of the hate on this board. Anyway, I dont really want to argue, so yeh... nothing else to add.
 
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I probably over reacted slightly on the calling me an ass... but I wasnt pleased with you telling me to get off my high horse.
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Let's agree to disagree...I will continue putting Randy on blast whenever I feel like it. He comes here....so I am pretty sure he will enjoy knowing not all of us are blind to his schemes.

And the Randy adoration on twitter is driving me MAD (really!!!).....so there needs to be a balance. LOL

The other day, I gladly reminded him that he still owes many fans thousands of dollars from the MJ website scheme he pulled off with Karen Faye and his concubine during the trial.

Funny enough, he never replied to my question...as to why MJ fired him after the trial. Oh well....to be continued.
 
I completly agree that you have the right to call him out - Im not disputing that. I'm not a fan of Randys and I dont agree with alot of things hes done - But I personally have to respect the fact that he was Michaels brother, and business aside, he loved him. I could turn the air blue with my anger, but its not respectful to Michael, or the people on this forum who dont want to see that kind of negativity. And by that I dont mean by NOT discussing Randys actions, but in doing it constructivly, rather than 'OMFG, that randy is such a *** ***** ***' - Which is what the OP was asking. Does that explain what I mean a little better?
 
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I completly agree that you have the right to call him out - Im not disputing that. I'm not a fan of Randys and I dont agree with alot of things hes done - But I personally have to respect the fact that he was Michaels brother, and business aside, he loved him. I could turn the air blue with my anger, but its not respectful to Michael, or the people on this forum who dont want to see that kind of negativity. And by that I dont mean by NOT discussing Randys actions, but in doing it constructivly, rather than 'OMFG, that randy is such a *** ***** ***' - Which is what the OP was asking. Does that explain what I mean a little better?
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Yes. A lot clearer.
 
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