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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

SmoothMel7 said:
Here is what information I was able to retrieve from John Barnes thanks to https://www.mjhideout.com/forum/thr...re-algunos-temas-ineditos.124106/post-2206597

“Make or Break” was a song written by Michael and myself. We never really finished it. There is an incomplete voice demo. There is also some lyrics. This was the third piece I created with the Synclavier. I think it has potential as a song. He didn't get into Bad.

"Alright now" was recorded by Ralph Tresvant. I recorded a demo with Michael. It predates “Make or Break.”

“Buffalo Bill” is great but we haven’t completely finished it yet. I love it and would love to help finish it. "Buffalo Bill", like several other songs, is a sample from Victory and was considered for inclusion on Bad. “Buffalo Bill” is one of the first full songs I composed for and with Michael.

Not all of these songs were recorded at Hayvenhurst. There have been many other studies. We work in Los Angeles and the Valley. I also worked in studios in different cities while we traveled with the Victory Tour. My full-time job was working in the studio with Michael on a lot of things. I developed and created songs, worked with new technologies, developed new sounds from the end of Thriller to Dangerous. Many people have worked on sessions with MJ. Almost no one worked with him like me. Since then, I have worked with him on several occasions, notably in Bahrain. So far, I haven't worked anything with the Domaine. Soon I will share more experiences and memories with you. It's difficult to hear people speaking as experts who weren't as involved as you think.

[About the sessions at Caribou Ranch] Caribou Ranch was awesome. I will tell you more about this. We stayed there 3 or 4 days. David Williams also came. The ranch was great but unfortunately the studio burned down shortly after.


John Barnes - Facebook 2016

'' 'Tomboy' is a classic mid-'80s, complete with synthesizer drums, lovely strings, a nice guitar riff, and slap bass reminiscent of the 'Captain EO' soundtrack. The song also features a subtle 'ba-da-ba-da-bab-bab' melody which is almost identical to the 'I bet you remember' one in 'Remember the Time,' released on Michael Jackson's 'Dangerous' album six years later.

"Roger played well on Tomboy, but the song was just okay, in my opinion. Michael liked it, but it didn't hold up in comparison to the other music that was available for 'Bad'."..

The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Neff-U mixed it in 2008, didn't he. Then some more in 2010. Yeah I think that's possible. I had it in my head that he worked on it before MJ died but wasn't sure if I was mixing it up with something else or not.
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If you have any other information from John Barnes from his Facebook, I'm interested!
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Allegedly a quote from 2008 by David Williams:

"Buffalo Bill was a different direction for Michael. It has a prominent vocal sound and includes his brothers singing more than in the past."

And Matt Forger on Tomboy:

"It's a very fun song, up-tempo with a lot of character and energy. It was one of the songs that I think was quite complete. It has a fantastic topic and I'm very hopeful that it will come out at some point."
 
Fuzball said:
And Matt Forger on Tomboy:

"It's a very fun song, up-tempo with a lot of character and energy. It was one of the songs that I think was quite complete. It has a fantastic topic and I'm very hopeful that it will come out at some point."
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Can't wait for Tomboy!
I can't wait, wait for a hundred years!
 
Hot_Street said:
Can't wait for Tomboy!
I can't wait, wait for a hundred years!
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You just reminded me, I dont think ive said this anywhere online apart from a few friends, but when i talked to the Jacksons last June, i told Marlon i loved "Wait", to which he started singing the chorus to before all the brothers sung it in like a hummed/sung harmony, it was insane

a few seconds then passed, and then Jackie said "Wait, that wasnt Marlon, I sung that" and we all just began laughing
 
Beano Wild said:
You just reminded me, I dont think ive said this anywhere online apart from a few friends, but when i talked to the Jacksons last June, i told Marlon i loved "Wait", to which he started singing the chorus to before all the brothers sung it in like a hummed/sung harmony, it was insane

a few seconds then passed, and then Jackie said "Wait, that wasnt Marlon, I sung that" and we all just began laughing
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What a great memory to have.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Just thinking about how much new info we've had over the past few years, this thread has been a great place to be.
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First you gotta go through the loads of misinformation to get to the real stuff but yeah I agree. This is my favorite thread on the forum by far.

I also can't believe just how much new material we got to hear in the last couple of years, who would've thought we were going to hear Chicago 1945, GYWOOM, Changes, Water, etc. on such a short period of time. It feels like it's a delirium lol.
 
DanGerouS- said:
10 years without a new official song release*.
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November 2022: Who Do You Know & WALWTG
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ChanceToDance said:
First you gotta go through the loads of misinformation to get to the real stuff but yeah I agree. This is my favorite thread on the forum by far.

I also can't believe just how much new material we got to hear in the last couple of years, who would've thought we were going to hear Chicago 1945, GYWOOM, Changes, Water, etc. on such a short period of time. It feels like it's a delirium lol.
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To be honnest is unbelievable I can't stop listening to Chicago 1945 and GYWOOM since it got leaked and I am not even suprised that Water or Adore You can get Leaked soon I just love when a song get leaked out of nowhere just to pissed off the estate 😂
 
Hot_Street said:
2 new songs in 10 years.
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plus Starlight, Behind the Mask (Mike's Mix), The Toy, She's Trouble
6 new songs in 10 years
WALWTG sounds the most interesting, but I'm not a big fan of all of these
there's way better material in the vault
 
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MJbr2 said:
She's Trouble and Starlight had been publicly available for 20 years or so prior to T40.
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They didn't even include Hot Street on T40. Which is odd. We still don't have an official version. Obviously, they are holding back material for T50.

If Hot Street is a copyright issue, they are at least holding back stuff like Why Can't I Be and Nymphette Lover.
 
Derek1984 said:
They didn't even include Hot Street on T40. Which is odd. We still don't have an official version. Obviously, they are holding back material for T50.

If Hot Street is a copyright issue, they are at least holding back stuff like Why Can't I Be and Nymphette Lover.
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And there's still no guarantee WCIB & Nymphette Lover even have MJ's vocals. The tape for Stand Tall, for example, had another singer's voice on it. Or they could be instrumental ideas. Could be anything, really.

AFAIK from this thread, Hot Street boils down to issues involving Quincy.
 
MJbr2 said:
True, but still available. So, not new. My point stands.
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There's entirely new tracks

Official releases of leaked tracks

And reissues of tracks we've already got

Thriller 40 gave us:

2 Entirely New Tracks (Technically 4 if you found the demos of Behind The Mask and The Toy to be unique and different enough, I personally might say it's 3)

2 Official Releases of Leaks

4 Reissues of tracks we already got. Only two of which really made sense, Carousel (Should've been the full length version tho) and Got The Hots, which was actually very hard to get on physical media.

I love Sunset Driver and accept it as a Thriller demo but it's certainly contentious, and CGOOTR makes no sense. Should've been TGIM demo.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Carousel (Should've been the full length version tho)
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That is the full version. The "intro" on the leaked version is just a metronome, not a part of the song itself.

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Got The Hots, which was actually very hard to get on physical media
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Not really if you have access to eBay or Discogs. A significant number of editions of the King of Pop 2008 compilation have the track.
You can find a copy of the Italian one, which features both the full version of Carousel (for the first time ever) and Got the Hots, for 10 euros on Discogs.

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
CGOOTR makes no sense. Should've been TGIM demo.
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It would fit a "deluxe box" better since it's a B-side. TGIM demo wouldn't fit either since it's just a demo of an album track.
 
MJbr2 said:
That is the full version. The "intro" on the leaked version is just a metronome, not a part of the song itself.
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The bridge was longer though. Like Rock With You.

MJbr2 said:
Not really if you have access to eBay or Discogs. A significant number of editions of the King of Pop 2008 compilation have the track.
You can find a copy of the Italian one, which features both the full version of Carousel (for the first time ever) and Got the Hots, for 10 euros on Discogs.
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Yeah, that's not easy. Not as easy as literally going to Target or Walmart and buying it off the shelf. Or Amazon. You can even rent CDs from the library nowadays.


MJbr2 said:
It would fit a "deluxe box" better since it's a B-side. TGIM demo wouldn't fit either since it's just a demo of an album track.
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I won't exactly argue with that. But so is Starlight.

It would be better on Disc 3, that's fair.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Yeah, that's not easy. Not as easy as literally going to Target or Walmart and buying it off the shelf. Or Amazon. You can even rent CDs from the library nowadays.
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My guy, if you don't think buying a CD online is easy, well... I see you're not the type to buy stuff online, are you? lol

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I won't exactly argue with that. But so is Starlight.
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Although it's fundamentally the same track, it's an embryo version with a completely different theme and lyrics. In that sense, the PYT demo would fit the idea better than both CGOTR and the others mentioned.
 
MJbr2 said:
My guy, if you don't think buying a CD online is easy, well... I see you're not the type to buy stuff online, are you? lol
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We ain't talking about me boy. We talking about your grandma or somebody who don't know what a computer is. Otherwise just go to Spotify.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
We ain't talking about me boy. We talking about your grandma or somebody who don't know what a computer is. Otherwise just go to Spotify.
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My grandma or somebody else who don't know what a computer is surely wouldn't be looking for a deep cut of Michael Jackson's discography, especially that being Got the Hots, my guy.
 
MJbr2 said:
My grandma or somebody else who don't know what a computer is surely wouldn't be looking for a deep cut of Michael Jackson's discography, especially that being Got the Hots, my guy.
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They wouldn't look for anything but Thriller or Off The Wall, let's not get into that. But that only further highlights how visibility means something.
 
MJbr2 said:
My grandma or somebody else who don't know what a computer is surely wouldn't be looking for a deep cut of Michael Jackson's discography, especially that being Got the Hots, my guy.
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But it’s nice to have it now on streaming services due to the anniversary, plus I don’t want to have to go through all the trouble just to find that one song. So it would be nice to have a re-release.
 
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