respect77;4149889 said:
The burden of proof is on Shana, not on me.
Yes I too want solid proof before I make up my mind about this whole thing but regarding Paul Walker
she didn't say anything but that he had a little crush on her and she found out. That's totally realistic
given the fact that she is really good looking. Probably a lot of guys got the hots for her why wouldn't Paul Walker?
You sounded like it's utterly ridiculous for her to claim such a thing or that
she talked about all kinds of celebs having crush on her and she is deluded. She only mentioned two, as far as I know.
respect77;4149889 said:
I am open to accepting this claim as true, but anyone can claim anything and to me her story just doesn't sound realistic. If MJ was so in love with Shana why did he marry LMP, why didn't he marry Shana? Doesn't make sense.
A possible explanation is that MJ married Lisa in 1994 he knew Shana since 1988. He could have had a romance with her
between 1988-1993 but then something went wrong, they broke up he married Lisa, then they broke up
he could have gone back to Shana then broke up again. After all Lisa and MJ did that very routine for years after the divorce.
Why wouldn't he do it with other women? He said it was not easy to live with him and he was always on the move with that kind of life
having on and off relationships would be likely.
It's possible that MJ had a falling out with Shana before he even met Lisa or at some point in 1993 or 1994.
It's also possible she was the girl with the "long African name" whom Liza Minelli talked about. She said she turned him down
and he was devastated. Would explain why he married Lisa Marie instead.
I don't know whether Mangatal is an African name or not , though.
Also, one doesn't have to be crazy in love with someone to have a romance. MJ told Rabbi Schmuley that love for him
was something very pure and he was not into all the sex and craziness and he didn't understand why people do
vulgar things with their bodies so it's possible that MJ loved Shana without having intercourse with her, especially
since he was raised as a Jehova Witness he was not supposed to have sex outside of marriage, he said on the Glenda tape
"not until I get married" that was likely a reference to that.
Think about those Brazilian girls MJ was hanging out with and kissed one of them full on. What was that all about?
Maybe MJ just wanted to have some fun with hot chicks. Does not mean he was in love with them doesn't even mean
he had sex with them.
respect77;4149889 said:
I hope you realize this is the same kind of argument haters would make when they cite all those ex-emloyees in support of Chandler and others.
No it's not. Those ex-employees sued MJ, threatened to sue him, lied under oath, ran to tabloids and sold shit,
teamed up with Gutierrez. They hated MJ and enjoyed humiliating him. They felt powerful and got a kick out of it.
They had plenty of reason to lie and they are all proven liars.
I can't say the same about any of these people. Especially Shaq O'Neill ? Why would he lie?
These people do not want to destroy MJ's legacy like creeps like Adrian McManus or Blanca Francia. They are not similar.
respect77;4149889 said:
People can have many motives to lie.
Sure, when it comes to MJ people lie for the hell of it not just for money.
But what would make all of them lie about the same thing when they won't make any money with it
and they won't benefit in any way? And Gregg Mitchell in particular is very adamant that Shana is telling the truth.
Why would he do that? Just for Shana he would make a fool of himself repeatedly?
respect77;4149889 said:
Shana's mother? Are you kidding me? It's not surprising if she supports her daughter.
Just because someone is someone's mother does not mean that she publicly supports her kid while she
know she is a big fat liar. She could have just stayed silent about the whole issue if she knows she is lying.
If I had a kid I would not support her if I knew she is telling a big fat lie and wants to fool people just to make a quick buck.
And I'm sure my mother wouldn't support me if I tried to pull a scam like that, either.
BTW Shana's bother also supports her. The whole family is lying for nothing? They won't make millions with this thing
like the Robsons want to make milions with their lies.
respect77;4149889 said:
As for the others, who knows? Maybe they know Shana and want to do her a favour. Or maybe they will just support her in saying MJ flirted with her.
Well, this is way more than just flirting:
Michael and I had many private chats about Shana and it was clear he had deep feelings for her.
Shana knew a side of Michael that he kept closely guarded. I am so happy she is finally ready to tell her story."
—Scott “House” Shaffer
Personal Assistant to Michael Jackson
1991-1998
"Shana was there...and only she could tell this story, which shows a very different side of Michael Jackson the world has never seen-until now. Her eye-opening book provides a complex, nuanced portrayal of the pop icon that will surprise you - and change your mind."
Gregg Mitchell
Manager, Gallin-Morey Associates
​1991-1995
I was able to read a Sneak Peek of the book. REAL TALK: Even though the book is NOT a Tell-All, and it's totally respectful of MJ, I'm STILL blown away learning about MJ in a way that ..... put it this way: It was really cool to know how Mike was ALSO a 'regular dude' in some ways. REFRESHING TO LEARN!"
Darryll Phillips
Music Manager, Gallin Morey Associates
1996-1998
"Michael was being managed by Sandy Gallin. So, Sandy got ahold of me because Michael wanted to work with Boyz II Men. When I met Michael at Sandy’s office we became friends — he would call and tell me how gorgeous Shana was. He even once said to me, 'Shana is mine so when you go over to Sandy’s office don’t try anything...
They definitely had something going on...."
Qadree El-Amin
respect77;4149889 said:
Again, it doesn't follow that then it must have been a true romance.
No but I always ask when people say something about MJ: does this person have a reason to lie? How does he benefit?
And so far I just don't see how El-Amin or Phillips or Mitchell would benefit by being so blatant that Shana is telling the truth
about a "secret romance".
Anyway, what makes this whole thing even more mysterious is that on the Glenda tapes MJ was talking about a girl who was with him on the tour for while, who was a coordinator doing all kind of stuff including modelling and who cared about him. He said "she does a lot of stuff with the band" and Shana indeed hung out with the band I don't know what she was doing but
these photos show her with the band members:
She was also a model. So all those things would apply to Shana and MJ said "i was interested in this girl" then he says "I ruin my relationships" but this time around he won't. He clearly talked about a girl loving him, him knowing that she loved him and him wanting to have a real relationship and he was talking like he will try with this particular girl. He said "I'm gonna be with her".
But it sounds like he calls her Melissa so that certainly doesn't make things any clearer LOL
Anyway, if not true this would be an awful lot of coincidences don't you think?
respect77;4149889 said:
I definitely hope she would tell the truth. MJ does not need lies in order to defend him from child molestation allegations. Nor do we need made-up romances to defend him. We are not that desperate, are we?
Hell no, of course not. But if this is true she better take her ass and tell the story under oath (if it goes to trial) not just to testify about Mj's true character but testify about the families she saw around MJ, including the Robsons. Everyone who saw the Robsons interract with MJ should tell how totally at ease they were around MJ even after the Chandler allegations because that proves that they had zero doubt about his innocence.
Of course the Glenda tape alone makes the Safechuck/Robson story look absolutely ludicrous. So this guy was supposedly in love with two boys and at the very same time (1992) he was dreaming about having a real relationship with a woman and talking about one he was interested in.
Some hater said that the tape proves nothing because MJ knew he was being recorded. LOL That's their best explanation why he was a talking about girls making his nose wide open and not being able to get over Diana. Anyway, Shana so far didn't say anything about whether it was her MJ talked about on that tape.
Is it possible that the Emily Frank Cascio talked about in his book is Shana?
