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    Inspired by a thread I saw about the HIStory album. I began to think about the Invincible album. Now, before I say this, please know that I do love the Invincible album, but I also feel like it could have been SOOOO much better had the track list been a little different. If Invincible is your favorite album, I'm not attacking that in any way shape or form, because as i previously stated, I too love the album. I compiled a playlist of a Invincible with a different track list, and I absolutely love it, and wish that the final album looked a little more like this. I'd love to hear your opinions on the album and other tracks recorded during this time.Once again, for all the hardcore Invincible lovers, I am in no way taking anything away from you, so don't get upset please, lol.
    The Invincible track list I compiled looks like this:

    1)Unbreakable
    2)Heartbreaker
    3)Invincible
    4)Break of Dawn
    5)Heaven Can Wait
    6)You Rock My World
    7)Hollywood Tonight (Original Version)
    8)The Way You Love Me
    9)Butterflies
    10)Speechless
    11)She Was Loving Me (The newly leaked version w/ more of a rock feel)
    12)Whatever Happens
    13)(I Can't Make It) Another Day
    14)Xscape
    15)A Place with No Name
    16)One More Chance
    17)We've Had Enough

    This (in my opinion) makes a more cohesive and overall better (in my opinion) album.

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    Default Re: Rethinking Invincible

    I also think Invincible could have worked as a double album, with a track list something like this:

    *DISC ONE*

    1)Unbreakable
    2)Heartbreaker
    3)Invincible
    4)Break of Dawn
    5)Heaven Can Wait
    6)You Rock My World
    7)Hollywood Tonight (Original Version)
    8)The Way You Love Me
    9)Butterflies
    10)Speechless
    11)One More Chance

    *DISC TWO*
    1)Shout
    2)She Was Loving Me (The newly leaked version w/ more of a rock feel)
    3)Whatever Happens
    4)(I Can't Make It) Another Day
    5)Xscape
    6)A Place with No Name
    7)Threatened
    8)You Are My Life
    9)The Lost Children
    10)Cry
    11)What More Can I Give
    12)We've Had Enough

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    Default Re: Rethinking Invincible

    Enough with these threads. Invincible was fine just the way it was and Michael released it the way he wanted it to be. This reminds me of a term that was a parody of "little monsters" (Lady Gaga fans) called "little managers". Meaning that fans micromanage every bit of someone's career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neverland-ranchdressing View Post
    Enough with these threads. Invincible was fine just the way it was and Michael released it the way he wanted it to be. This reminds me of a term that was a parody of "little monsters" (Lady Gaga fans) called "little managers". Meaning that fans micromanage every bit of someone's career.


    See... This is exactly what I was trying to avoid. Yes, as i previously stated, Invincible was/is a great album already. But now that we have more unreleased music from the time, I thought it would be good to compile a playlist of tracks that didn't make the cut, or replace tracks... I am in no way trying to be a "manager" I compiled a two disc set of Invincible that I really enjoy and wanted to share with fans, especially since I know fans who do things like this all the time.. Sorry if it upset you, it was posted out of love.

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    Default Re: Rethinking Invincible

    C'mon, it's just for fun.

    I haven't thought about Invincible yet. I will later.

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    This is Michael's final studio album, sure the vocals aren't perfect.. but i think that it is wonderfully put together.. i love all the song's on there, it should be played extremely loud! Break Of Dawn & Butterfiles are absolutely divine when you hear all the aspects come together clearly.. it's great.. and i wouldn't have it any other way. It deserves a 20th anniversary when the time come's, with a full unreleased disc.. 30th anniversary concert, New York 2001 Interview, Night At The Apollo (Michael's segment) & United We Stand (MITM, Speech & WMCIG) as well as the solo demo with in-studio footage! maybe use all the colors on the album cover.. just thinking ahead is all..

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    ^ Actually I think the vocals are the strongest point of this album.

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    Default Re: Rethinking Invincible

    Was MJ so uninspired for Invincible that he needed a team of 5-7 co-writers to get the job done?

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    Default Re: Rethinking Invincible

    She Was Loving Me (The newly leaked version w/ more of a rock feel) is 2010 version.
    17 tracks can't fit on 1 CD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakk View Post
    This is Michael's final studio album, sure the vocals aren't perfect..
    WHAT??? Aren't perfect??? Please take another listen! Best vocal performances in his entire career (Butterflies, Whatever Happenes, Heaven Can Wait, Speechless, Threatened, Unbreakable, Break of Dawn...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by analogue View Post
    Was MJ so uninspired for Invincible that he needed a team of 5-7 co-writers to get the job done?
    No. A lot of times people were given writing credits for nothing. For example one guy was given writing credits for finding a writers demo and give it to Michael. Also Teddy Riley often received writing credits but mainly he was just producing (and not writing) the song.

    Also MJ wrote himself around 100 songs for Invincible (many much stronger than some of the released songs: Hollywood Tonight...). But he thought that Rodney Jerkins collaborations is the right way to go. Too bad Sony never gave it a chance. That new sound they created was amazing.

    "According to Quiller, a friend left a CD at his house with the song "Heaven Can Wait" on it. When he heard the song, he knew it would be perfect for Jackson, so he shared it with Riley, who agreed.

    When Riley presented the song to Jackson, the King of Pop loved it and wanted to include it on his album.

    Although Quiller didn't write the song, he said Jackson gave him a songwriting credit for the role he played."

    http://www.qcitymetro.com/living/art...n085248848.cfm

    MJ was too nice.

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    I really don't know why folks feel the need to add Another Day onto the album - I guess to me, it doesn't add much of anything lol (then again I'm really not that crazy about Another Day and don't really listen to it often. I think Privacy is 100xs better - it has a muuuch better groove to it, and - hard to describe but its more...powerful? I mean blasting that song just blows the speakers right out of the place.)

    As far as the multiple producers, I don't think he felt he "needed" to do anything. Even IF many of them had a significant hand in making the album, it doesn't take away from MJ's magic because the final cut came from HIM. And he equally had a hand in every single song, so I'm not sure why people are always up in arms about that. Nothing went on that album without MJ's approval. If MJ didn't feel the song or wasn't inspired by it, it wouldn't go on the album. Also - so what if at that point in his career he felt like experimenting with collaborations? Sometimes artists just feel like doing that - and its not because they are artistically uninspired, but they just feel like it because thats their prerogative, not because they feel they need to lol

    Also yes, I think MJ's headspace was different for that album because he making his way through being a new father at the same time as writing the album. But I don't think that means anything better or worse, I think it means that there is a difference.

    Now, all that said -- UNBREAKABLE.

    Freakin Unbreakable.

    I'm FOREVER BITTER about Sony f**king it up for MJ and not making that the first single like he wanted.

    Just in hindsight, looking at the music industry now and the trends of what people like to listen to...THAT would have been such a HUGE hit with little to no effort. MJ was 100% right about this and it should been the first song to kick it off. ARggggrrggggggg! (Forever shaking my fist at Sony).

    If I HAD to add any song to the album, I'd put in Xscape, Chicago, and Shout (it might not have been unconventional but I think people would have had a kick out of hearing MJ rap). In fact, I might replace 2000 Watts with Shout. I know 2000 Watts was meant to show off his deep voice but I think more people would be shocked about him RAPPING than him using a deep voice lol.
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    Default Re: Rethinking Invincible

    Quote Originally Posted by Zakk View Post
    This is Michael's final studio album, sure the vocals aren't perfect..
    why do you think so ? I dont see anything wrong with his vocals. What I dont like about couple of the songs is that there is too many different background vocalists, for me the magic happens when Michael does it himself. Layers of his voice is the best thing Ive heard in my life, no need for others to be on those records.

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    In my opinion Invincible is great but not perfect. Reason: too many slow songs and too many fillers or "weaker" songs (still good songs but not up to MJ's album songs standard), also the album is too long. To make it better and commercially more successful I would remove some songs and replace some songs with better and stronger songs from those sessions.

    1. Unbreakable
    2. Heartbreaker
    3. Invincible
    4. Break Of Dawn
    5. Heaven Can Wait
    6. You Rock My World
    7. Butterflies
    8. Speechless
    9. Another Day
    10. One More Chance
    11. We've Had Enough
    12. Whatever Happens
    13. Threatened

    2000 Watts, Privacy & Cry are in my opinion MJ's weakest songs in his entire career.
    You Are My Life & Don't Walk Away are nice ballads but not strong enough and there is already enough slow songs that are much better (Break Of Dawn, Heaven Can Wait, Butterflies & Speechless).
    The Lost Children is beautiful and have very strong melody but again, like I said for Childhood and Little Susie, they don't fit on commercially successful pop album. MJ should have made an entire album with that kind of songs (Childhood, Little Susie, Smile, The Lost Children, Scared Of The Moon...).
    Songs that I would add: One More Chance, Another Day & We've Had Enough.
    I wouldn't add Xscape, Blue Gangsta or APWNN because I think the direction MJ was going at the time wouldn't fit the rest of the album.
    I would of course add Hollywood Tonight and Fall Again if MJ finished them in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J5master View Post
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    Now, all that said -- UNBREAKABLE.

    Freakin Unbreakable.

    I'm FOREVER BITTER about Sony f**king it up for MJ and not making that the first single like he wanted.

    Just in hindsight, looking at the music industry now and the trends of what people like to listen to...THAT would have been such a HUGE hit with little to no effort. MJ was 100% right about this and it should been the first song to kick it off. ARggggrrggggggg! (Forever shaking my fist at Sony).
    Well, Sony thought that Unbreakable wasn't that much radio friendly compared to You Rock My World.
    But you're right, Michael wanted to shoot an 18-minute short film for it That would've have been great.

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