Paul McCartney could regain rights to Beatles songs

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I was reading on another site, that when Paul McCartney turns 76 yrs. old or 2018 under the copyrights act of 1978 that he could regain control of the Beatles Catalog. Can you please explain how that works ?
 
That's an interesting question. I'm not sure how it all works or if he will have to purchase the publishing rights from Sony/ATV at that time, but here is the story.

Things are looking (even more) up for Paul McCartney.

Though it's well-known that the late Michael Jackson owned half of the copyrights to a large portion of Beatles songs, and that Sony/ATV Music Publishing owned the rest, what is not as well known is that McCartney has the chance to regain those rights back -- and now he knows it too, Fader reports.

According to the US Copyright Act of 1976, songwriters are able to regain control of publishing rights on pre-1978 compositions after 56 years ... which means that the former Beatle will be able to regain control over Beatles compositions from 1962 in 2018 and songs from 1970 in 2026.

McCartney only has to wait until he is 76, just a mere nine years from now, and he'll be making even more money. Not bad for someone who is already is worth about $737 million.

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2013/...songs-currently-owned-by-michael-jackson.html
 
That's an interesting question. I'm not sure how it all works or if he will have to purchase the publishing rights from Sony/ATV at that time, but here is the story.

Things are looking (even more) up for Paul McCartney.

Though it's well-known that the late Michael Jackson owned half of the copyrights to a large portion of Beatles songs, and that Sony/ATV Music Publishing owned the rest, what is not as well known is that McCartney has the chance to regain those rights back -- and now he knows it too, Fader reports.

According to the US Copyright Act of 1976, songwriters are able to regain control of publishing rights on pre-1978 compositions after 56 years ... which means that the former Beatle will be able to regain control over Beatles compositions from 1962 in 2018 and songs from 1970 in 2026.

McCartney only has to wait until he is 76, just a mere nine years from now, and he'll be making even more money. Not bad for someone who is already is worth about $737 million.

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2013/...songs-currently-owned-by-michael-jackson.html

Someone made this comment on that article though:



Tim Hampton22 hours ago
Where does it say this in the actual bill? I just searched the text of the bill and found no such reference. And the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 actually appears to push the copyright back even longer
 
Not gonna happen its in the estate hands and only if they let it happen it will
 
<header id="content-header"><hgroup id="titles">Here is article about the copyright reverting back

The Terminator: Rights Reversion and Musicians


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Let's get out our time machine and set the coordinates for 2013. Why that date? Because that's when a lot of creators will see copyrights that they signed away in 1978 revert back to them.

This is a big deal for musicians and songwriters who decades ago assigned their rights to a label or a publisher. With their songs back under their control, artists could license them directly to TV and movies, re-release albums on their own imprints, or even re-transfer their stuff to a label or publisher in a more lucrative deal.

All of this is made possible by the 1976 Copyright Act, which went into effect in 1978. Under the 35-year reversion terms of the 1976 Act, copyrights made after Jan. 1, 1978 are eligible to once again become the creator's property. The original owner still has to file termination notices; word is that some big name acts like the Eagles are already prepping to do so.

But "termination of transfer" is not without it's tricky legal issues. This is, after all, the music industry we're talking about here.

Keep in mind that music has two copyrights. One is for the underlying composition (like the notes on paper), which is originally the property of the songwriter, who may in turn transfer the rights to a publisher. The other copyright is for the sound recording &#8212; the performance captured on tape (or hard drive, as is often the case these days).

The sound recording is the property of the performers who laid down the tracks. That is, until they transfer the rights to a record label in exchange for financing the recording, manufacturing and distributing the work, as well as marketing and promotion.

This raises some questions, many of which need to be sorted out by the musicians themselves. Chief among them: who is considered the "author" of the work? It's easy to imagine infighting between band members who cut albums decades ago under freewheeling circumstances. And some may question whether a recording made while under a label contract should even revert at all. Record company lawyers might argue that the music was actually a "work for hire," and thereby exempt from termination.

On the songwriting and publishing side, it's even more complicated. The law says that copyrights created after Jan. 1, 1978 will terminate after 35 years. But if there's a publishing arrangement involved, the copyright will revert 35 years after the date of publication. Meaning, if you wrote a song under a so-called "songwriting agreement," there's some question as to exactly when your copyright will revert back to you.

Picture it like this: you're a songwriter who entered an agreement with a publisher to assign your copyrights for a set period of time in exchange for an advance. Let's say this agreement was in place from 1980 &#8212; 1985. You wrote a big hit in 1984. Does the copyright revert back to you in 2015, 35 years after you entered the agreement, or in 2019, 35 years after you wrote it? (Hat tip to to copyright attorney Ben Sheffner whose recent Billboard Op-Ed provided this example. We'd link to it, but it's behind a pay wall.)

Another issue is a so called "gap" in the termination clause. Here's a particular but relevant thought exercise: you're a songwriter who entered an exclusive songwriting agreement that covered a term from '75 to '80. If you wrote a tune in 1979, does the copyright revert to you 35 years later? If you signed a songwriting agreement, it might not. In fact, it could be subject to the original 56-year termination provision outlined in the 1909 Copyright Act.

Meaning that, even if you wrote the song after the new Act went into effect in 1978, your termination could still be subject to the 1909 rules because you entered your songwriting arrangement in 1975 &#8212; before the '76 Act was even hatched. Kind of like John Connor from The Terminator sent his own father back in time to conceive him. OK, not quite. But it's a similar mind@#$%.

You might think this copyright craziness is purely hypothetical, but there are real-world songwriters who will be potentially affected. One such artist is country legend Charlie Daniels. You know the song "Devil Went Down to Georgia"? Well, Daniels wrote this song under an agreement that began in in 1976, even though it didn't get "published" until 1979. When does his copyright revert back to him, 2014 or 2032? Daniels would probably prefer the former.

FMC is looking closely at this issue, which is certain to be a big deal for musicians and songwriters as more and more copyrights reach their termination date. We'll be sure to report back on any developments. Until then, hasta la vista, babies.


http://futureofmusic.org/blog/2010/04/21/terminator-rights-reversion-and-musicians


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never knew there were two aspects of copyright in regards to music. One often hears about how artists and record companies are at odds over master copies, catalogs, and the like. The expiration of previous agreements with the 35 year clause of the 1976 Copyright Act will likely create more legal battles.


Unless you are a copyright infringement attorney, the complexity of the different situations will be many. Given the gray area described in the article, their looks to be issues that will arise under both the written work of songwriters as well as performance copyrights(especially those artists who relied on record companies). As the years 2013-2018 draw near, it will be interesting to see what artists attempt to regain those copyrights they lost, and what they do with them if retained.
 
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That is all bunch of bullshit. they may as well dream of the British regaining control of the US they lost more than 200 years ago.

Note their utter veiled disdain towards MJ. the disgruntle British press showing their real colors. the reality is whether the British press like it or not the Estate will own the publishing rights for as long as they want. let they dream. they have been dreaming for decades seeing this black man loosing that catalog. you could not find anymore evidence of grudge, jealousy and racism.

also note that when the previous owner, an Australian businessman, had that catalog it was never an issue. the moment MJ, a black artist, legitimately bought it the disgruntle British press started turning on him. for them it was an unacceptable proposition even to this day.
 
qbee;3886334 said:
Picture it like this: you're a songwriter who entered an agreement with a publisher to assign your copyrights for a set period of time in exchange for an advance. Let's say this agreement was in place from 1980 &#8212; 1985. You wrote a big hit in 1984. Does the copyright revert back to you in 2015, 35 years after you entered the agreement, or in 2019, 35 years after you wrote it? (Hat tip to to copyright attorney Ben Sheffner whose recent Billboard Op-Ed provided this example. We'd link to it, but it's behind a pay wall.)

Another issue is a so called "gap" in the termination clause. Here's a particular but relevant thought exercise: you're a songwriter who entered an exclusive songwriting agreement that covered a term from '75 to '80. If you wrote a tune in 1979, does the copyright revert to you 35 years later? If you signed a songwriting agreement, it might not. In fact, it could be subject to the original 56-year termination provision outlined in the 1909 Copyright Act.

Meaning that, even if you wrote the song after the new Act went into effect in 1978, your termination could still be subject to the 1909 rules because you entered your songwriting arrangement in 1975 &#8212; before the '76 Act was even hatched. Kind of like John Connor from The Terminator sent his own father back in time to conceive him. OK, not quite. But it's a similar mind@#$%.

You might think this copyright craziness is purely hypothetical, but there are real-world songwriters who will be potentially affected. One such artist is country legend Charlie Daniels. You know the song "Devil Went Down to Georgia"? Well, Daniels wrote this song under an agreement that began in in 1976, even though it didn't get "published" until 1979. When does his copyright revert back to him, 2014 or 2032? Daniels would probably prefer the former.

uhm, can u please describe that to non englisch speaking people? its to complicated to understand for me. the whole thing you posted here. best would be an example.


passy001;3886346 said:
That is all bunch of bullshit. they may as well dream of the British regaining control of the US they lost more than 200 years ago.

Note their utter veiled disdain towards MJ. the disgruntle British press showing their real colors. the reality is whether the British press like it or not the Estate will own the publishing rights for as long as they want. let they dream. they have been dreaming for decades seeing this black man loosing that catalog. you could not find anymore evidence of grudge, jealousy and racism.

also note that when the previous owner, an Australian businessman, had that catalog it was never an issue. the moment MJ, a black artist, legitimately bought it the disgruntle British press started turning on him. for them it was an unacceptable proposition even to this day.

i have read this news minutes ago. and the first i wonder how that should happen when michael jackson paid millions for the copyrights, and now the estate should give that to mccartney for free. hello? how weird sounds that?
and i also thought about rasism the first. poor world. the british press is the same like 20 years ago. they didnt change.

but thats all old news, when that story was also in 2009...
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/aug/11/paul-mccartney-beatles-back-catalogue
http://www.vulture.com/2009/06/mj_beatles_catalog.html
http://www.songwritingscene.com/2009/08/can-paul-mccartney-get-his-beatles-songs-back/
http://www.topix.com/forum/who/the-beatles/THHT6J7BKIVN24NUE
http://sixties-l.blogspot.co.at/2009/09/paul-mccartney-to-regain-beatles-back.html

and then this...
Paul McCartney Won't Get Beatles Songs Back from Michael Jackson

or this stupid mirror story in january 2009, that michael jackson left the copyrights to mccartney in his will.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/let-it-bequest---jackson-wants-to-leave-369119
interesting is there that the mirror said mj make 40 million pounds with the catalogue, AEG claims what? 6 or 7 million dollars?

so why are now this story? support of the media to AEG?

an interesting article from CNN, 2009, fals claims from mirror. (what else ^^)
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/09/jackson.mccartney/

or this.. michael sold 20 of his 25 % of the songs? fact?
http://exclaim.ca/News/even_after_m...tney_still_not_getting_beatles_catalogue_back
 
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Note their utter veiled disdain towards MJ. the disgruntle British press showing their real colors. the reality is whether the British press like it or not the Estate will own the publishing rights for as long as they want.

That's not literally true. All copyrights expire. In uk they expire 70 yrs after the death of the composer, mccartney - so not for a while yet, lol. The uk press are just annoying in bringing this issue up and relating it to mj outbidding macca for the beatles, the mail was at it today. As well as the media, macca's also to blame for this, he's done nothing but whinge since 1985 about 'having to pay someone to play my music'.

mjchris said:
uhm, can u please describe that to non englisch speaking people? its to complicated to understand for me. the whole thing you posted here.
It's actually complicated for english speaking people, so it's not just a language barrier. This article mentions something i've never heard of before, that in the usa music publishing rights can revert back to the original composer if they've been sold at the beginnng of someone's career, as a kind of protection for people who are new to the music biz and sign away rights which can suddenly become really valuable. It looks like for pre 1976 compositions, it can happen 56 yrs after the song is written and for post 1976 compositions it can happen sooner, 35 yrs after something's written. Then the composer or his heirs has the opportunity to take back his copyrights and exploit for the remaining decades left on the copyright. I'm not sure how all that applies to maccartney/lennon as they're british. Why wd their compositions be subject to us copyright law?
 
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That's not true. All copyrights expire. In uk they expire 70 yrs after the death of the composer, mccartney - so not for a while yet, lol. However this article mentions something i've never heard of before, that music publishing rights can revert back to the original composer if they've been sold at the beginnng of someone's career, as a kind of protection for people who are new to the music biz and sign away rights which can suddenly become really valuable. It looks like for pre 1976 compositions, it can happen 56 yrs after the song is written. Then the composer has the opportunity to take back his copyrights and exploit for the remaining 40 or so yrs left on the copyright. I'm not sure how that applies to maccartney/lennon as they're british. Why wd their compositions be subject to us copyright law?

Also how does it apply in Paul's case who's been offered his songs in the 80s when he was hardly new and unexperienced in the business. In fact he's been buying rights to other people's songs so he was well aware of the business when he refused to buy the catalog so MJ could.
 
^I've no idea. I dont' think laws like this one would differentiate between 'green' songwriters or 'stupid' songwriters or 'greedy' songwriters who all sell their copyrights. AS i understand it, it's just songwriters who sell their songs during the first protected period of copyright, who have this right decades later to get back their copyrights. It'll be something that was known in 1985 when the beatles deal was done if it does apply to the beatles. But just because the songs are now owned by sony/jackson, an american company, i don't see why us copyright act shd apply to the compositions of british citizens. As far as i know, the uk doesn't have any such law allowing the returning of copyrights. I imagine it's all wishful thinking on the part of beatles fans and the media.

respect said:
In fact he's been buying rights to other people's songs so he was well aware of the business when he refused to buy the catalog so MJ could.
I hope chuck berry's estate has put in a claim for his hits to revert back to them.
 
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