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New Jermaine Jackson Interview

Jermaine: Michael hated 'titles' | Books | Entertainment | Toronto Sun
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FIRST POSTED: SATURDAY, JANUARY 28, 2012 04:00 AM EST


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NEW YORK -- If people knew everything that Michael experienced growing up, Jermaine Jackson thinks they would have thought about him differently.


"He hated the titles," Jermaine said in an exclusive interview.


"They were calling him names, 'Freaking Wacko-Jackson' and all these kinds of things. That hurt him because here's someone who's taking the time, with his fame, to give a message that is so divine and so pure for the world, and for children, and for people. And all they can do is look at things that are not important, like the colour of his skin.


"It's horrible to be accused of horrible things, false allegations of child molestation which (were) just horrible. They tried so hard to bring him down on so many other things... That's just horrible because they knew he loved children and they tried to bring him down on the very thing that he loved, which was kids."


Jermaine said that Michael donated hundreds of millions of dollars to charity, before his tragic death in 2009 at age 50.


"He would go to any hospital, anywhere in the world, and walk down the emergency corridors, and find who needed operations and he would pay for them, and give lung transplants and all kinds of things. And liver transplants. That's what he did. And people who couldn't afford burials in our industry, in the music industry, he would bury them (and pay for it)."


Jermaine, 57, recalls his family's beginnings in a poorly insulated bungalow in Gary, Ind., like it was yesterday. Michael and Jermaine had seven siblings -- Jackie, Tito, Marlon, Rebbie, La Toya, Randy and Janet.


"Going back to the Gary days and writing about our childhood was very easy, because it's something that will never go away in our minds, and the Jackson Five days were some of the most incredible days in our lives.


"It was just the beginning of us wanting to be like the Temptations, and Smokey Robinson and the Miracles, and The Supremes, and all these (artists that) we grew up wanting to be like. And we were on our way, and that's because the Jackson Five gave us that international fame -- and that gave Michael an incredible launching pad to become Michael Jackson."


When Michael was young, all members of the musical family thought he was something special.


"He could see something and do it. He could see Sammy Davis Jr., or Gene Kelly, or Fred Astaire and he could mimic them. He had an unbelievable voice when he was a child. And that's a gift. As much talent as he had, he didn't take it to the point where it was just about himself. He used the blessings that God gave him to bring words to the world about children who were dying, who were starving, people who were in need."


Looking back, Jermaine believes that his father Joseph had reason to apply strict discipline to the children of the clan, although his teaching methods were very harsh. He also believes that music saved his life.


"My father's methods were right on, and I'll explain why. Because growing up during that time, we were in the middle of gangs, and they'd fight right at our doorstep. Right in front of our yard, right on the side of our house. And there (were) drugs and things like that. My father didn't want that for us, raising six boys and three girls. So he was showing love by disciplining us. My mother gave us love. My father was very strict on making sure that we didn't get caught in that.


"After we were successful, we went back. And most of our friends, they're all dead. Either dead or in prison. That's what he didn't want, and so he was showing us how we can take another row by doing music. And his method was perfect. Because he would say if you work hard at something, you will achieve it."
 
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I like Erm but it's very offensive how he ALWAYS dismisses Joe's abuse. BOTH Mike & Janet said they were deeply affected by Joe's "parenting" (the only two worldwide famous Jacksons) and you can see it in their eyes when they talk about it.


I also think it's rude as hell that Erm & La Toya dismisses Mike feelings about how the abuse....
 
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Sounds very heartfelt. Many people can't relate or understand the reality of growing up in these neighborhoods which is why it seems so harsh. The older siblings and the younger siblings don't see eye to eye on the discipline but it seems that the older ones grew up and understood the life around gary whereas the younger one such as Michael and Janet didn't really get to see and understand how bad the area was at the time even Janet said in her new book that she has few memories of Gary, since they got to move away sooner than the others and spend a majority of their childhood in California.

When my family first came to the states, we couldn't afford to live in the best of neighborhoods so I can totally get what Jermaine and the older ones are talking about. When my parents discipline my younger sister she thinks its the end of the world and that they just hate her because they are pure evil parents that enjoy making her life miserable whereas I don't see it that way, but thats because she was fortunate enough not to have grown up where my family lived when I was younger so she doesn't understand why our parents push us so hard, its because they never want us to go back to that life and you'll never know it until you've been there.
I get chills thinking of those times but fortunately like the Jacksons, we got out and the struggle remains to fight to stay out and never go back.
Some people are well situated in life, they have inheritances, connections and a name--However when you have none of that and you want to be something, you gotta work real hard and I mean real HARD early on with what you have while fighting everything intentionally set up against your success and I think thats what Joe accomplished with his family. As bad as this story seems , theres an inspirational side to it also or else you gotta admit we wouldn't be here if it didn't happen that way.
 
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Nonetheless that, this interview was pretty heartfelt & genuine.
 
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I love what he had to say about Michael's love and feelings. The older boys will always dismiss Joe's discipline. I do not think Michael does not understand that they were in a bad neighborhood, but that because of Michael's psychological makeup the discipline was more detrimental to him than to the others. Because, the boys are of a different makeup they see the discipline in a different way. Whereas Michael was traumatized by it, to the boys, it was a necessary thing to keep them straight. The other brothers feel they were not abused, but Michael feels he was. We cannot say that any side is lying. They simply saw Joe's discipline and conceptualized it in a different way, so I will expect the boys to always keep to they same story about the discipline.
 
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"My father's methods were right on, and I'll explain why. Because growing up during that time, we were in the middle of gangs, and they'd fight right at our doorstep. Right in front of our yard, right on the side of our house. And there (were) drugs and things like that. My father didn't want that for us, raising six boys and three girls. So he was showing love by disciplining us. My mother gave us love. My father was very strict on making sure that we didn't get caught in that.

there is a difference between discpline and cruelty. you don't have to use such horrible methods like oiling a little body of you child and than whip him all over to teach him how to be a good boy. it's disgusting and unfair
 
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there is a difference between discpline and cruelty. you don't have to use such horrible methods like oiling a little body of you child and than whip him all over to teach him how to be a good boy. it's disgusting and unfair
That the truth about the cruelty, but no matter how much we say it, the boys will always say things like "Joe was old school, he did it because he wanted to keep us away fro gangs, he did the best he could." They will never see it as Joe being cruel.
 
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Jermaine makes excuses for Joe becaue he disciplined his own children in a very similar manner. His ex wife said he was highly temperamental, and often went after their sons Jeremy and Jordynn with a belt in hand at the Havernhurst home.

Katherine would not do a thing to stop the abuse, quoting Bible verses, when Margaret Maldonado would plead with them. I bet this is how Katherine acted when Michael was being physically abused by Joe in Gary. She, along with Jermaine, still denies the abuse, and calls it necessary discipline.

Jermaine is a coward. He knows that what Joe did was wrong (so does Katherine), but is not man enough to 'fess up because he abused his own children the same way.
 
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People were just vicious towards Michael. I will never forget it. Murray killed Michael but all these people, the media and others were slowly killing him as well. He was a good person and he did so many great things for people that will never forget. If he was given peace and understanding in his life I feel things would have been different.
 
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That the truth about the cruelty, but no matter how much we say it, the boys will always say things like "Joe was old school, he did it because he wanted to keep us away fro gangs, he did the best he could." They will never see it as Joe being cruel.

Which is usually how the cycle of abuse continues. When we justify the abuse we are only encouraging it to continue. My dad and his siblings grew up in Gary too in very circumstances and my grandfather never abused them. The same with my mom's family who also grew up in Gary and not exactly the good part of town.

We also know from public record that Randy is an abuser and if we go by Jermaine's second wife, Jermaine is also an abuser. So, he can't exactly take the moral high ground.
 
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Petrarose yeah you are right. but i don't care what other boys say. i think their best times were with Joe and largely because of Joe so they would always justify whatever he does. Michael was not like them at all. and i don't really understand what kind of discipline it was to beat a boy who's working all the day and had a strong religion influence. what kind of old school it was? it's just craziness and unjustified cruelty.
 
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We also know from public record that Randy is an abuser and if we go by Jermaine's second wife, Jermaine is also an abuser. So, he can't exactly take the moral high ground.

Siggy also said that Jackie whipped him with a belt. So how could any of those Jacksons say that physical punishment is wrong when they all did it to their own children? They're not defending Joe, they're defending physical punishment as a whole, and that makes it even worse... Instead of denying Joe's abuse, they should just say "What Joe did was wrong, but it's in the past and now we have a good relationship." But they can't say that, because they need to defend their own actions.
 
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It bothers me so much how in denial Jermaine is about the physical and emotional abuse Michael suffered by Joe. I guess he never heard any of the audio tapes or interviews Michael gave describing it in his own words. Maybe in a strange way he still fears his father and is protecting him, I don't know.
 
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Siggy also said that Jackie whipped him with a belt. So how could any of those Jacksons say that physical punishment is wrong when they all did it to their own children? They're not defending Joe, they're defending physical punishment as a whole, and that makes it even worse... Instead of denying Joe's abuse, they should just say "What Joe did was wrong, but it's in the past and now we have a good relationship." But they can't say that, because they need to defend their own actions.

Being whipped by a belt is not bad by itself. My dad spanked me as well as his dad. Now, although those spankings hurt like hell, I wouldn't call them abuse. The only time I personally felt that my dad's physical punishment boarder on abused was when I used to wet the bed. He thought he could stopped this bad habit by spanking me. Fyi, it didn't work.

I don't personally like physical punishment and think it should only be used in extreme cases, if used at all. But, I do understand if used right, it can keep kids in line. However, Joe crossed that line along time ago and should had went to jail if what Michael said in those Rabbi's tape were true.
 
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^Ramona, I'm sorry you had to experience that. :better:That sounds cruel, and probably exacerbated the situation than help ease it.

Personally, I think belt whippings are extreme and abusive, whatever the misdoing. I never had that in my childhood. I was spanked just once, and with the hand, for throwing an uncontrollable tantrum.
 
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^Ramona, I'm sorry you had to experience that. :better:That sounds cruel, and probably exacerbated the situation than help ease it.

Personally, I think belt whippings are extreme and abusive, whatever the misdoing. I never had that in my childhood. I was spanked just once, and with the hand, for throwing an uncontrollable tantrum.

It is something I'm still embarrass about and my dad's treatment of the situation didn't help. I was terrified of going to bed at night because I knew I couldn't control myself. I almost didn't want to post my experience since it is so personally and shameful. But, I have talked to my dad about it and he knows what he did was wrong. But, it was this experience that made me dislike physical punishment since it comes across as the easy way out instead of getting to understand the situation.

My dad is old school and he used what worked for him when he was younger. Unlike Joe, I know he never meant to harm me and he did everything he did out of love. And in fairness, he did stopped the physical punishment once I reached a certain age. But, I personally feel this is why physical punishment should be phase out of our society because it blurs the lines too much between punishment and abuse. People like Michael's shouldn't have their experience dismiss because some people just see it as a simple spanking.
 
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^Ramona, it's great your dad now agrees and admits that it was wrong. IMO it takes courage and humbleness to do that. Whereas Michael's family is still in denial.
 
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I'm willing to take in account that those were different times, and there were things we didnt know about child psychology for instance, at the time. However, I'll never believe Michael's memories were exagerated or distorted. I believe the older brothers followed their dad's habits, the same way my parents followed their parents'. They followed a role model, without taking a step back and thinking about it, and the effects it had. The difference is, Michael did that thinking because he understood the tremendous responsibility of being a parent.

I think physical punishment is just a way for the adult to release their anger and frustration. It's selfish and totally unecessary. It doesnt solve anything, it's traumatic, and it certainly doesnt teach anything. I clearly remember the violence of being slapped when I was a kid. All you feel is unloved. You dont have to beat up a child to punish him or to make him understand things. Or to keep him out of gangs. That's an excuse. Michael talked about being beaten when he didnt want to perform, or when the show was not good enough for Joe. All their parenting resulted in was 7 people emotionally scarred for life.
 
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MJ was 5 years old.... how the hell would he get in a gang at that age.

I now believe that Jermaine himself has abused his own children that is why he is such a staunch defendant of Joe's child rearing method. Maybe not the younger ones (because he doesn't live with them & is barely a parent to them) but the older ones. That's my opinion. The only way to explain his support of child abuse.

Jermaine is an idiot (we already knew that) and if Joe's parenting was perfect, MJ deserve a gold medal for his.
 
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MJ was 5 years old.... how the hell would he get in a gang at that age.

I now believe that Jermaine himself has abused his own children that is why he is such a staunch defendant of Joe's child rearing method. Maybe not the younger ones (because he doesn't live with them & is barely a parent to them) but the older ones. That's my opinion. The only way to explain his support of child abuse.

Jermaine is an idiot (we already knew that) and if Joe's parenting was perfect, MJ deserve a gold medal for his.
Exactly, and Meme Margaret accused him of abusing his middle children. I'll take Jermaine seriously the day he stops humiliating Michael's feelings by downplaying Joe's actions.
 
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Jermaine is probably justifying Joes actions to make his own acceptable, that portion of Margarets book really stuck with me.

Joe beating the children to perform better is, IMO, a form of child slavery. One thing children missing socialising with their peers and having late nights but to know that if it's not done right there will be hell to pay is disgusting.
 
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As desperate as you can be a parent to give your kid a better life, there's no excuse for what those children went through.

And even if Jermaine, as older at the time, wants to justify his parents' actions, whatever his reasons, he has no right to minimize Michael's suffering. It's insulting to his brother.
 
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Being whipped by a belt is not bad by itself. My dad spanked me as well as his dad. Now, although those spankings hurt like hell, I wouldn't call them abuse. The only time I personally felt that my dad's physical punishment boarder on abused was when I used to wet the bed. He thought he could stopped this bad habit by spanking me. Fyi, it didn't work.

I don't personally like physical punishment and think it should only be used in extreme cases, if used at all. But, I do understand if used right, it can keep kids in line. However, Joe crossed that line along time ago and should had went to jail if what Michael said in those Rabbi's tape were true.
I too occasionally had the switch (personally, I'd take a belt before a switch lol). We were spanked as well as had privileges taken away. My parents were old school and didn't tolerate disrespect and acting up from their kids. I wasn't scared of my parents, but I and my older siblings knew not to cross that line....we laugh about it today. The things kids nowadays get away with their parents--cussing them out, ruling the house with their tantrums and 911 threats---back in the day these kids wouldn't have no teeth (lol).

Personally, I don't TOTALLY disagree with physical punishment. Sometimes it's necessary; but I believe in using it as a LAST RESORT---when the talking, the warnings, the privileges taken away and the timeouts don't work. Let's get real, some kids are VERY strong-willed (politically correct term for being hard-headed brats) and a swap on their little behinds will shock them into reality--that you mean busines and you're not playing with them.

The thing with physical punishment is the appropriate degree first of all. The purpose of disciplining a child--yes even physical--is to teach the child right from wrong and to set limits and it's supposed to be done with love along with firmness. However, when parents use physical discipline to bully and intimidate the child and to use physical discipline as a means of unleashing their own anger and frustrations out on their child---I don't agree with that at all. In fact I'm totally against it. Because it goes BEYOND just a spanking...it goes into the area of abuse. Some adults don't need to have children at all.
 
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I'm willing to take in account that those were different times, and there were things we didnt know about child psychology for instance, at the time. However, I'll never believe Michael's memories were exagerated or distorted. I believe the older brothers followed their dad's habits, the same way my parents followed their parents'. They followed a role model, without taking a step back and thinking about it, and the effects it had. The difference is, Michael did that thinking because he understood the tremendous responsibility of being a parent.

I think physical punishment is just a way for the adult to release their anger and frustration. It's selfish and totally unecessary. It doesnt solve anything, it's traumatic, and it certainly doesnt teach anything. I clearly remember the violence of being slapped when I was a kid. All you feel is unloved. You dont have to beat up a child to punish him or to make him understand things. Or to keep him out of gangs. That's an excuse. Michael talked about being beaten when he didnt want to perform, or when the show was not good enough for Joe. All their parenting resulted in was 7 people emotionally scarred for life.
I agree with that. I hate seeing adults hitting kids upside their heads--I mean so hard you can hear the licks, and man-handling them. Some adults do not have self-control. Sometimes kids/teens can make you so mad that you may have to just get away from them and get yourself calmed down. Otherwise you can easily end up injuring the child..especially if their young. Because I don't care how angry you are, you have to remember, you're bigger than the child--and stronger. You want your child to respect your authority---not be deathly afraid of you, wondering when you're going to blow up at them. Like I said some people are not fit to raise children at all because they have their own issues that they haven't dealt with and all they're going to do is spread it to their kids.
 
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I agree with that. I hate seeing adults hitting kids upside their heads--I mean so hard you can hear the licks, and man-handling them. Some adults do not have self-control. Sometimes kids/teens can make you so mad that you may have to just get away from them and get yourself calmed down. Otherwise you can easily end up injuring the child..especially if their young. Because I don't care how angry you are, you have to remember, you're bigger than the child--and stronger. You want your child to respect your authority---not be deathly afraid of you, wondering when you're going to blow up at them. Like I said some people are not fit to raise children at all because they have their own issues that they haven't dealt with and all they're going to do is spread it to their kids.

You always have to remember you're dealing with a KID, even when they make you terribly angry.
I believe if you raise your kid "correctly" (lack of better word) from the start, you wont need physical punishment.

My parents never used belts, just their hands, and I was still terrified of my dad. I dont think I fitted the definition of child abuse but I still had a non existent relationship with my parents, mainly because of the fear they inspired me. The fact my older sister may have gone through this differently, maybe better, doesnt mean my feelings or memories are not real.

Bolded part is so true. I wish more people would think before they have kids, about the huge responsibility it is, and whether they're ready or fit for it.
 
I see Jermaine is still using the “Jackson 5 was a great launching pad for Michael to become a big star” BS. Let’s get real Michael made the Jackson 5 and without him no one would have ever noticed the other 4 period! As to Joe having to brutalize and terrorize MJ and the others to keep them safe from their poor environment he can’t rewrite history. Joe was an abusive, sadistic, womanizing brutally cruel monster who did permanent physiological damage to Michael and there is NO justification whatsoever for that. NONE! People in my African American community need to stop justifying the criminal abuse of our kids! That is not the solution to our problems and violence on our children coming from parents or from the streets should not be acceptable.
 
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Looking back, Jermaine believes that his father Joseph had reason to apply strict discipline to the children of the clan, although his teaching methods were very harsh. ...


"My father's methods were right on, and I'll explain why. Because growing up during that time, we were in the middle of gangs, and they'd fight right at our doorstep. Right in front of our yard, right on the side of our house. And there (were) drugs and things like that. My father didn't want that for us, raising six boys and three girls. So he was showing love by disciplining us. My mother gave us love. ...
Yikes. Abusers say the same thing. To a T.

Murray also said he "LOVED" Michael, didn't he. Doesn't it freak people out how many people use the word love in connection with either violence, abuse, or neglect??

Perhaps one day mankind will figure out that beating/"spanking"/insert your favorite euphemism IS NOT LOVE.
Those two sentences right there sound like a horrendous continuation of some weird gender role models. Men show their "love" through violence. Yeah, totally. Guess Michael isn't a 'real man' either. Or other conscious fathers who do not physically punish their children.

Here are some interesting screenshots, all in the realm of the Murray mockumentary.

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How many people are still trying to compute in their heads that "LOVE does not hurt"? Geez.

Michael consciously broke with that thinking. He said the same thing in "Living with Michael Jackson"- "so when people say that the abused abuse, that's not true at all."

I tell you, these documentaries somehow still manage to bring a message across, albeit unintended. Apparently Michael was able to take his hurt and his pain and channel it into HELPING children all across the world- that's the big difference. That is what it takes.
It's absolutely amazing to me that Michael's humanitarianism is the headline of this interview, yet the mark seems to be totally missed. Michael said despite all of it, he wouldn't change anything.
Was he just being nice and faking some false humility??? Or did he say that perhaps because his own suffering enabled him to understand children in a unique way- and that perhaps he wouldn't change anything because his commercial success enabled him to help children in a way that the rest of us simply can't, financially?

It's astounding to me that people split Michael into this perceived 'whiner' who keeps going on and on about his childhood- yet at the same time they celebrated his philanthropy. Man, the myopic approach is astounding.

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"After we were successful, we went back. And most of our friends, they're all dead. ...
:bugeyed:bugeyed Just wow. How appropriate in an interview about Michael.

...Many people can't relate or understand the reality of growing up in these neighborhoods which is why it seems so harsh. The older siblings and the younger siblings don't see eye to eye on the discipline but it seems that the older ones grew up and understood the life around gary whereas the younger one such as Michael and Janet didn't really get to see and understand how bad the area was at the time even Janet said in her new book that she has few memories of Gary, since they got to move away sooner than the others and spend a majority of their childhood in California.

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Some people are well situated in life, they have inheritances, connections and a name--However when you have none of that and you want to be something, you gotta work real hard and I mean real HARD early on with what you have while fighting everything intentionally set up against your success and I think thats what Joe accomplished with his family. ...

Children of all socio-economic backgrounds have the human right to grow up without abuse and violence. Just because Janet and Michael were for example less exposed to Gary- doesn't make abuse okay. This type of abuse is not okay in a mansion in Beverly Hills and it is not okay in Gary, Indiana.

Actually, one can very well grow up dirt up and NOT be beaten. We lived in a tiny pre-fab apartment complex in East Germany and did not have a phone until 1991 (!!!!!! I think most people have a hard time imagining that)
I remember visiting my grandparents in Ukraine and I am well aware of standing in line for the basic necessity of bread, sugar was rationed in stamps etc. We went mushroom hunting, collected fruit etc out of necessity.

People don't become criminals because they didn't get their share of abuse and violence in early childhood.

I'm also quite sick of the narrative of achieving the Great American Dream though violence and abuse on the back of chidren.
Thank God there are laws in place and being enforced. We may not 'get' another Shirley Temple, or Michael Jackson- but at least it is absolutely no longer okay for minors in this country to work the strip clubs when they should be happily snoozing away in a warm bed, teddy and doll in their arms.

What if they didn't achieve commercial success- just like countless people all across the world? Either artists that work just as hard to make a living, or people that work their butts of as nurses and Doctors in horrendous shifts- or other factory workers?

What if the commercial success didn't happen, if they weren't in the right place at the right time? (btw I am not denying anyone having worked hard!) What if all that were for literally 'nothing' but being a poor artist? Would Joseph's 'perfect method' still have been justified?

What was done, was done and can't be undone. But we can absolutely pay if forward and make sure our children do not suffer from these things.


Michael has been one of the greatest inspirations for me.
Not because he sold so and so many copies of Thriller- but it is great people like him who inspire me daily to take a step back and think what I consider essential for my 4 year old. Yes, it would be very nice for him to go to college, live in a nice house and do all the other things we think of as 'having lived a good life'. If that means forcing him into something, denigrate him and 'punish him'- then I'd rather okay with him living in a tiny apartment= but in the feeling that he was loved and accepted by his very own parents. THAT will weigh more on anyone's death bed than the size of the house that your death bed is in.

I adore Michael as an artist, I think he achieved great things, I admire that. But I don't have to justify the abuse that was perpetrated on him. People all across the globe are working hard, every one wishes for their children to live a happy and stable life- but I certainly will not condone domestic violence as justified means to escape a life that is shared by millions on this globe. Neither in the 50ies or 60ies- and certainly not in 2012.
 
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If that means forcing him into something, denigrate him and 'punish him'- then I'd rather okay with him living in a tiny apartment= but in the feeling that he was loved and accepted by his very own parents. THAT will weigh more on anyone's death bed than the size of the house that your death bed is in.

Absolutely.

You dont need physical punishment to make a kid work hard anyway. Again, it's an easy way to make the adult feel better. A kid that feels loved, encouraged, valued by his parents will do much better.
 
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Petrarose yeah you are right. but i don't care what other boys say. i think their best times were with Joe and largely because of Joe so they would always justify whatever he does. Michael was not like them at all. and i don't really understand what kind of discipline it was to beat a boy who's working all the day and had a strong religion influence. what kind of old school it was? it's just craziness and unjustified cruelty.

I know I agree with you, but that is what these boys will always say when asked about the discipline. They have been saying the same thing since Michael talked about it. We, of course will always know that Michael was physically and emotionally abused.
 
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there is a difference between discpline and cruelty. you don't have to use such horrible methods like oiling a little body of you child and than whip him all over to teach him how to be a good boy. it's disgusting and unfair

Exactly! and some of these interviewers need to point this out to jermaine and the rest when they are spouting this view.

^Ramona, it's great your dad now agrees and admits that it was wrong. IMO it takes courage and humbleness to do that. Whereas Michael's family is still in denial.

Try telling them that, apparently, it was only Michael who was in denial.

"After we were successful, we went back. And most of our friends, they're all dead. Either dead or in prison. That's what he didn't want, and so he was showing us how we can take another row by doing music. And his method was perfect. Because he would say if you work hard at something, you will achieve it."

'Perfect'....oh really now.......sometimes the words people chose to utter just makes you go, huh!?!?
 
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