Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

ivy said:

MJ Estate is still a party so it was Lloyds versus AEG & MJ Estate and it's been continuing as Lloyds versus MJ Estate now. This is actually Lloyds summary judgment papers . In other words they are asking the judge to rule in their favor - in other words rule saying that Lloyds doesn't have to pay - without going to trial.

They argue

- Michael lied about his medical history - fraud voids the insurance
- insurance did not cover pre existing conditions or illicit drug use
- MJ Estate did not suffer any losses as they profited from TII movie.

and guess what they state

"Michael Jackson was a long term drug abuser who had been abusing Demerol and Propofol for years." and "Jacksons reckless and extended history of drug abuse which began decades before continued into 2009. so on...

and yeah unfortunately in both cases the alleged history of drug use is relevant to the questions of "who has responsibility for this death" as well as the life expectancy.. Unfortunately @Tygger Jackson's case doesn't start and end with who hired Murray.

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Ivy, thanks. What do you think the chances are of the court granting the summary judgment?

crillon said:

Ivy, thanks. What do you think the chances are of the court granting the summary judgment?

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I think Lloyds has a great advantage on that case. It's true that Michael did not tell them his full medical history and that alone can void the policy. Lloyds can get a summary judgment on that. MJ Estate is also big on settlements - HTWF, Mann, Lapointe, Landis, Ola Ray etc. are all settled. So I personally don't expect to Lloyds case make it to trial. A after summary judgment (if the case survives) before trial settlement is likely IMO.

as for the documents we will probably see Estate's reply too but there's also a protective order in place so you never know what will be available and what won't.

Big Apple2 said:

Grace is sick and/or M.I.A.

Now Ms. Rebbie is sick.

Is it just me or are SOME folks running scared.

Reminds me how SOME folks were running from their deposition appointments.

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Ha too funny. I was thinking the same thing. Notice too, their sickness always happen days before they are needed in court and they take days to get better. Even Katherine got too tired to continue her testimony.

AEG is not going to be believable if they paint Michael as too much as a has been, especially since he sold his tickets so quickly.

ivy said:

there's a very good reason for that

The first question is "was Murray hired" . AEG's point he wasn't because no contract was signed. Jacksons argue oral contracts are as good. Given that oral contract are actually legally valid and given that there have been many people who hired orally and started working without a written contract and later their contracts are finalized and paid for their services, I would think that the answer to this question will highly probably a "yes".

Second question is "who hired Murray". AEG says Michael, he wanted him, he was gonna pay for him. Jacksons say the contract was between AEG and Murray. So this is a a 50 -50 answer. It could be either Michael or AEG.

So as you can see and if you put yourself to AEG's position it would be a very bad defense if they focused on these two. So what they do? They focus on the later parts.

Third question was "was the hiring negligent?" - this involves the requirement that AEG knew or should have known. Here comes in the secretive behavior and AEG is trying to make the argument "his family, his friends and his doctors did not know so we couldn't know either". Human Resources part will most probably be mentioned later focusing on credit checks not being the norm and a debt cannot signal negligence of a physician.

Forth question is who is responsible and how much: Even in the criminal trial the thing was Murray a substantial factor but not the sole reason. So in this part AEG is trying to deflect the blame on to Michael by portraying him as an addict with a reckless and extended drug history. They argue that this was his personal choice and responsibility. Plus if the jury thinks this was a ticking bomb that can go off any minute and it just happened during TII, they might not keep AEG responsible.

And finally damages and it is obvious. The more AEG can reduce the earning capacity of Michael , the less the damages that they could be held responsible for.

To me this is obvious and it has been obvious long before this trial started.

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Ivy, thank you for this great summary & analysis. It all makes sense and no surprise that AEG would have to go after Michael to defend themselves & reduce the amount of damages--it's the only card they can play. Appreciate your take on it.

If you had to guess--how do you think it will wind up?

Tygger;3878748 said:

Ivy, the plaintiffs’ opening statement said there were three parties blameworthy for Michael’s passing: Michael/AEG/the doctor. The defendants said Michael was solely to blame and so is Lloyds. That is AEG and Lloyds view, NOT mine.

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you did not genuinely expected AEG to blame themselves or their alleged independent contractor, did you?

Question please: for those who are supporting a successful verdict for the defendants in the civil trial, do you support Lloyds being successful over the estate as they are using the same defense?

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first of all let me state I do not support a successful verdict for AEG and I do not support a successful verdict for Jacksons . As how you don't care who is successful in Lloyds lawsuit, I don't care who is successful in Jackson vs. AEG lawsuit. As far as I'm concerned Michael is the one that was hurt in the process and regardless of who wins Michael will lose and that's all I care.

As far as the Lloyds lawsuit goes you can refer back to that thread and see that I think it will end with a settlement or a win for Lloyds. and that's not due to the "drug addiction" defense. everyone knows when you get insurance or similar stuff, you make certain declarations , provide information and the policy is valid as long as you told the truth. From the moment Lloyds stated "Michael Jackson knew his own medical history and did not disclose it", I had been thinking a win for Lloyds.

Here's what I posted in November 2011

In my opinion Lloyds can win this case based on that Michael's full medical history wasn't disclosed to them. It's apparent from Murray lawsuit that Murray was giving Michael propofol for 6 weeks. That alone might be enough for them to win this case.

However their claim that Michael's death isn't an accident will not fly IMO. Murray found guilty of IVM there's no intent in that.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...-fights-back?p=3545887&viewfull=1#post3545887

@bouee

emails from Lloyds for you

Actually let me post the second medical information as well.

June 22 email from insurance firm to broker



June 24 email from insurance firm to broker



June 24 email from broker to AEG and Murray





then Paul Gongaware responds it has to be done at MJ's house, The broker responds back to him at the insurance firm won't accept that and it has to be at the doctors office. the last email is sent from the broker to AEG / Murray on midnight of June 24 / June 25 asking them confirm the July 6 afternoon for the second medical.

ivy said:

she stayed with Michael every night for 3 weeks doing what Metzger told her.

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I find the loyds expert's testimony of Michael is so different from the coroner's. Loyds' expert depict a guy with severe medical issues:

[BIn addition to his drug abuse, Jackson also had chronic lung disease, failing eyesight that required him to use a magnifying glass to read, had trouble urinating because of an enlarged prostate and had severe arthritis in his hands and lower spine, Baden said.[/B]

From reading this it seems that the lung problem was severe, he could barely see to read, & now the arthritis has moved to the hands. I thought the arthritis were in specific fingers/joints in the autopsy? Baden's Michael looks very sickly indeed, so how can these guys be looking at the same slides. I knew about the prostate, but then most men have that.

crillon said:

Ivy, thank you for this great summary & analysis. It all makes sense and no surprise that AEG would have to go after Michael to defend themselves & reduce the amount of damages--it's the only card they can play. Appreciate your take on it.

If you had to guess--how do you think it will wind up?

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I never guess a verdict. You never know how the jury will decide. Majority of the high profile cases taught me that.

Petrarose said:

I find the loyds expert's testimony of Michael is so different from the coroner's. Loyds' expert depict a guy with severe medical issues:

[BIn addition to his drug abuse, Jackson also had chronic lung disease, failing eyesight that required him to use a magnifying glass to read, had trouble urinating because of an enlarged prostate and had severe arthritis in his hands and lower spine, Baden said.[/B]

From reading this it seems that the lung problem was severe, he could barely see to read, & now the arthritis has moved to the hands. I thought the arthritis were in specific fingers/joints in the autopsy? Baden's Michael looks very sickly indeed, so how can these guys be looking at the same slides. I knew about the prostate, but then most men have that.

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Michael Baden is a media hog who will say anything for money. If Michael had lung disease how did the experts hired to look over his autopsy miss it? Arthritis was in his back and pinkey. And reading glasses are magnifying glasses

Petrarose said:

I find the loyds expert's testimony of Michael is so different from the coroner's. Loyds' expert depict a guy with severe medical issues:

[BIn addition to his drug abuse, Jackson also had chronic lung disease, failing eyesight that required him to use a magnifying glass to read, had trouble urinating because of an enlarged prostate and had severe arthritis in his hands and lower spine, Baden said.[/B]

From reading this it seems that the lung problem was severe, he could barely see to read, & now the arthritis has moved to the hands. I thought the arthritis were in specific fingers/joints in the autopsy? Baden's Michael looks very sickly indeed, so how can these guys be looking at the same slides. I knew about the prostate, but then most men have that.

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I have to think the coroner's report is more impartial than anything Baden says. Baden is a "hired gun"/expert for Lloyd's of London. The bottom line in the autopsy report was that Michael was in good health. The most damaging piece is the alleged drug dependencies and, as Ivy points out, once you lie about conditions, meds on the insurance application, it voids the policy.

the dates of history tour in Lyon, Paris & Munich :

June 22, 1997 Luxembourg
June 25, 1997 Lyon France
June 27, 1997 Paris
June 29, 1997 Paris
July 2, 1997 Vienna
July 4, 1997 Munich
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Michael visited the Lumière Institute in Lyon http://www.institut-lumiere.org/english/frames.html . The Lumière brothers were inventors, and among other things, made the first movie.

Reports have him there on june 13 th 1997 - he had a show on the same night in Kiel, Germany. Strange, but possible if you fly. The show before that was Amsterdam on june 10th.

Michael at the Lumière institute :
photos :
http://www.michaelpictures.net/thumbnails.php?album=1022



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There is something unclear to me about the part of Debbie's deposition that was posted. In fact, I have the same confusion about the medical information from the doctors as well, which is this. When they claim that they gave Michael these addictive drugs or in the case of Debbie, she watched them do it, or monitored Michel, it is not clear to me what they are giving him the drug for? Are they giving it to him to prevent a withdrawal or for pain? I am reading that XYZ was called and I see a back, balloon, & foot issue, but in showing all the drug treatments, the reason why the drug was given in the first place, becomes lost in the testimony.

If you give Michel a drug and pretend he had a procedure, why are you giving him the drug? Is it to make him an addict, to feed an addiction, or to get paid for doing nothing? Then, something like that can only be done for a procedure like fillers/botox, because if it has to involve something that requires a cut, you must see when you wake up that you have no marks on your body or no sensitive areas.

Debbie talks about the Bad tour, so this means the medication for the burns caused some problem, but then why didn't the doctors who prescribed the drugs for the pain after the procedures, put into place a plan to deal with the problems the drug would cause?

Then Debbie believes Klien made Michael addicted, but then Panish claims it had something to do with the medication for the burn, so which is it? I am thinking a trial like this where people have to defend themselves is not the place to get a true picture of what really caused this drug problem.

Debbie is not a doctor or a nurse. So really she is offering her opinion nothing more

Just seems weird to ask Tohme, a non-AEG employee, to take care of something so critical for AEG.

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Crillon, Tohme worked for Michael and AEG.

you did not genuinely expected AEG to blame themselves or their alleged independent contractor, did you?

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Ivy, AEG has taught me they will not take responsibility for anything except profits. I was very amused that their monies to Briggs and team were monies poorly spent as evident from his testimony on cross. I will enjoy reading that transcript.

As for Lloyds, I never believed their physical was substantial and they sought to profit as most companies would in hearing of Michael Jackson’s involvement let alone last tour. I guess Michael's Q scores were ignored as well.

Michael’s substance abuse has been well documented before he passed. I do not believe AEG was unaware of Michael’s issues and I do not believe Lloyds was ignorant of these issues either. Now that Lloyds may suffer a loss with the payout, they claim ignorance just as AEG is doing in the civil trial.

Justthefacts;3878778 said:

Debbie is not a doctor or a nurse. So really she is offering her opinion nothing more

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Agreed. She is only offering her opinion (as Saunders and Fournier did) only because AEG has decided it has value in regards to their weak defense, not because it actually does have value in the purpose of this trial.

What an eye-opener that book was for me. Every fan should read it. I think it gives an accurate picture of not only the characters involved and what Michael had to endure for a lifetime. So much dysfunction in one little book.

I agree, crillon, the book really blows you away with the level of dysfunctionality. She talks about the interviews with the family members as the mini-series on the Jackson family was written. It is so sad when Jackie (the athlete brother) says Joe never went to one baseball game, and he was still sobbing about it all those years later. The way she describes Joe's temper--his eyes 'glazed over" and then he kind of went beserk and ran up to where he kept his guns in the room (ye gods, how scary is that?)--makes me think Joe had an addiction to rage (a rage-aholic) b/c when he got angry there were physiological changes. She describes one scene where Joe ordered a security guard to shoot Randy! I don't know how anyone can justify the sex addictions, the physical violence, the just plain craziness going on in that house--and all expenses paid by MJ while the people there basically ran amok.

I don't know how MJ came out of it as well as he did--as sane and functional and as good a person and father. So sad his kids are now in that situation, although it's good the Estate was able to get the number of people in the household limited by finding another living arrangement for Alejandra and her kids.

Tygger said:

Crillon, Tohme worked for Michael and AEG.

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Ah, well then, it makes sense AEG would ask him to take care of the insurance policies.

How common is it for a performer's "chief of staff" to also be on the concert promoter's payroll? Seems odd to me with the conflict of interest potential.

Justthefacts said:

Debbie is not a doctor or a nurse. So really she is offering her opinion nothing more

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Until today, I always thought she was a licensed nurse. In fact, when she married Michel the news was saying Michael married his nurse, and they discussed why so many stars married their doc, nurse, ect., because these people are caring to them, or some such nonsense. So was she something like those medical assistants we have at the dentist?

Why is Panish discussing Brigg's fee so much? Why is the judge getting upset with Strong? I don't get how Brigg's fee as an expert is a matter that is relevant to the litigation here? Is this another fail by Yvette?

I totally agree with Briggs that the future earnings projected by Erk were "unprecedented" and dangerously speculative (not to mention out of touch with reality). Also the fact that MJ was not at all attractive as a sponsor for advertisers is a point that any person (except Erk) can understand. It's sad that MJ's rep was in such low standing but at the time he died, he had been trashed by the media for decades and it had taken a huge toll on him--basically destroyed his rep and his earning potential. He was essentially dismissed, not by his fans, of course, but by most everyone else. There was so much media speculation that TII would never happen--even Tohme went on TV and said the same (thanks, Tohme, great job running down MJ). MJ was fighting an uphill battle. People were saying he couldn't sing or dance--that's why TII was a mind-blower. In any case, I think Briggs is right that there were not a lot of endorsements on the horizon, sad to say.

Then Panish is trying to get Briggs to say how much the SONY/ATV catalogue is worth--how is this relevant? Doesn't the value depend on many factors and is Briggs qualified to assess it and was he ever asked to do so?

I should add that Rowe's opinion will be a bit muddled. These events happened more than a decade past and I do not know who maintained their medical records from that time to verify her memory.

crillon said:

Ah, well then, it makes sense AEG would ask him to take care of the insurance policies.

How common is it for a performer's "chief of staff" to also be on the concert promoter's payroll? Seems odd to me with the conflict of interest potential.

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It was a conflict of interest. Phillips said if Michael thought it was a conflict of interest, Michael seemed to be fine with it.

jamba said:

Also the fact that MJ was not at all attractive as a sponsor for advertisers is a point that any person (except Erk) can understand.

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Include PepsiCo with Erk. From 2008:

Panish mentions someone being investigated by the irs for under value sony/atv i wonder who those parties are because that is new and could cost the estate a lot more money. Michael estate will be in probate for many more years and could get executors out of estate if true. Probably what Jackson's are hoping for.

Tygger said:

Crillon, Tohme worked for Michael and AEG.
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Is this a statement of fact?

LastTear;3878827 said:

Is this a statement of fact?

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Re-reading RP testimony gives you an answer, but here is a bit of info:
Phillips was then asked about Tohme’s contract, which called for him to “assist promoter in the production of tour events.” Tohme’s $100k a month contract was signed by Phillips and Michael Jackson. Phillips said fee would be paid as an advance to Jackson. Panish asked whether Tohme’s contract was a conflict of interest, since he was representing both AEG and Jackson. Phillips: “Actually, no. Michael Jackson signed this document so he must have agreed to it.” (AP)

DiLeo contract was similar, AEG advanced to money from MJ's share. Many people who worked for MJ got their payment from AEG but were MJ's people and people MJ wanted. Question is, did AEG hired all those people too?

Soundmind said:

I dont think they need him on the stand . He was probably the most vile family member when it came to MJ , that all they needed from him .I doubt they would bring up anything about his schemes to steal MJs money in 2005, they need to present him as someone credible , he is going to repeat what he leaked to the media in 2007 ; MJ was abusing alcohol and drugs for decades .

He told them MJ was an addict , MJ lied to his own family , MJ forced Katherine to sign the paper in 2007 , what more could they ask for ?
The other siblings ; the ones who said they did not believe he was addicted , would be grilled to list all the gifts they received in an attempt to show the jury they were dependent on him financially; the real reason behind their denial . Dr.Early already said in his deposition the fact that his family was dependent on him financially limited their ability to stage interventions . MJ bought their silence that's AEG argument

On the other hand Panish and co wont impeach him , he is their real client not Katherine .

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I was surprised that media didn't fly with that info from Randy that MJ forced KJ to sign the statement, or maybe they will do it after Randy's testimony. Yes, I agree with you about Panish impeaching Randy as he is the real client.

About the other sibling grilled about gifts and how dependant they were on MJ. I think defence lawyers should bring in the evidence of Rebbie selling MJ's stuff on ebay right after he died. Makes you think what gifts and how dependant she was from MJ if she needs to reduce herself the same level as scavengers?

serendipity said:

I'm also afraid Murray's role will be minimized by both AEG and Jacksons. All these doctors that will be brought up now - people will just see a bunch of doctors who gave him drugs, sometimes big doses, sometimes at the same time due to him not telling them about other docs. And this is what will stick. Don't forget some jurors already think he's responsible for his own death.

And then you have his family's complete indifference towards Murray. They have never shown even half of the outrage towards him that they are showing towards AEG and even the executors. That is a fact. From their pathetic and emotionless victim's statement during his trial, to calling him the fall guy, to Tito "forgiving" him, to not going after him with restitution because you see he has to feed his kids, to blabbing about MJ's addiction all over the place, etc. etc.

So yea, his role will most definitely be downplayed eventually and he'll be out in a couple months selling his story and there will be no one sticking up for MJ.

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I absolutely I agree with you. I can see CM selling stories in which he will take references from this trial, like "look how many doctors MJ had, and how much on drugs he was, and me poor litte boy that santa forgot did nothing wrong". uke:
I understand that for AEG MJ and his reputation doesn't mean much, but to his own family he means even less than nothing.

From Partial Lloyds deposition
- Debbie worked at Klein's office between 1978 - 1997
- She was an office assistant but learned to make injections - most common cortisone injections.
- Injected Demerol to MJ on Klein's orders.

Are people without at least nurse's qualifications allowed inject anything to anyone? What if something happens like she could have punctured something vital?

- Debbie was present at Bad Tour with Klein. Klein made his assistants inject Michael Demerol (100 mg ) when he injected collagen.
- Question : you said to media Klein got MJ addicted to Demerol. DR : He did Question:Why do you believe that DR : I know that.
- Debbie Rowe : "Klein was above all that. Klein did what Klein wanted to do"

She makes it sound like Klein purposely made MJ addicted, and she could be right. I wonder if Klein was behing of Carrie Fisher's addictions too as they were friends?

- Debbie Rowe worked with Alan Metzger after the Bad tour to get Michael off Demerol. (timing unclear see below) Debbie says Michael was visiting Hoefflin and Klein a lot and the doctors were sending her to babysit Michael after they gave him drugs.
- Debbie says Hoefflin gave Demerol, Versed and Diprivan (Propofol) and sometimes would put Michael under and say he did work on him when he did not. (She says she saw both Klein and Hoefflin's treatments) She says Hoefflins treatments were after Bad and before History tour. she says he would put Michael under for 6-7 hours. She saw this 3 times. She says she learned from Michael and Klein that he went to Hoefflin's office 2-3 times a month.

Those so called doctors were sickuke:

- Debbie says Metzger was the one doctor that cared about Michael and she called him after three incidents over three months. One was at Universal Hilton incident and Two times at Century City. At one time (Universal Hilton) he was loopy and with slurred speech, Debbie goes to the hotel and found Dilaudid given to Michael by Hoefflin for his scalp issues. She calls Klein and tells him Michael took too many and asks him what he wants her to do, take him to hospital. Klein says to her stay there and keep and eye on him. She stays with Michael for 2 days. Second one Michael calls her and he was rambling and she went to his house at Century City. (Partial deposition cuts here)
- It sounds like Debbie gave copies of MJ's records to Metzger so he knows what's going on.
- Intervention with Metzger: Timing isn't clear. At one part she says it was after Bad tour sometime 1989 - 1990, at another time she says it was before Bangkok part of the tour (which I mean is referencing Dangerous tour). At the later part it sounds more like 1993 and sometime between Super Bowl / Rose Bowl halftime and Bangkok. Between January 1993 and August 1993 is mentioned as Metzger intervention later on.
- She says Metzger told her what to do to get Michael off Demerol, patches they used and other medications. she stayed with Michael every night for 3 weeks doing what Metzger told her. One day she comes and Michael has left for Bangkok. Their treatment wasn't finished. Debbie was told to meet with a doctor and give the doctor the schedule to be followed with the detox. Debbie was worried they would not follow the detox program and Metzger told her there's nothing they could do. She later says Michael had a relapse in Bangkok.

She makes Metzger sound like proper and good doctor, maybe he was, but I'm a bit of iffy about Metzger because of his involvement during granny napping.


- While they are doing the intervention with Metzger, Michael mentions anesthesia and being put out for a certain amount of time so he didn't have to go through withdrawals. They say no.

Speechless! Who even told him that while getting rid of his dangerous addiction, it is ok to take something else as dangerous?

- History tour anesthesia are at :Lyon France, Paris France and Munich Germany - at hotels (Lyon and Munich and at an apartment (Paris). (this is the only times Debbie saw anesthesia for sleep). She talks to Michael he says he needs to sleep, she tells him it's not a good idea. Doctors explain anesthesia to MJ with warnings and saying it's not recommended. Debbie says to Michael "You could die, this is a little rash". Michael tells her he would be fine. Debbie thinks it's because he had anesthesia many times before so he did not consider it a problem.
- Time unclear but Debbie mentions Michael going to Klein, Hoefflin and Sasaki at the same time and she went with him to keep track of medications.
- Debbie doesn't have much info after stop working Klein's office and divorcing.

I don't know Debbie and if she is telling the truth, but to me it looks like she did have Michael's best and his health in her mind.

This is absolutely heartbreaking to read what went on:no:

Was Michael working on Michael's scalp?

Re Klein, I have to question why Klein was giving Michael Collagen during the Bad era? Michael was in his prime. Perhaps it was something else I have forgotten but it seems to me that Klein is very good at convincing people they need certain things, and yes I made the Carrie Fisher connection as well. I can't remember when he treated Elizabeth Taylor.

Yes it is all absolutely heartbreaking, surrounded by so many 'friends' and none of them actually care. :-(

I think collagen is also a treatment for vitligo

What's the reason of Panish asking Briggs about the hours, pymt & the work he did, related to Michael, in the past? Where does he wants to go?

Some tidbits from Lloyds documents
- Dr. Slavit did a regular blood test - checking Michael's cholesterol and such. Murray is mentioned as the personal physician at his notes. Michael only mentions 2005 hospital visit to Slavit.

So if it wasn't separately requested to test drugs in the blood, it wouldn't have been done?

- Klein Demerol records
March 13 : 100 +100 (30 min later)
March 17 : 100 + 100 (1 hr later)
March 18 : 100 +100 (1 hr later)
March 19 : 100 +100 ( 30 min later)
March 23 : 200
April 6 : 200
April 9 : 200
April 13 : 200
April 15 : 200
April 17 : 200 + 100 (30 min later)
April 21: 200 + 100 ( 1 hr later)
April 22: 200 + 100 (1 hr later) + 75 (1 hr later)
April 23: 100
April 25 : --
April 27 : 200 + 100 (1 hr later)
April 28 : --
April 30 : 200 + 100 (2 hr later)
May 4 : 200 + 100 (2 hr later)
May 5 : 200 + 100 (1.5 hr later)
May 6 : 200 + 100 (1 hr later)
May 19 : 200
May 20 : 200
May 21: 100
June 1 : 200
June 3 : 100 + 100 (1 hr later)
June 9 : 100 + 100 (1 hr later)
June 16 : 100
June 22: 100

Who was giving those shots on May if Klein was out of the country?


- Dr. Rish says he never gives pain medicine when he does injections and at most uses topical creams

He was Klein's partner, so maybe he was the one giving shots on May?

- Adams says Murray called him for the first time at March 2009 on a Sunday asking Adams to come to his (Murray's home).Adams said he did not do house calls and did not know why Murray was calling him. Murray called him a second time 15 minutes later telling him Michael wanted to meet him. (deposition cuts) Adams goes to meet Michael and Murray at April 6 at Murray's office, they talk about the tour, Murray leaves after 30 minutes, Michael talks to him about the shows, his concern and he didn't know if he would be able to get his rest. (deposition cuts) Michael and Murray leaves the room to talk for 15 minutes, Adams irritated, he wants to leave, they told him to wait a little, Michael tells him he would like Adams to go on tour with him. Adams say Murray did not look happy, his demeanor changed, more sedated. Michael carried the conversation. Michael tells Adams he want him to "help get his rest" & help with medical treatments for his kids. Michael tells him Murray going to the tour as well. Michael tells him to think about it and give him an answer. Adams agrees later in the April but thinks apparently his asking price was too high

If Adams testifies in this trial the same he said in his deposition to Lloyds case, it will be hugely damaging to plaintiffs and Michael.
He says there that MJ admitted he has problems at sleeping and will need propofol (I assume he meant propofol) and MJ asks him too to come to UK. We know from earlier testimonies that it was CM that was supposed to hire nurse to uk with him, but obviously CM didn't want to share his payment. It also shows that MJ acknowledges he needed someone else there other than CM, but went ahead and allowed CM to administer propofol to him. No doubt AEG will show that they had no idea of any of that, and MJ deceived them for not disclosing this information. Pretty much the same as CM defense:-(

About what Adams says CM's demeanor changing after MJ asked Adams to come to UK scares the hell out of me.
I think, considering he is narcissistic sociopath, he wanted to be only doctor for Mj and take all control over him, thus he didn't get back to Adams.