I don't think they knew about sleep issues. they may have suspected something was wrong but they did not know it was due to lack of sleep. so the jacksons still have work to do.
They have established that MJ had problems but they have not established that AEG knew about his sleep problems.
Read Phillips testimony, they talked about it with Murray.
a nutritionist to fix sleep issues? That's so funny.come on... and the fact that PG suggested a nutritionist means nothing really in the big picture except that he may have felt MJ was not eating well. not that he was not sleeping at all.
Also at this point AEG did not know that MJ had insomnia. This was not known to anybody else besides MJ and CM. Both were very secretive about MJ medical conditions.
Please, give me a break and try to be respectful. What
is funny is your post, I never said that, you completeley misunderstood what I wrote and then you make fun of me ? Great.
I was pretty sure CM order propofol before the end of April, you posted April 30. I will have to check later.
I did not say that, I looked it up and said april 6 and 28 for propofol, april
30 for benzos.
Re your comment to Ivy about fueling the fire--she just told me thank you for my post. It is ridiculous IMO to accuse someone of fueling the fire when they simply say thank you. I think people have asked Ivy a lot of questions, which is fine, but she has patiently answered them, and yet periodically she gets accused of stuff that as someone just reading what she wrote, I don't see how she has done anything to deserve those accusations, such as your accusation that she is fueling the fire by saying thank you to someone's post. This is putting her in a bind. That IMO is unfair and something I don't like to see happen to anyone who is doing their best to help us with facts (as opposed to opinions). We need facts on which to form/base our opinions. I have read a few comments criticizing her and have not said anything, but I finally will say--let's give her the respect and appreciation she deserves! I was very glad to read your acknowledgement of the hard work she does for us all!! Yay!!
I'll say what I want to say, and I'll repeat this : it's hard to be against the "mainstram opinion" here. It's also very tiring to read this kind of posts or aguments with personnal attacks and disrespect, mostly directed to always the same persons, and the "bad atmosphere" it creates here. There was no need to enter into an argument about what that dr said and take it so personnally just because one person doesn't agree with you, and no need for the "sigh" comment, no need to say that some questions are "tiring" , or no need to say that certain posters have a lot of "imagination" , or are "funny" etc.. and so no need to start it again, IMO.
It IS tiring, I'm personnally not far fom leaving this forum altogether. I'm not a very confrontational person, and I'm sometimes a bit disappointed or tired of having to answer to or read personnal attacks.
this part I disagree. first of all dietitian does require a specific set of knowledge which I'm not sure a doctor would have. Second I have seen people going through cancer treatments with little to no appetite and eating is a torture for such people. if you force them to eat it just makes it worse. so trying to feed them is actually very difficult and does require planning by an expert nutritionist. (ps : seeing that cancer patients being referred to dietitian, I will assume that it's not something a doctor would be the best person to do)
I'm going to comment on this explaining US medical system. Here there are two distinct doctors : general physicians (Also known as family doctors) and specialists. In USA the general physicians are the first one to go and they can handle very basic general care issues such as routine checkups, immunizations and so on. For everything else they refer to you to a specialist.
so given US medical system, it's not really weird to consider an actual specialist for a very specific issue.
Doctors know about nutrition , PG himself could not explain that. They were not looking for doctors specialised in nutrition , Phillips hired a friend of his, who is not a "nutritionnist" at all.
What you say is true for physical therapists, because that's an entirely different training , not nutritionists, a doctor could have done that. Apparently CM said he would, and never did. he was apparently expected to do that. According to Kai Chase, he didn't do much, if anything at all, about nutrition, and we heard about the result.
Re bolded : I didn't think about forcing people (which is what Phillip's friend was supposd to do I guess, in a way) , I was thinking of those enriched drinks they give to people who can't eat enough. My spefather was presribed stuff like that when he was going through several rounds of chemotherapy, and I was buying them, from a pharmacy. It was 15 years ago, so I guess they can do better things now, more efficient. What I was buying looked like flavored milk, and was enriched with all sorts of stuff (protein/vitamins, etc...) so he could be 'fed" without having to go through a full meal. In my stepfather's case , he was prescribed about 25cl per "meal" (about an average glass). I also saw these products when I was working in a hospital. Michael had a low appetite, he was not going through what cancer patients go through. You can also give nutritionnal stuff IV, like Nurse Lee did, Murray did not even try it apparently.
