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Latoya Jackson Then and Now (some things never change)

I think maybe the difference of opinion here lies in the difference between explanations and excuses.
I personally deeply dislike Toy toy. It's not based on whatever speculations or hearsay, only on her actions and words.
That being cleared, I also believe there are reasons to explain every human being's behavior. There are reasons why she's that way. Like others have said, I also think she lacked attention when she was a kid, and that she was probably abused by Joe, mentally, emotionally, and physically (the sexual part, I'll leave aside, not sure). It's all speculation this time, and maybe I'm playing Freud, but I believe growing up in that family was hard for those who succeeded in show business, so it must have been much harder for those who didn't. I also believe she was abused by Gordon, but the more it goes, the more I think it was much less than what she said. That, we will never know. I think she held grudges at her siblings, and parents, she was jealous first of their success, and of the attention they were getting from their parents. Again, I wasn't there, just imagining considering what I know. Hence the first book, to get attention, and to get back at everyone. Hence the crap about Michael, the most successful one, because, it was what sold.

These are explanations. They are not excuses, for there are none for what she has done, and what she keeps on doing. Family dirty laundry should be washed privately. And the way she's acting, jumping in the spotlight at every occasion, she's using Michael's death to finally get the attention she has been craving all these years. Using the conspiracy theory because it makes her look more serious and believable. (I'm not criticizing this theory, just to be clear) She writes a book about her life, to help abused women? Why is Michael on the cover? Why is Michael's death being discussed? Because it's what sells. Why is she going with the conspiracy theory? Because it sells. Why is she discussing Michael's kids? Because it sells. The most famous Jackson is gone, Janet is too discreet, so there's an empty spot for grabs. For those who have seen the Global Live press conference, did you realize, she's the one who talk the longest? And she ended up talking about herself?

There are no doubt a lot we don't know, but I think even without the inside information and explanation, but based only on what I've seen, and heard, coming from her, publicly, well, my opinion is not nice. And I'm saying it quite politely. Her book should be called Oops I did it again.
 
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I think the general problem most people have with Toya is the fact she won't take any responsibility for her past action. When she was with her ex-husband to blamed everything on Joe to a lesser extent her mother, and her religion. Joe made me do this, mom made me do that, my religion made me blind to this, ect. Now, it is the same thing except Joe and Mrs. Jackson has been replace with her ex-husband.

I will say that I do believe Toya was abused to some extent. I saw those photos of her and I doubt she self-inflicted those injures. Not to mention her ex had a pretty bad record that looked like something straight out of a mafia movie. So, I will say it is possible her husband did force her to do certain things.

However, you can't make me believe her husband force her to write a book that turned out to be largely true. You also can't make me believe that her husband forced her to do a giant media tour calling her brother a pedo and her father a rapist. She tried to justify those actions by saying her husband would had killed Michael and Janet if she didn't do what she was told. Problem is, why the hell didn't she go the polices? It is one thing for your abusive husband to threaten your life, but the moment he spoke about harming her family, she should had ran to the cops right then and there. Also, what exactly did her ex gang by calling Joe a child rapist? Joe maybe a jackass, but that isn't a charge to be thrown lightly. If he did it just to piss Joe off, why didn't he 'make' Toya put it in her book along? She put the other crap Joe made him do.

Also, why did she call Michael a pedo when she all but praised him in her book and even go as far to say he approved of her doing Playboy? Really, was it all for revenge because Michael denied this statement?

Her story maybe more believable if she didn't go and repeat the exact same mistakes as last time. Everything is everyone's fault and now she is trying to drag Michael into this. She is trying to make it seems that it was everyone's else fault for what happen to Michael, but by doing so she is painting him as a child. Maybe in her mind this is a good thing since Toya likes to play victim herself.

For the lack of better words, Toya needs to grow up and stop making excuses.
 
To me it's even worse than repeating the same mistakes. She blatantly contradicts her previous statements. Ex : She did Playboy b/c Gordon made her? But she said in 91 that she did it to get back at her parents...

Re- Michael, I honestly don't think she cares how she portrays him, as long as she is now seen as the one and only who knew the real Michael, and who can tell the world how he really was. In exchange of a TV camera and a check.
 
Justthefacts said:
If you think I am condescending towards you too bad. You bought Michael up because it is all you ever do. When someone has an issue with the Jackson family you always drag Michael's name into it to defend them. Like it or not there is no defending some of the shit they have done. Latoya Jackson is a liar has been caught and big ass lies and yet you and people like you have excuses for her.
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Amen.
kindofdisco said:
I don't think it's okay to call another person "a pathetic human being". You can criticize someone's behaviour that you've seen, but we don't know LaToya personally. We don't know Michael personally. Again, LaToya said those things while under her husband's influence, and yes I do firmly believe she was the victim of a terrible case of abuse. It was extremely out of character for her at the time to say those things, it doesn't match up with her past behaviour in the 80's and the 70's, particularly as she was very close to Michael.
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Latoya is a pathetic human being, she was pathetic, she is pathetic and she will remain pathetic. One of her characteristics is pathetic whether you like or not. She is pathetic pathetic pathetic. Period. And people should be allowed and free to call her what she is which is beyond pathetic.
 
twinklEE said:
Amen.


Latoya is a pathetic human being, she was pathetic, she is pathetic and she will remain pathetic. One of her characteristics is pathetic whether you like or not. She is pathetic pathetic pathetic. Period. And people should be allowed and free to call her what she is which is beyond pathetic.
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let me guess..you think LaToya is pathetic..:lmao:..:ninja:
 
Qbee thank you for making this thread. Geez, I wish people wouldn't downplay Latoya's behaviour as something harmless and 'silly.' There is nothing 'silly' about making criminal accusations without evidence, and for personal gain. In fact, I'd go as far as calling it sinister. She did it to Michael. And she's doing it again, albeit to someone else. The difference is, there is nobody forcing her this time.

In some of the interviews where she accuses Michael, she speaks with such conviction that I personally can't buy her as someone made to speak against their free will. Nope.

As for Michael forgiving her, we can only speculate. Michael has never made his feelings regarding Latoya and her accusations be known publicly. It's Latoya who said that Michael forgave her. He may have done so, being the forgiving person that he is. However, it's clear as daylight that their relationship was never the same, and that he kept her at arm's length. To anyone who thinks otherwise, Latoya had to rely on a bunch of fans and Karen Faye to piece together the supposed final days of her brother! What does that tell you?

For the last time, just because Michael may or may not have forgiven Latoya or anyone else that did him wrong, does not mean we have to mask our disappointment, and pretend that everything's fine. I detest anyone telling me, or others for that matter, how we should feel and behave with regard to the questionable actions of certain individuals.
 
qbee said:
She is stating the same things as today to promote her new book. and old recipe served up on a new platter.
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I think I know what she's making...

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qbee said:
Gert Berg interviews Latoya Jackson Familair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUbxi1XNgu0

Sound familiar_ here she also writes her book to help victims and she couldnt leave here either. She couldnt leave home she was captive. Joe would hunt her down. just as she said about Gordan. she only wrote this wrote book to help other abuse victims and part of proceed with go to children and abuse victims. katherine is worse then Joe for allowing Joe to sexually abuse rebbie then her .. joe was mentaly sick but her mom knew better *she snickers*

La Toya Jackson Tel Aviv press conference 1993 :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuoVcrPX13w

This was VERY damaging to Michael. I will never forgive or believe she was forced to make all the many hateful statement she made here and in many other interviews. If she said those things it was not becuase she was forced and had no other recourse. She just didnt have a conscience to begin with.

La Toya Jackson talks about Michael Jackson & LMP and continues to call MJ Pedo 1996
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA5Lj-KRGto

Latoya discuss MJ & LMP breakup . She says MJ doesnt like women and he is a pedophile But has no specifics to give becuase she is fearful Michaels people will harm her for speaking. Its same thing she says aboout Gordon in her new book. then says She is just trying to save the poor abused kids. The interviewer chalenges Latoya and she becomes angry.(interesting) MJs publicise was contacted and made no comment just said they are not interested in what Latoya has to say. MJ was making a short film "They dont care about us at this time his heart must have been breaking. He was always so courageous to carry on in the face of adversity :(


There are many more interviews and vids you can watch from now and then and see a pattern.

Im not saying Jack Gordon wasnt abusive at all or didnt have some kind of power,She may have been abused to some extent but I believe she was a willing partner in MOST of this. As a victim of very physical and mental abuse myself there is nothing could make me make publicly make statements like that EVER. and I dont consider myself brave or courages I just have a conscience and Im not Evil. I feel Latoya had no conscience to begin with and was just easily manipulated into taking part for fame and attention. I say she She is not brave she is not a hero trying to rescuse the abused ..

She exagerates and tells lies so easily and with such conviction and I really belive she is still is doing the same things today Becuase of the many blatant exagerations and lies she is still spewing from her mouth. I just cant forgive or believe her and I dont think Michael truley made ammends with her at all. from what we can see He just tolerated her in what little he saw of her. Just as his family does. They do not support her or even mention her for that matter. This is Just my opinion and course I dont fault anyone for having thier own opinion which may differ from mine.

Is just all to familiar _ ANYTHING for Fame attention and MONEY
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Indeed, it's all the same pattern. I still cannot stand her at all for the damage she did to Michael--not even knowing anything about his life at that moment, she took advantage of the "family connection", otherwise known as the general (and at times incorrect) assumption that family members know one another best, to say whatever she pleased for the media's attention. Then again, you could argue this for pretty much everything she's said thus far.

I largely agree with you, qbee. She is no longer an active victim of abuse, but she seems to use her prior circumstances as a free pass to say whatever she wills and justify the lies with that. Moreover, if the book is about her, why is Michael's picture part of the cover? She can't separate her own identity from him because without him, she's absolutely nothing. Who wants to hear about no-talent "crazy" LaToya Jackson? All the other Jackson brothers and sisters are far more interesting than she is, culminating with the massive genius Michael Jackson. Therefore, she cannot get the level of attention she wants without using him--as she used him in 1993 and 1996. Since she CONTINUES to use him for the attention she so desperately craves, it is obvious that she is not at all sorry for what she's done in the past. People who are truly sorry cease the behaviour--since she has yet to show even the slightest sign of desisting, I'm of the opinion that in her heart of hearts, she is not sorry in the least for anything she's said.

If anybody here is a victim of abuse, it's Michael. To have the world turn its back on you for things you've never even dreamed of doing, and on top of that have your own sister choose their side (the circumstances truly are irrelevant), imagine how that must have felt to him, especially given the fact that they were relatively close in the 70s and 80s.

I don't really care what the circumstances she lived under were, to be honest. As qbee says, both as a victim of emotional/psychological and physical abuse, I can't ever see myself betraying someone I truly cared for just to save something as insignificant as my own life. Moreover, while I don't put it past Gordon to be an abusive sociopath, who knows lie from truth when it comes to LaToya Jackson? She seems to mix the two so liberally that nothing that comes out of her mouth is beyond suspicion. He might have prompted her to do some things with threats, but it is far likely that these threats were against her own well-being than that of her siblings or anyone else who didn't interact with him. Really--all we have to go on in regards to the reason behind what she's said about Michael is LaToya's word.

In any case, she smacked of cowardice and selfishness then and she smacks of cowardice and selfishness now--who's threatening her now?

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Well, sure. LaToya does say some silly things.
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The problem is...she does not say silly things. A silly thing to say would be, for example, saying that the sky is made of blue marshmallow lucky charms. This statement is silly, yet harmless. She's saying very damaging things backed by absolutely no evidence whatsoever, and there is a HUGE problem with this, so I won't shrug it off and move on because, like her idiocy and utter selfishness proved very damaging to Michael before, her idiocy and utter selfishness are equally lethal now.

Like the woman at the end of that first clip so wisely told her, "get your own life." Why does she have to continue riding Michael Jackson's coattails? If she is as successful as she claims she is, why does everything she is currently doing have to do with Michael Jackson? She is clearly using him, as she did back then. Truly, she hasn't changed a bit. She's only changed the application, but her tactics are still the same.
 
Severus Snape thank you so much for pointing that HUGE point out..WHY is Michael on the cover of her book with her?? We have heard people (not here) defened her actions for doing this...they say,,oh only 10% of her book is about Michael..the other 90% is about her abused past. So yes WHY put Michael on the cover with you..if such a small percentage of the book is about him. Because as you mentioned..the book wouldn't sell. Now I am not trying to take away from her that she has her own fans and she would sell SOME books ...BUT...imo I fee as though by her putting Michael on the cover with her..she is trying to appeal to US MJ fans to further her sales. Also she can claim abuse all she wants..and like I said earlier...she probably was abused up to a point...but also another poster here made a good point to,,,(Petrarose) said...if she was that afraid of Gorden..she would never of said some stuff that she said against him either,,,,because she would KNOW for a fact that when she got home...he would kick her ass...and THAT is the truth. I also see ALOT of acting coming from LaToya in thoes tapes...especially when she talks about Michael and molesting children. She says..*I have see the checks made out to those parents* and then she speaks alot with her hands..her actions speak louder to me than her words do. She is a fake...an actress and a liar. I am suprised that she never made movies...other than being in a Playboy and a few video's....her acting talent ends there..because imo...LaToya is VERY transparent in her lies...and to keep those SAME lies going today ...is needless and senseless..I think she is trying to appeal to the new audience to the NEW fans that have NOT heard her same old tired ass stories...and what better way to do it than to revise her tired book,,,put the same stuff in it.
 
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^Indeed. I know LaToya has some fans of her own, under which criteria I reckon is beyond me,(that seems like a topic for another time), but the point is that if she wrote a book simply about her own experience, only her fans would be interested in reading about it since she has no real career of her own. The most attention she's ever gotten is, unsurprisingly, whenever she says anything about her brother or her family, so she exploits this relentlessly to get even a fraction of the importance the others get. She can't stand being ordinary, and I think she greatly resents her more talented siblings (I would reckon especially Michael and Janet) because at least they have marketable talent/skill to some regard, with the greatest amount of these exhibiting themselves in Michael and Janet, but clearly most of all in Michael.

But, at the end of the day, she'll quickly exhaust her ability to exploit her association with Michael (especially since he is dead), and will have to eventually face the truth of her own inadequate self and the fact that she will never have as many fans as Michael, nor be an object of interest to the general public like he was. Simply put, whether for better or for worse, no one outside of her fan base gives a fig about LaToya Jackson, and the media give her the time of day merely to poke fun at her, and that's all.

Given the fact that she comes from a large family, it is not surprising that LaToya chooses (whether consciously or not is debate-worthy) to act out for the attention she so desperately craves (enough to do really stupid things like pose nude for Playboy or say awful things about her sibling). She probably never got much attention growing up, especially since Joe's attention (whether positive or negative is irrelevant--in the mind of a child, even negative attention is better than no attention at all) was centered on the Jackson 5. Katherine's attention was likewise not particularly focused on her, as mothers have to dish out relatively equivalent attention to all offspring. The more siblings there are, the more divided mother's attention had to be (she can only give so much attention), and as this family had an unusually large number of children, Katherine's attention became divided, and as LaToya was among the oldest, the attention she got decreased with time as it is assumed older children are more capable of looking after themselves than their younger counterparts, therefore less in need of attention and care.

The circumstances outside of her control in regards to the dynamic of her family life and her relationship to her parents and siblings probably caused LaToya to seek attention and love elsewhere. However, unlike parental love (in its theoretical circumstance), love outside of one's own unit is almost always conditional. The public will only "love" a figure if he has traits which they consider appealing (i.e. beauty, some sort of understandable talent, charm, etc.) and will not do so unconditionally, as public "love" is fickle. The Jackson Five, as a group, were able to combine their talents and gain the admiration of the general public, and Michael and Janet were both able to do this in their solo careers as well. LaToya, possessing no such talent, was unable to reproduce their positive results, and therefore the entire trauma of her childhood (losing attention, especially to her younger siblings) replayed in her adult life.

Therefore, the only option she saw was to hold on to the most successful as a parasitic entity, to be the shadow counterpart of his light, as shadow cannot exist without a light to cast it, and from here reap the seeds of his individual success like a tick would life-force from a stag in the form of blood. Of course, LaToya quickly noticed a pattern--the more outrageous and crazy her stories were, the more attention she got from the public, therefore, she, like all humans, did what worked. It doesn't matter whether the attention she currently gets is positive (caring sister) or negative ("crazy" LaToya and her crap), as I stated earlier, even negative attention is preferable to no attention whatsoever, as negative attention is at least a form to validate the self and one's importance in something. It is infantile logic, and the very same principles under which children who act out function.
 
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Truthfully I have been sick of LaToya for years, she twists and she changes her stories to suit whatever gets her the attention at the time. She accused her brother of the most heinous crime and if he did forgive her then she should be eternally grateful, but since he passed what do we see - LaToya promoting herself and bigging up her relationship with his children and telling us how happy they are now, ok maybe thats the media spin, but she has done enough interviews since where she states the same, if she had chosen to she could have corrected it.

I'm probably more cynical than most here regarding whether her relationship with Gordon was abusive, only because I take everything she says with a pinch of salt. Maybe I'm unfair, but as she has spun so many yarns over the years that it's too difficult to see what is the truth.
 
She called the man I love a paedophile twice. I will never forgive her. Sorry but no.
 
I remember specially 1996 intervew cuz I watched it the same year and I was completely shocked and angry and then in 2004 she was interviewed by a latin talk show host Cristina Saralegui, she was defending him there and promoting her new record, "how covenient, isn't it?". Since that moment despite hating her I didn't trust her at all.

Sorry for not posting the video, I wish I could fin it but it isn't in youtube.
 
SheilaMJFan4Ever said:
You sound like what rehab counselors call "enablers": looking to make amends for or excuse the selfishly destructive actions of others. You think relatives are immune to using and hurting each other for money, fame, etc? Being related to someone doesn't make you bullet proof from being betrayed by them. If you turn on the news you hear story after story of family members robbing, abusing and killing each other. This is as old as the bible's Cain murdering his brother, Abel. .
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The bolded, thank you so much for that. I think you have something there. I was trying to understand this type of thinking and now you have brought it clearly to the surface. Now that we understand that we can carry on with the discussion.

Blue, you pointed out something that has never made sense to me also, why would Gordon make her react so destructively against her brother? Until she can explain that, I can never believe that he made her say ALL these negatives against Michael. Unless he hated him with a passion, and then why would he. The thing does not make sense, and now that Gordon is dead, who is driving her to keep to the same pattern? Gordon's ghost? Or is it daddy? Again I am left with the same conclusion, that Latoya is doing what Latoya wants--to gain attention.
 
^^I didn't know her ex husband was dead; I thought after she go-t divorced of that herrendeus guy she would stop acting like she did againts Michael but I am obviosly wrong.
I agree with Petrarose, she wants to gain attention to compensate her evident lack of talent using her most famous brother.
 
i didn't realize that she called Michael that horrible thing twice. I remember the first time but not the second. please tell me what can possibly be going on behind the scenes that would cause her to do such an unforgivable thing. She looked like she was fully enjoying the moment. Not someone terrified for her life . IMO she did of her own free will.

If she can go on national TV and popular magazines and talk her crap about Michael then i don't think there is anything wrong discussing her in the privacy of MJJC.

I know and most fans know that michael had flaws. But that was why we loved him soooo very much. He made no excuses and by his actions he was a man trying to become the best he could be. Through love and not lies and anger. Why are we the only ones that seem to see that? Since when is it wrong to be a hands on parent who seeks discipline through love? They got some nerve critisizing his parenting skills.

And please tell me why they don't want to give Michael the credit for his success? yeah wait until after Michael is gone to take credit for his iconc moves, style and mannerisms. He isn't here to dispute you. You live in fantasy land...
I remember when Jermaine was upset that they didn't have control of the MJ estate and he said it was theirs because they created it. Oh really? I don't remember you on the BAD, DANGEROUS, and HIStory tours. I don't remember hearing stories about you dance rehearsing until you dropped from exhaustion.

Why can't you just love him and celebrate his genius? Why the need to put him down? Does it make you feel better about yourself? You know michael would have probably loved to have included you in his life to share it's ups and downs. To laugh and cry together.

Instead you chose to go on TV and call him the most horrible thing possible... TWICE!!!!!!!!

Go away now please.
 
Ben, I like your long post. There is something I wonder about. Now Latoya and many say she was abused by her father, but I wonder to what extent. I would think that Joe was rough, short temepered, and used the belt, but to what extent was he like that to the girls? I think that Joe was more abusive to the boys because they were his meal ticket. They represented what he wanted to accomplish and could not. They were going to give him a lot of money and take him out of the ghetto. As a result, he disciplined them with the belt, emotionally, and verbally to keep them in line. I think that is his way of thinking.\

Now the girls were Rebbie, Latoya & Janet. Rebbie, I feel was busy being mother's little helper and was already about to be married when they were in Gary. Michael said in his book that Latoya used to be jealous when they left for the road because she thought they were going out to have fun. Now Joe always went with the boys, so latoya could not have been under Joe's thumb too much for her to get massive amounts of abuse. Although, I feel she was abused by Joe, I cannot seriously believe that it was as detrimental as Michael's. Janet the baby, I still cannot see getting as much abuse from Joe, although she mentions being hit in or out of the bath (I paraphrase here).

Also, I do not know if some of you remember, but in the late 80's early 90's there was a new "in thing" (sorry for the expression) where every star and personality on TV were revealing that they were abused by their father or uncle, but it was mainly fathers. The names included Oprah, Rosanne Barr, and other stars. I was really becoming sick of it at that time. It had reached the point where allegations of "father abused me" was all over the place. It was in that context that Latoya came out with daddy molested me and how she would hear Rebbie crying in the night and her mom would tell her to go back to bed. So Latoya's claims did not come from out of the blue. There was a climate at the time in the media where stars were saying "I was abused" which helped her create this story and make it believable.

Now, I never heard Rebbie say on TV if this was true. Who knows what Latoya made up in her mind, but one thing I am sure when it comes to her statements we have to be very critical of them because they lack integrity.
 
petrarose said:
I think that Joe was more abusive to the boys because they were his meal ticket. They represented what he wanted to accomplish and could not. They were going to give him a lot of money and take him out of the ghetto. As a result, he disciplined them with the belt, emotionally, and verbally to keep them in line. I think that is his way of thinking.

Now the girls were Rebbie, Latoya & Janet. Rebbie, I feel was busy being mother's little helper and was already about to be married when they were in Gary. Michael said in his book that Latoya used to be jealous when they left for the road because she thought they were going out to have fun. Now Joe always went with the boys, so latoya could not have been under Joe's thumb too much for her to get massive amounts of abuse.
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Yep, that adds into my point as well. Joe put in so much attention to the Jackson 5 because they represented what he always wanted to do but had no means to do, in other words, he lived vicariously through them. Katherine, on the other hand, shelled out little bits of attention to all as she was the mother--none of them were severely neglected when it came to meals, clothing, etc. More importantly, however, each of the Jacksons had a place in the family, save for LaToya. The Jackson boys were all musicians, Rebbie, the eldest, was "mommy's helper," as you've said, and Janet, who would later on go to become a musician of considerable talent/renown herself, was always the baby of the family.

LaToya, being neither the absolute eldest (falling short to Rebbie), not a singer until her adult life (and one of disputable talent and minimal, if any, influence), nor having a definite place in the family (such as Janet's "baby sister" status), never had a concrete place in the family to begin with and was never really the object of either attention or affection. In her adult life, the circumstances remain unchanged--she has meandered between possible careers but has made no concrete or meaningful advances in any (and, arguably, has used Michael to advance her endeavours).

The bit about her being jealous of the Jackson brothers when they went on tour because she associated touring with fun was her romanticized perception of an otherwise brutal reality (as Michael would reveal). Since she has never tasted the glory that either Michael or his brothers (to a lesser extent) had, she still holds this view. That's why she craves attention so desperately--to change and triumph over her past neglect.
 
@Petrarose, i can't remember where LaToya hinted about Joe and sexual abuse, I think it was when she was doing various. interviews touting her first book but I don't think there was anything about it in there, also there was nothing bad about Michael.
 
I like La Toya. I feel drawn to her and feel warmth towards her. Whenever I see her in a video or in a photo, I smile.
 
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@Petrarose, i can't remember where LaToya hinted about Joe and sexual abuse, I think it was when she was doing various. interviews touting her first book but I don't think there was anything about it in there, also there was nothing bad about Michael.
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It was not in a book, because I never read her books. She said these things in interviews back then. I am really talking here about what Latoya said on interviews.

Shila, I think most people like her. She does have some endearing childlike qualities and a bubble-like personality. Latoya as an interviewee talking about Michael Jackson is another thing, and that is the same person with different personalities. Some people find it difficult to separate the two. Some focus on the other Latoya and disregard the attention seeking, destructive personality Latoya.
 
I don't like LaTonta
 
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Obviously La Toya knows that talking about Michael gets attention. But, some people are acting like all she's done is latch onto Michael. I can only think of two times over the last few decades that she did that - when she made the accusations the 90's and the last few years, after Michael passed away. To be fair to La Toya, she has done a lot more in her life than just give interviews about Michael. Yeah, it hasn't been the most impressive or successful career path, but she has done other stuff. Even in the past few years, she's been trying to sell various products with no mention of Michael at all (unlike Joe - lol).

So, I really disagree with some of the stuff that she's been saying about Michael and his kids recently. But, I don't think it's fair to act like these actions define her.
 
Maybe Michael forgave her,like he forgave his father
Joe came to Paris birthday party 2009 and Michael didn´t want to see him.
I´m not sure but I think Michael finally agreed to see his father after Joe had been waiting for hours.
 
diana79;3453068 said:
So, I really disagree with some of the stuff that she's been saying about Michael and his kids recently. But, I don't think it's fair to act like these actions define her.
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It defines her to the public. LaToya isn't some major movie star or television star or even singer, and yet she got a media blitz for her book that would rival a multiple oscar winner. Even an oscar winner at 55, who has had minimal work in the entertainment industry for nearly 20 years, probably would not receive the massive media coverage LaToya has for a book, regardless the topic.

Can you think of anyone with her very limited "accomplishments" that would get the kind of camera time LaToya Jackson has EVER received. Even in her youth with her beauty, she got the playboy spread because of her last name. Even if she got playboy solely for her beauty, she wouldn't have been able to get all those television interviews because of it.

Interest in LaToya Jackson is and ALWAYS has been TOTALLY generated by being Michael Jackson's sister. That's what makes her matter to the public. So her connect to him definitely defines her for getting the kind of attention she apparently relishes.

MIST;3453297 said:
Maybe Michael forgave her,like he forgave his father
Joe came to Paris birthday party 2009 and Michael didn´t want to see him.
I´m not sure but I think Michael finally agreed to see his father after Joe had been waiting for hours.
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I totally understand why MJ forgave them. It's easier to do so than to hold onto anger and animonsity for family.

Staying on the LaToya topic, I'd think it would be too painful for him NOT to believe her actions were all because of Jack Gordon. I'd think he'd latch on to that belief because thinking the sister he loved could hurt him that much for her own selfish needs would be too hurtful to bear. He said in the Oprah interview he didn't read her book, my guess is he never saw her reprehensible interviews either. They certainly raise the question as to how much she was actually forced to betray him, especially that Inside Edition interview where she certainly doesn't appear to be speaking from anything closely related to fear, but rather comes off as brash and defiant.

Kenny Ortega said it best. He said whatever negativity was thrown at Michael, he just threw more love out. It's totally understandable why he would do that with his family. Anything else would have COMPLETELY destroyed him.
 
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It defines her to the public. LaToya isn't some major movie star or television star or even singer, and yet she got a media blitz for her book that would rival a multiple oscar winner. Even an oscar winner at 55, who has had minimal work in the entertainment industry for nearly 20 years, probably would not receive the massive media coverage LaToya has for a book, regardless the topic.

Can you think of anyone with her very limited "accomplishments" that would get the kind of camera time LaToya Jackson has EVER received. Even in her youth with her beauty, she got the playboy spread because of her last name. Even if she got playboy solely for her beauty, she wouldn't have been able to get all those television interviews because of it.

Interest in LaToya Jackson is and ALWAYS has been TOTALLY generated by being Michael Jackson's sister. That's what makes her matter to the public. So her connect to him definitely defines her for getting the kind of attention she apparently relishes.



I totally understand why MJ forgave them. It's easier to do so than to hold onto anger and animonsity for family.

Staying on the LaToya topic, I'd think it would be too painful for him NOT to believe her actions were all because of Jack Gordon. I'd think he'd latch on to that belief because thinking the sister he loved could hurt him that much for her own selfish needs would be too hurtful to bear. He said in the Oprah interview he didn't read her book, my guess is he never saw her reprehensible interviews either. They certainly raise the question as to how much she was actually forced to betray him, especially that Inside Edition interview where she certainly doesn't appear to be speaking from anything closely related to fear, but rather comes off as brash and defiant.

Kenny Ortega said it best. He said whatever negativity was thrown at Michael, he just threw more love out. It's totally understandable why he would do that with his family. Anything else would have COMPLETELY destroyed him.
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So very true
 
hmm what a discussion here. Wow qbee never saw so much passion about something and your really mad?

I agree with both sides. Is that also ok? :) I think its noble like the chosenone said to give benefit of the doubt. I dont understand though why people can not play the fam card? For me that is true latoya is michaels sister and there for out of respect for michael i will not say ugly things about her or others of the fam. That doesnt mean i agree with here or stand behind her.
Im just not going to attack his fam, i made that agreement with myself and to michael.
I know i dont respect the things she said and did. But what i will say is, i agree that she need help.
I think she is somehow broken by things that happened, and maybe in the shaduw of michael she broke. So i hope she get help because what happened in the 90 is not now, and now she is still not ok.
 
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