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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Wow... this here is very interesting. Well, as I am not good to interpret lyrics of songs. I'd rather be watching the debate. But I love the posts of all! I'll get the popcorn and follow the posts! lol! :)​
 
Renata said:
Hey! I'm back after a few says off... :)

I've been reading what you guys wrote, but it's too much to cacht up now... I'll try to do it later...

But I could read some of the last pages, about the girl and how she must feel, and the lines of thought MP and queen g identified.

I'm tending more to the two last lines, meaning or Michael doesn't really know the girl or he saw her once or twice but never really met her..

Maybe it's my romantic way of viewing life, but I think they never actually met.. It's a love meant to be by God, a spiritual thing... They're soulmates.

And after reading all your concerns about her I came to realize that maybe Michael won't recognize her when they meet, because he meets a lot of girls who swear they love him and they're his soulmates.

So, I ask... Can we be sure that her adventure will end the day they meet? Or she'll have to prove to him that she's the one? Will Michael know that she is the girl of his dreams just by looking in her eyes?
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Those are good questions. Here's what I feel. I feel that the first time he saw her, he 'saw' her. In other words, there are some people who, when you see them, you see THEM, not their "role" or their "mask" or their "expressions" but THEM, the BEING that they ARE. Everybody doesn't want that. Someone who can 'see' them I mean. Didn't MJ say he is a person who wants to hide the windows to his soul? Is she that way too? Could that be why they've never gotten together. Could it be like the movie where the two beings are more powerful as long as they're apart? (wouldn't that be ironic)

I do feel though that is the only way, (if we're anywhere near on track) that they imho would not have trouble recognizing eachother again. The same way that they 'recognized' eachother the first time.

Speaking of "in the dark", I'm beginning to feel it is significant to how they met or first encountered eachother. It took me this long to put together what AllforMJ had said early on, in the original thread (this is thread #2 for this topic, the first was deleted). I asked her why or how she randomly came up with this topic and she said that she tied the songs Someone In the Dark with the song, The Way You Love Me. The first makes reference to "her" being "in the dark" and the second references him being "in the dark" which now makes sense to me as to how it could be relevant that they were both in their own way, "in the dark" the moment they first 'met' (whatever 'met' means to this) How do people recognize anything "in the dark"? They have to go by "feel". Where does that sort of 'feel' come from? It comes from intuition which comes from Spirit. I believe that they were both in the realm of Spirit at the time that they met, which is the same way they would recognize eachother again.

I don't get the feeling it was her "eyes" per se, but moreso, what he "saw" IN her eyes, which are the windows to the soul. That could explain how he knew right away they were "soul-mates". For that reason, I don't imagine he'll have any problem 'recognizing' her again as he did the first time. And if closure is what he needs, I would imagine that could be the best way to go about it - for both of them.

If they are not "meant to be" as a couple, they will always care about eachother hopefully, because of the amount of caring investment that has gone into it this far, unless there are "criteria" before MJ will 'care' about someone, and I for one can't really see that. If in fact she's getting his messages, it obviously would mean that she cares too. I would like to think that caring about a person would never change. I'm guessing from "her" apparent behavior that "she" wasn't trying to 'get with' him "like that" from the beginning because if she were trying to hit on him from the start there would not have been all this mystery. What if at the time, she really just needed a friend? What if she expected him to show up for her as a friend and instead showed up as Mr. hip, slick and cool. :giggle: Remember the line in Get It from the Thriller/Bad era days? "some think that diamond rings and fancy cars will fill her life with laughter...but what she needs is my love for ever after" But isn't MJ into "diamond rings and fancy cars?" :giggle: Was he trying to say in that song that that's not ALL he's about? We can see that he's not but was there that much known about him then? OK I feel a "Jermaine Blame" coming on :lol: sry j/k Jermaine

On another note, wouldn't it be funny if at their first meeting after all these years they both show up wearing shades :lol: with yet another layer for them to uncover to get to 'see' eachother again.
 
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I understand what you're saying, SOS, and I agree with you...

But I was thinking in case Michael didn't meet her in real world, only in dreams.. And, like I said, dreams are blurry, mixed images... Maybe he didn't really see her, it was more like sensing her.. Do know what I mean?

I don't know... I think it's better Michael release a new single with a very clear message to her, telling that he knows who she is and even calling her name! Lol! It would make things a lot easier for us... :p
 
Renata said:
And, like I said, dreams are blurry, mixed images... Maybe he didn't really see her, it was more like sensing her.. Do know what I mean?
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Maybe he could have seen it perfectly in his dreams. The inspiration may have come to him through a dream. That is very possible. If dreams are blurry, several images, I think it depends on the state of mind of the person, if it is a good or bad time in your life, that there are actually people who can see perfectly what happens in the dream or can not see or understand anything or simply do not remember any of that dream, I do not know if the state of mind influences the dream.​
 
^ Yeah, some dreams are more realistic... But tell me.. would you be able to remember clearly the details of a face that you dreamed of but that you never saw?

Most of the times we dream with people we know, so it's ease to remember each little detail of their faces, but it's because our memory of these faces is working together with the recollections of the dream...

I don't know.. But I do hope Michael can recognize this girl as soon as they meet, because the two of them may be going through hard times apart and I'm sure they deserve to be happy and enjoy eachother company. :)
 
Renata said:
I understand what you're saying, SOS, and I agree with you...

But I was thinking in case Michael didn't meet her in real world, only in dreams.. And, like I said, dreams are blurry, mixed images... Maybe he didn't really see her, it was more like sensing her.. Do know what I mean?

I don't know... I think it's better Michael release a new single with a very clear message to her, telling that he knows who she is and even calling her name! Lol! It would make things a lot easier for us... :p
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Yes and for "her" because if I were "her" it would be driving me stark raving mad :lol:

Can you imagine? You 'see' someone you love. You may even 'feel' they need you but you have no idea. His songs make refence to letters, so ok let's say you write them a letter. If he didn't write back you feel they don't love you back. Then they (as AllforMJ pointed out) make attempts at meeting with you but YOU DON'T KNOW.

You later find your story with them played out in song, but you also realize that he's actually known a whole lot more women, a lot better than he knows you so you figure maybe its only a song.

I've come to believe that those times when we can't understand a single word MJ is saying, :giggle: he has some names or A name thrown in there under the beats and buried in adlibs ...

...subliminal seduction :wild:

or subliminal blessin' out if you listen closely to certain songs


:giggle: Lawd ....
 
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queen g said:
Now MimiK, for example, has spoken a few times of "a love so old" and has started their list of songs entitled "Love Story" with songs dated as early as 1977. So this is suggesting that at least MimiK thinks the lady friend came into the picture way back then. Which would make it very amazing if MJ had some real life encounter with this girl at that point...and then there after, only had dreamlike experiences with her...or met her like you were saying, back then first in a dream, then ...later saw her? And had a deep "knowing" that is was "her!"
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I know what you mean. I also keep reading that the love is "old." That really threw me off a bit. The very first line of the "Love Story" is, "Looking in my mirror took me by surprise." That's a very unusual way to "meet" someone, if that's what's being implied. It's like he's saying he saw her image instead of his or something. And there's that whole dream-state type thing going on again. Well, this is after all, MJ we're talking about here! Gotta love him!:lol:
 
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Renata said:
^ Yeah, some dreams are more realistic... But tell me.. would you be able to remember clearly the details of a face that you dreamed of but that you never saw?

Most of the times we dream with people we know, so it's ease to remember each little detail of their faces, but it's because our memory of these faces is working together with the recollections of the dream...

I don't know.. But I do hope Michael can recognize this girl as soon as they meet, because the two of them may be going through hard times apart and I'm sure they deserve to be happy and enjoy eachother company. :)
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:wub::cheers:
 
:lol:

Great way to fall in love with someone...just meet them in the mirror :lol:
 
MysteriousPhoenix said:
I know what you mean. I also keep reading that the love is "old." That really threw me off a bit. The very first line of the "Love Story" is, "Looking in my mirror took me by surprise." That's a very unusual way to "meet" someone, if that's what's being implied. It's like he's saying he saw her image instead of his or something. And there's that whole dream-state type thing going on again. Well, this is after all, MJ we're talking about here! Gotta love him!:lol:
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What if, looking to himself in the mirror, Michael could see her in his eyes?

Ok, it sounds a little strange. But think.. if the eyes are windows to our souls and if their souls belong together, then maybe he saw her in his eyes, through a mirror.
 
Renata said:
Ok, it sounds a little strange. But think.. if the eyes are windows to our souls and if their souls belong together, then maybe he saw her in his eyes, through a mirror.
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Good theory there renata
 
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Ok, it sounds a little strange. But think.. if the eyes are windows to our souls and if their souls belong together, then maybe he saw her in his eyes, through a mirror.
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exactly

When you look in the mirror you see your own soul. When you look in the eyes of someone who shares that same soul source, you see yourself. Could be a little unsettling too ... even though we're all connected, its not everyone you look at and see your personal self.

OMG I just had another epiphany. What if this "running away" that "she" has been doing wasn't running from him at all but running from herself!

If we're onto something and God is showing him her character as queen_g suggested then hopefully he would be merciful to understand they share many of the same strengths and weaknesses lol just played out in different ways. That's what happens with soul mates. They are different people and yet and still 'the same'.

NOT that I'm saying he's running from himself in a different way, just that even if he didn't run from her ... something stopped him knocking on her door since 19 ...whenever. I know of fans he has grabbed, kissed, visited, written letters to and mailed them etc.

"she" he meets in song alone ...
 
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^ Good theory...

Maybe they're searching for themselves and, when they finally meet eachother, they will find their inner selves..

And also they may feel kinda the same way... Kinda lonely, like one part of them was missing, because their hearts belong together but they are apart and this must hurt a lot!
 
Renata said:
^ Good theory...

Maybe they're searching for themselves and, when they finally meet eachother, they will find their inner selves..

And also they may feel kinda the same way... Kinda lonely, like one part of them was missing, because their hearts belong together but they are apart and this must hurt a lot!
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^ could explain how a person could feel, or be, 'incomplete', even when everything else is in place, something would feel like its 'missing'. That's what makes life so lonely. Especially for people who have trouble feeling they 'belong' or finding their 'place' in the world. Its not a crime to be lost that way. Its kinda sad though.
 
^ Maybe when someone doesn't find his place in this world it is because his place is in someone's heart...

Oh boy, I get poetic when I'm sleepy! Lol
 
Renata said:
I understand what you're saying, SOS, and I agree with you...

But I was thinking in case Michael didn't meet her in real world, only in dreams.. And, like I said, dreams are blurry, mixed images... Maybe he didn't really see her, it was more like sensing her.. Do know what I mean?

I don't know... I think it's better Michael release a new single with a very clear message to her, telling that he knows who she is and even calling her name! Lol! It would make things a lot easier for us... :p
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I know what you mean. Now to add another idea into this; what if her images were also blurry? What if, like you say, they meet in a dream world or something like that somehow, and both of them have blurred faces of each other so don't know the face. The faces get forgotten though the feeling of the other is not forgotten and is still strong. So she wouldn't know it was Michael Jackson either, in her dreams, like he wouldn't know who he was looking for.

Just imagine that for a minute as if it were you. You dream of this man, and you wake up knowing you just met your soul mate, but you have no name or face to recognize them by, just the spirit, the soul. You know him so well "with a tender touch you know so well". You would know his touch, his thoughts, his spirit, but not his face. You dream of him various times throughout your childhood till young adulthood where you have a harder time believing in such things. In the daylight hours you may discredit the whole experience even though it burns so strongly within you. Every part of you, except your practical realistic side, says it was real. So eventually you brush it off as just a dream, but so real a dream. You try to forget it because it doesn't make sense. It doesn't follow science or rational thinking, but you can never quite forget it. In fact you never feel the way you had in person with another how you had felt with him in your dreams though you search for that feeling in someone. You felt more real in the dream than you do in real life. So that memory gets stored away and you live your life.

Then one day, maybe you meet someone through some chance meeting, not face to face...say... hmm...say you are a telemarketer or something and you get talking to someone on the phone, and you click with them instantly. Somehow you keep in touch through the telephone or other ways other than face to face, and you grow to know them and the feeling you had in your dream comes back to you while you are with them (on phone or letters or email or something other than in person). You don't immediately recognize the feeling but you take notice.. and eventually you remember your dream. You remember the feeling in your dream and you recognize that feeling from when you talk with this person on the phone. Then you wonder if maybe there is a connection to the two. You wonder if maybe it could be the one you dreamt of so many years ago and tried to forget and brush off as a silly childhood fantasy. So without having seen them, you could feel as if you know them. Probably you would be anxious to see them face to face to see if maybe something clicks even stronger in person so that you could know if this person is who you felt you knew so well from your dreams.

Would that be possible? Could it just be that the dream they had was their ideal and how they wanted to feel when in love, and when they found someone who was all that they felt they had been looking for, those feelings resurfaced and it isn't supernatural at all? Just a way to recognize someone who suits you? Or could it be more?

Just some thoughts.

(I didn't have it as Michael Jackson in this example necessarily, but just how I could see something like this happening. If it were Michael Jackson in this example then something like this could happen without her even knowing still that it is Michael Jackson on the other end of the phone. An outrageous idea yes, but it'd be romantic, and it's just thoughts.)
 
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