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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Michael doesn't always need to have the husk, does he? Personally, I hear it in Breaking News and Monster.
 
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Arklove said:
I haven't heard any of these 'early' versions, love is magical, where have you heard them? For me, as it stands, Stay and Monster are as fake as it gets, just like the rest of the Cascio tracks we've heard.

EDIT: I may have heard an early version of 'Monster', awhile ago when the snippet leaked, but it sounded the same to me as on the album...Which is why I avoided hearing the entire song until the album came out because I was so disturbed...
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I found the links to download the early version in Max Jax, Treble section.

There are seven songs in the rar file.

1. Blue Gangsta
2. 12 O'Clock
3. Carry On
4. All I Need
5. Monster
6. Much Too Soo
7. Love Never Felt So Good

Even if you don't care about the Cascio tracks, still donwload it for LNFSG and 12 O'Clock (DYKWYCA). The songs are in better quality than in prior leaks.

Monster and Carry On (aks Stay) sound much slower and the vocals are less manipulated.
 
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love is magical said:
I found the links to download the early version in Max Jax, Treble section.

There are seven songs in the rar file.

1. Blue Gangsta
2. 12 O'Clock
3. Carry On
4. All I Need
5. Monster
6. Much Too Soo
7. Love Never Felt So Good

Even if you don't care about the Cascio tracks, still donwload it for LNFSG and 12 O'Clock (DYKWYCA). The songs are in better quality than in prior leaks.

Monster and Carry On (aks Stay) sound much slower and the vocals are less manipulated.
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ah, ok, thanks :)...Well, I can't download anything right now as I'm at work...But, I'll take a listen when I get home...

EDIT: these are all full versions? I think I had this rar file at one point a while ago...They sounded the same to me...
 
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love is magical said:
Lol... we love this thread, aren't we?

Okay... so, let's get back on topic. Has anyone here heard the early version of Monster and Stay?

Any thought?
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What early version of stay?
 
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By the way, listening to Don't Walk Away again by Jason Malachi... paying close attention to the vibrato. The vibrato is not shaky at all. He doesn't have that bad of a vibrato. The Cascio tracks have, like I said, an almost inhuman vibrato sound to them.

The reason why I think some of the Cascio/Malachi comparison videos work is because they're comparing similar notes that Malachi has done in his songs (the Critical example), and so it will of course sound strikingly similar.

Something always tells me that if Jason Malachi were to sing these songs he'd do much better with them. He is capable of doing such a better vibrato than what is in these songs, as shown in much of his work. The same goes for Michael, of course. This leads me to believe that the vocals were tampered with, especially at the end of lines in the songs.

Listening to an early version of Monster, you can definitely hear that it's slower and that there are volume issues on several ends of lines. It seems to me like lines were extended and possibly processed in an experimental way.. I mean, really, how many times are projects like these done? How many times do artists die and people work with really rough demos to try and make a polished ahem-MICHAEL JACKSON album! Someone who is known for their perfectionism and everything brilliant. It's something we've never heard before!

Keep this in mind, too, all the previous demos of songs like In The Back, Beautiful Girl, etc. Those are all approved to be released by Michael. He obviously wasn't upset with his vocal performance on these songs or he wouldn't have worked on them and included them on a studio release while he was alive. Just a thought.
 
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How do you actually use .rar files? I don't know what to do with them.
 
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Jesta said:
How do you actually use .rar files? I don't know what to do with them.
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Once you download them, you have to right click and 'extract' them to a useable file/folder
 
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OK, thanks!!! I've never used .rar files, so now I can finally download all the stuff I never was able to!!!
 
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Make sure you have a copy of winrar installed or something similar.

www.rarlabs.com
 
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Jesta said:
OK, thanks!!! I've never used .rar files, so now I can finally download all the stuff I never was able to!!!
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Enjoy downloading now!

There tons of rar files you can download, especially the HIStory tour in different cities. I have Seoul, Helsinki, Copenhagen, Bucharest, Sydney, Aukland, Munich. All are downloaded rar files.
 
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love is magical said:
It's called Carry On in the early version. Compare to the leak of Stay, Carry on seems to be slower and less processed.
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Actually they sound the same to me.They come from the same source(tak).
 
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Dorian said:
Actually they sound the same to me.They come from the same source(tak).
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Yeah, that's what I thought...It was this 'tak' person that leaked this entire file a while ago...I had downloaded it...They all sound the same to me...Stuck out like a sore thumb when sandwiched between the real deal songs...
 
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Dorian said:
Actually they sound the same to me.They come from the same source(tak).
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Yeah 2 versions of this song didn't leak, only one but fans have renamed the files, perhaps the confusion has come from that?
 
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Someone also made a remix of Stay where there were Stranger in Moscow and Cry samples added to it. That might also add to the confusion.
 
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Worldwide said:
Yeah 2 versions of this song didn't leak, only one but fans have renamed the files, perhaps the confusion has come from that?
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Actually I think it's because of the bitrate difference.I think the first leak was 128kpbs and the 2nd one was 192kpbs.That may be...

Back on the tracks...we have to keep in mind that the tracks weren't finished.A lot of copy-paste all over the tracks.

I'm still thinking that `time is borrowed` in both KYHU and All I need is the same vocal,just that it's maipulated to sound different.Some of the lyrics doesn't make any sense in some of the songs.Maybe they were posted to `full` it?
 
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Dorian said:
Actually I think it's because of the bitrate difference.I think the first leak was 128kpbs and the 2nd one was 192kpbs.That may be...

Back on the tracks...we have to keep in mind that the tracks weren't finished.A lot of copy-paste all over the tracks.

I'm still thinking that `time is borrowed` in both KYHU and All I need is the same vocal,just that it's maipulated to sound different.Some of the lyrics doesn't make any sense in some of the songs.Maybe they were posted to `full` it?
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Or maybe MJ just re-used the same lyric? If they did use the same exact vocal, they used melodyne to manipulate how it would sound
 
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Dorian said:
Actually I think it's because of the bitrate difference.I think the first leak was 128kpbs and the 2nd one was 192kpbs.That may be...

Back on the tracks...we have to keep in mind that the tracks weren't finished.A lot of copy-paste all over the tracks.

I'm still thinking that `time is borrowed` in both KYHU and All I need is the same vocal,just that it's maipulated to sound different.Some of the lyrics doesn't make any sense in some of the songs.Maybe they were posted to `full` it?
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I don't have enough knowledge to understand what bitrate difference is. However, the leak of Stay that I own sounds speed up.

As for Monster, the album version is definitely speed up. I have no doubt about it.
 
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I don't know.Maybe it was re-recorded.This is just a theory.Many people say that `ahh how could he complete 12 songs at the Cascios in 4 months?`.Well he didn't,this explains the major copy-paste in Breaking News (very noticeable),Monster (so and so) and KYHU (only some of the verses).Even Stay has major copy-paste all over it.So apart from All I Need and KYHU the other songs don't have the chorus sung...pretty weird

@love is magical

the difference of bitrate means difference of sound quality/cut of some sound frequences.

As for Monster,yes you are right,it IS speed up
 
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Dorian said:
Actually I think it's because of the bitrate difference.I think the first leak was 128kpbs and the 2nd one was 192kpbs.That may be...

Back on the tracks...we have to keep in mind that the tracks weren't finished.A lot of copy-paste all over the tracks.

I'm still thinking that `time is borrowed` in both KYHU and All I need is the same vocal,just that it's maipulated to sound different.Some of the lyrics doesn't make any sense in some of the songs.Maybe they were posted to `full` it?
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Possibly... I feel they are two separate lines, though, just possibly something Michael felt, or the writer felt. That often happens with writing, a common theme is shared especially throughout an album. I agree with you, though, that the lyrics don't make sense in a couple of songs. Interesting that these songs seem to be crammed full of double meanings and interesting vocabulary.

"Girl I'm writing you this letter just to say goodbye / I'll be standing in the rain in case you change your mind"

"He's a monster"

The working two jobs in a restaurant night and day example,

All I Need shifting suddenly from honoring heroes to a love song (Whatever happened to our heroes / You are all I need in my life)

To name a few odd things...
 
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Aniram said:
Possibly... I feel they are two separate lines, though, just possibly something Michael felt, or the writer felt. That often happens with writing, a common theme is shared especially throughout an album. I agree with you, though, that the lyrics don't make sense in a couple of songs. Interesting that these songs seem to be crammed full of double meanings and interesting vocabulary.

"Girl I'm writing you this letter just to say goodbye / I'll be standing in the rain in case you change your mind"

"He's a monster"

The working two jobs in a restaurant night and day example,

All I Need shifting suddenly from honoring heroes to a love song (Whatever happened to our heroes / You are all I need in my life)

To name a few odd things...
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Yep.That's actually what I was pointing out.We can see that they didn't have enough material to finish one full song (Breaking news has more bg vocals than the lead vocals).Maybe they combined some of the lines from the other songs?

I mean...breaking news...fall in love...???

Also in BN you can see that the words are from separate sentences You Keep On Breaking The News or something like this...
 
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love is magical said:
Lol... we love this thread, aren't we?

Okay... so, let's get back on topic. Has anyone here heard the early version of Monster and Stay?

Any thought?
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Link?
 
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@Dorian: I agree. If they faked these songs with Jason Malachi or an impersonator, do you really think they'd need to butcher sentences apart like this? Wouldn't he be able to flow through a line or two at least? See, I think that's what a lot of the 'doubters' hear right away, it's that odd production style that's not used in most music... Like I said, how many times do people take rough demos of a deceased artist and transform them into a final product without having to do some serious work?
 
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Aniram said:
@Dorian: I agree. If they faked these songs with Jason Malachi or an impersonator, do you really think they'd need to butcher sentences apart like this? Wouldn't he be able to flow through a line or two at least? See, I think that's what a lot of the 'doubters' hear right away, it's that odd production style that's not used in most music... Like I said, how many times do people take rough demos of a deceased artist and transform them into a final product without having to do some serious work?
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Indeed.That's what I was also pointing out.If they hired someone they could've done 5927592752543726578364589346412384629534583659643264 takes to make the song sound better,with different tonalities,adlibs and not so much copy paste.Not to forget to make it sound more like Michael.I guess they didn't want to get discovered lol :D
 
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Dorian said:
Also in BN you can see that the words are from separate sentences You Keep On Breaking The News or something like this...
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They just chopped that up, those words aren't from different sentences.
 
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Aniram said:
@Dorian: I agree. If they faked these songs with Jason Malachi or an impersonator, do you really think they'd need to butcher sentences apart like this? Wouldn't he be able to flow through a line or two at least? See, I think that's what a lot of the 'doubters' hear right away, it's that odd production style that's not used in most music... Like I said, how many times do people take rough demos of a deceased artist and transform them into a final product without having to do some serious work?
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Well when I first heard that part I actually thought it was more fake than real. I find it odd that even the breaths have to be cut-pasted. These could be "incomplete" demos sung by an impersonator. Maybe the Cascios were experimenting with their friend Malachi about singing these songs, but they didn't finish all of them completely.
 
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