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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:

Imagine they'd do this to Elvis too, or 2Pac or....well you name any artist....fans would be outraged just as much. Or when they put artists on 2Pac songs after his death, artists that Pac beefed with, had arguments with.

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I know. It's like me painting a picture and convincing the world that it was painted by Picasso. As if people who are aware of his work and his style are going to fall for it. And it's getting on my nerves when fans try to make us feel guilty because we're angry about it. You put an impersonator on a track and try to pass him off as Michael, and put him on an album that is considered a MICHAEL JACKSON album, and we, who WANT to protect his legacy and keep his legacy alive, we are the ones who are expected to sit there and do nothing about it? I have a right to be pissed off about this. I'm tired of Michael getting screwed over, and it's ONLY Michael that they would dare do this with. No one else. JUST MICHAEL. My anger is justified. It's HIS legacy that suffers. If any of these cascio songs are bad songs in any way, MICHAEL is the one that's going to get the blame for it. MICHAEL is the man that's going to get crap for it. Can you imagine the trash that Michael would get for "his" voice sounding weak and struggling to hit notes because an impersonator is putting more effort into trying to sound like Michael then he is in singing the song well? How is it fair to Michael that he gets criticised for someone else's vocals?

Sony should just take the Cascio tracks off the album, and replace them with something else. Since Gaz has contacts with the estate, they could just let him go over and preview all the tracks to ensure that they're authentic, because these "forensic audiologists" they have over there obviously don't have ears.

Sorry about ranting but I'm just fed up. I will support the entire album if they take the fake tracks off. I WANT it to succeed and I want MJ on top of the charts once again. I just hope they do what's right and stop trying to fool us. We fans have been listening to MJ for as long as we can remember. We know his voice.

long live fake jackson street.

We've got some half faked mj
And miles and miles of hear and say
TV's, deep freeze and fake michael jackson lp's
adlib's his or not, don't know,who care's
backing vocals at a push, could this be a dodgy mj album from a mush in sheperds
bush bush bush bush,

No income tax, no VAT
No money back, no guarantee
Black or white, rich or broke
We'll cut prices at a stroke

long live fake jackson street
Viva fake jackson Street
Long live fake jackson Street
C'est magnifique fake jackson Street
Magnifique fake jackson Street


lol...gotta make a joke..


seriously though I really dont know what to think...him or not? i'm not sure.

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I feel something is "off" with the track, absoulutely.. Something isn't right. But the singing which is most obvious - I can't say if it's another person has filled in or if it's just technically ingeneered in an experimental way. Also it's very much layerd and that is brought together into it's completed version by someone else than MJ.

Second, I absolutley think it's a MJ-track used. I hear him both in the music and in the back vocals and in some of the singing. But it's clear that it wasn't completed like with many other demos. And also, like with many other demos, the lyrics aren't finnished. Please don't missread me because I consider MJ a complete poetical genius, but many times the lyrics on his demos aren't even finnished but filled out with sound (like "la-da-dt-da") and usually the finnished lyrics are much better than the one's on the demo. Clear to be heard on Billie Jean and We Are The World for instance.

The feeling is that something's wrong with this track and I don't FEEL him as much as otherwise, but if that is "only" because for the first time in HIStory because of the horrible developments of last summer other people finnished up his work by remixing it into a radio hit type of song out of a unfinnished demo; or because they actually brought in others faking him on some of the singing.. I don't know.

It makes me sad even having to guess though and I don't get why they couldn't just have released it for what it was - unfinnished demos giving us a glimpse into the mind of a master at work. A genius who we miss so badly.

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m26uk
you're sorta spamming the forums with your threads as you post so many lol

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SIDEWALK said:

m26uk
you're sorta spamming the forums with your threads as you post so many lol

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tbh i hardly post i'm just caught up i this bn drama...... wish it would resolve though cause although i love mj theres more important things goin on in the world ya know.

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deebee09 said:

Well then... if the Sony Execs think it's good the fact that "it shouldn't get any worse than this", LET'S GIVE IT TO THEM, LET'S GIVE SOMETHING WORSE TO THEM. WE AS FANS NEED TO DO SOMETHING. Can't you see? they're actually relieved that all of this is working on their favour, they're using it to their advantage, as publicity, and they think they can get away with it. Ruinning Michael's amazing and pure legacy.

WE NEED TO STAND UP!

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I think he was referring to the complete lack of MJ singing but I agree with you. What can we do to stop these fake songs tarnishing MJ's perfect legacy of music?

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If only a few tracks on the album are MJ only i'm just gonna download those tracks on itunes.

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I just think this whole thing is absolutely bizarre. I keep trying to get my head around it and it just doesn't make any sense. I am really hoping this is a big publicity stunt designed to get a huge amount of attention and then bam the real track and first single is announced.

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Idea, maybe we could arrange for Jeremy Kyle to do a lie detector test!? That way all the people who annoyingly say things like 'I'm 73.2% sure it is/its not MJ' will fit right in with his show.

This sh*t's getting stupid now

"Breaking News" Fake Song Talk Here Including Poll

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Listen to the first 5 seconds...

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So what is the newest? Is it really MJ or what?

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BUMPER SNIPPET said:

Now this kind of comment is constructive!

Can we keep on having such comments please? Be it one way or the other, can we have a real debate with such insights, everybody?

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Advanced voice and pitch correction software..for example Auto-Tune and Melodyne allows you to change the pitch, timing, phrasing (to a certain extent if you know what you are doing)...also you can cut up vocals to the finest degree and do all those neat little tricks that i just mentioned as if they were individual files.

The imposters vocal speed and velocity are also telling points. Michael can not only sing pitch perfect but can also pronounce and deliver with accuracy, speed and varying vocal volume to add emotion to words or even a syabble. With rough demos he likes to get the musical idea out clean and often mumbles or hums lyrics. If the full lyrics are down, Michael can nail the vocals with one take.

Proof of this is reports from Bill Bottrell stating that the take for 'Black Or White' was a one or two take job and most the hassle was with the instrumentation and overall production. 'Fall Again' demo was one take.
Childhood and Smile were recorded with live orchestration which is almost imposssible to do....you have to have the phrasing and timing so tight, most singers are hopeless without a drum or rhythm track behind them.


No one is better at the mic than mike.

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May I add myself on this one.
I'm gonna make it very extensive and detailed so that you all can understand this perfectly:

Daniel.San said:

I have been employed by Universal Music in Sydney for only a short while (July 2010) and have an Advanced Diploma in Audio Engineering which I obtained from SAE College, also in Sydney in 2007.

From my experience, the whole "make up" of the voice is different. It's not comparable to songs like 2000 Watts or Privacy, as some people claim - as the vocals in these tracks are unmistakably Michael. His pronunciation, vibrato and character behind the words in these Invincible songs cannot be mimicked, not by another human nor machine.

You can process a vocal over and over again, change the pitch, tone and warp it in such a way he'd be no longer speaking English - but you cannot change a vocal in such a way that the entire make-up of the words sung is different, and the vibrato is pushed and extended to the point it's cheesy and SCREAMS of a fake. If they HAVE altered the song to the point it sounds like Jason Malachi or WHOEVER, release the original demo track and let us hear it and make up our minds.

Another thing to point out is when people claim that it's probably a poorly sung track by Michael, given that it was an unfinished demo. The easiest way to debunk this would be to listen to the parts where the song changes from falsetto and becomes more gravelly. There is obvious points in the song, including the over the top vibrato where there is a terrible amount of effort being put into sounding particularly "Michaelish". It's this PUSH that is the game breaker for me.

The biggest telling point will be when the entire album is released, and the Cascio tracks will be side-by-side with other tracks sourced from Michael's vault.

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Even though I haven't studied anywhere particularly, I think I can help here. I'm an artist myself (a musician), I don't do POP music like Michael did. I'm a Dancehall Reggae (with some RnB too) artist. I spend most of my time at recording studios, either recording my songs or mixing/mastering my tracks with producers and engineers.

I've read a lot of misleading information on the boards (not only here, actually I've been on a lot of MJ dedicated forums lately, but particularly on MJHideout). A lot of people seem to think Auto-Tune is a "person-exchanger" (does that even exist?) effect. There are two ways of using Auto-Tune, and neither can make you sound like a whole different person. The way you can use Auto-tune for (the plugin was actually concived to be use this way) is to correct vocals singing out of tune (hence, out-of-tune auto-tune), minor flaws and defects of vocal takes which would have been amazing otherwise (I mean, if there hadn't been any performance issues at the moment of recording). You may be wondering: How can a vocal recording be amazing if there are certain parts out of key? Well, the energy might be perfect, the dictation and pronnunciation might be spot on, even the intention the artist put when he/she sung it can be great. And sometimes you can't reproduce that SAME EXACT take twice, so there's nothing left to do but to use techonlogy to get it right, and honestly I don't think there's anything wrong with it. BELIEVE ME, most of your favourite artists (of ANY genre) and most of your favourite songs (of ANY genre) wouldnt exist if it wasnt for technology and auto-tune used the right way.

The other way of using Auto-Tune is actually... abusing of it. When you take the Plugin's setting to an extreme, giving a certain Scale, it'll robotize the sound, and make it all jumpy, like you can appreciate in most RnB/Hip-Hop songs lately. The so called T-Pain effect.

As "Daniel.San" said on his post, there's NO plugin, no editing possible, to change the Vocal Registry, and/or the Pronnunciation of a human being. You CAN make a voice sounds bassier, or alter the pitch to go higher or lower, you can do a lot of things, but what you can't do is make it sound like a different human being.
That's why certain impersonators (Youtube for Marcus Joseph) sing ALMOST, JUST LIKE, Michael Jackson when they perform one of Michael's songs, but they CAN NOT achieve the same amount of perfection and similarity when they have to sing something of their own production or from some other artist besides MJ.

Please, don't automatically assign any strange side effects to technology or to editing technics, or plugins. Up until now, there are still limits as to where a human being can go with technology, and what they can do with it. Up until now, we cannot sound exactly like somebody else. So, if you hear someone that 'sounds like.......' but you still hear differences, even if they're tini tiny differences, then TRUST your ears, they won't lie to you, but Sony will.

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Maybe I missed something, can somebody update me? Why do people think the Breaking News that's streaming currently is different than the one from Monday? Is something someone noticed or did someone report this? I have recorded both versions and I don't notice a difference.

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Add the 'whoo!' in 'Breaking News' is from 'You Rock My World'
That's why i always have to have you here.......Whoo!

Also the other aow! in the song is from 'Another Part Of Me'

Teddy Riley said that he added previous parts to the songs from the times he worked with him...............interesting, he didn't work on either track listed above.

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These are perfect examples of everything I stated in my previous post about the use of editing technics, plugins, autotune, etc. Please read that post from me.
If you want to, I'll make a new thread so we (people who work with audio, or people who study these kind of things) can inform the whole board better. We need to stop this misleading information, because otherwise Sony can spread their lies easily among people who ignore all these things.

giddyup87 said:

Advanced voice and pitch correction software..for example Auto-Tune and Melodyne allows you to change the pitch, timing, phrasing (to a certain extent if you know what you are doing)...also you can cut up vocals to the finest degree and do all those neat little tricks that i just mentioned as if they were individual files.

The imposters vocal speed and velocity are also telling points. Michael can not only sing pitch perfect but can also pronounce and deliver with accuracy, speed and varying vocal volume to add emotion to words or even a syabble. With rough demos he likes to get the musical idea out clean and often mumbles or hums lyrics. If the full lyrics are down, Michael can nail the vocals with one take.

Proof of this is reports from Bill Bottrell stating that the take for 'Black Or White' was a one or two take job and most the hassle was with the instrumentation and overall production. 'Fall Again' demo was one take.
Childhood and Smile were recorded with live orchestration which is almost imposssible to do....you have to have the phrasing and timing so tight, most singers are hopeless without a drum or rhythm track behind them.


No one is better at the mic than mike.

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Michael Skywalker said:

I feel something is "off" with the track, absoulutely.. Something isn't right. But the singing which is most obvious - I can't say if it's another person has filled in or if it's just technically ingeneered in an experimental way. Also it's very much layerd and that is brought together into it's completed version by someone else than MJ.

Second, I absolutley think it's a MJ-track used. I hear him both in the music and in the back vocals and in some of the singing. But it's clear that it wasn't completed like with many other demos. And also, like with many other demos, the lyrics aren't finnished. Please don't missread me because I consider MJ a complete poetical genius, but many times the lyrics on his demos aren't even finnished but filled out with sound (like "la-da-dt-da") and usually the finnished lyrics are much better than the one's on the demo. Clear to be heard on Billie Jean and We Are The World for instance.

The feeling is that something's wrong with this track and I don't FEEL him as much as otherwise, but if that is "only" because for the first time in HIStory because of the horrible developments of last summer other people finnished up his work by remixing it into a radio hit type of song out of a unfinnished demo; or because they actually brought in others faking him on some of the singing.. I don't know.

It makes me sad even having to guess though and I don't get why they couldn't just have released it for what it was - unfinnished demos giving us a glimpse into the mind of a master at work. A genius who we miss so badly.

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Excellent post deebee. Thanks for that. I don't have any expertise but i have two good ears and an instinct that tells me this is not MJ. My 12 year old son detected a hint of an Engliah accent in the first few lines of the song. the way 'Michael' pronounces 'michael jackson' is just not right.

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azsummergirl said:

IF this is all a game, or some incredible viral marketing strategy, i can't say i've ever been more addicted to the internet and constantly refreshing and listening and RE-listening. i would be furious if they were just playing with us--but also kind of relieved. they're either REALLY really stupid or evil geniuses. i'm going with stupid . . .

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Yeah, unfortunately, that's what I'm going with too at this point. Really really stupid. But I still have hope. It may be small, but it's something.

Omg, I haven't been online for 14 hours and am so far behind in this thread again... going back 30 pages to catch up... :smilerolleyes:

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That's shocking...

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Chris_Jones said:

Idea, maybe we could arrange for Jeremy Kyle to do a lie detector test!? That way all the people who annoyingly say things like 'I'm 73.2% sure it is/its not MJ' will fit right in with his show.

This sh*t's getting stupid now

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It's been stupid for three days now.People shouting at one another, insults , all this is just going round in circles.

Just let people believe what they want to believe & respect that.If people don't want to buy the album, fine.If people want to buy the album, fine.Just let it be when it comes to each other. I am a member of a few forums & I have to say, I have never seen anything like this! It's pretty disgraceful behaviour really.I have never, ever seen such utter lack of respect in my life.At the moment I feel ashamed to be a member of this board the way things of gone!

It's a shame as it used to be such a nice place to come to.

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Chris_Jones said:

Idea, maybe we could arrange for Jeremy Kyle to do a lie detector test!? That way all the people who annoyingly say things like 'I'm 73.2% sure it is/its not MJ' will fit right in with his show.

This sh*t's getting stupid now

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Well people truly believe it. So they would pass the lie detector test.

Now if people in charge of the album at Sony did a lie detector test.........:smilerolleyes:

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mjbunny said:

Yeah, unfortunately, that's what I'm going with too at this point. Really really stupid. But I still have hope. It may be small, but it's something.

Omg, I haven't been online for 14 hours and am so far behind in this thread again... going back 30 pages to catch up... :smilerolleyes:

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Same shit, different day.The bickering continues....

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@electrickeyez... there was a short moment last night when the breaking news video on MJ.com wasn't working. Some claim that after it began working again it sounded different. So that's basically what happened. I suppose some believe that Sony altered the track in some way and re-upload it.

btw, great post DeeBee

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It's a proper copy and paste hatchet job.

How on earth they thought they'd get away with it is beyond me.

Surely to God they can't go ahead and release this on the new album?

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mjbunny said:

Yeah, unfortunately, that's what I'm going with too at this point. Really really stupid. But I still have hope. It may be small, but it's something.

Omg, I haven't been online for 14 hours and am so far behind in this thread again... going back 30 pages to catch up... :smilerolleyes:

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Girl, don't bother! I'm telling you, all you missed is some people going 'It is Michael! Stop being mean!' and then others (me) going *bangs head on table*. :bugeyed

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i hate this sooo much. remember how ecstatic this place was just a few days ago. i don't even feel like coming on here that much now cos it just depresses me...\
btw, has anyone seen any album promotion yet? i mean adverts, posters, anything?
haven't seen anything yet myself...but i guess there's still a while

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the first 5 secs are u talking about the oooooo bit?

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0o0jackie0o0 said:

i hate this sooo much. remember how ecstatic this place was just a few days ago. i don't even feel like coming on here that much now cos it just depresses me...\

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:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

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Yes, the "oh oh oh" bit. Copy and pasted and sped up.

Shameless.

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i cant believe it
can they really get away with this? :mellow: