Michael - The Official New Album - Out December 14th - General Discussion Thread

Which tracks are you most looking forward to hearing in full/Want on Album!

  • All I Need

    Votes: 13 14.0%
  • Carry On

    Votes: 16 17.2%
  • Breaking News

    Votes: 11 11.8%
  • Monster

    Votes: 13 14.0%
  • Much Too Soon

    Votes: 66 71.0%
  • Do You Know Where Your Children Are

    Votes: 68 73.1%
  • Another Day

    Votes: 76 81.7%
  • Hold My Hand

    Votes: 54 58.1%
  • A Place With No Name

    Votes: 65 69.9%
  • Love Never Felt So Good

    Votes: 34 36.6%
  • Blue Gangsta

    Votes: 57 61.3%

  • Total voters
    93
It must be that this is just a preview of the actual album, and we will no doubt hear many more soundalike songs which will appear on the album over the next few weeks leading up to the release date, when we actually get the cd release it will all be MJ singing no doubt, sony are releasing these soundalike versions to protect the actual cd and piracy!
 
monochrome...

Thank you. You speak the truth. Sony would be having massive internal issues right now. It's not like the entire Sony HQ was on lockdown with a "lips sealed" clause written into their contracts in regards to fake MJ tracks.
 
it looks like it's slowly sinking in to everybody that sony is pulling a stunt here.

for those who do not see the motives and mechanisms: michael jackson's musical heritage is probably the most valuable content of any single singer and sony music paid a lot of money for it. but there is one BIG PROBLEM: what they have is tons of fragments, vocal takes, and demos, hundreads of those. probably much more than ready to release tracks that were polished back then by michael himself. so what goes on in sony's mind is this: if we manage to somehow manage to put those musical fragments together, we can make far more money. it's basically like a drug dealer that is stretching the dope by mixing in a substitute. and this method is being done especially on the upcoming record because they want to profit from the power it carries by being "michael's last recordings". unfortunately michael's last recordings are very sketchy. a track done by michael shortly before he died has more selling potential than a track from 1992. i'm not saying that there aren't any great unrelaesed songs in the vaults. i'm sure that there is amazing stuff like "men in black" and others from the 90s and invincible recordings. but those are few compared to the mass of unfinished material and those will hopefully be out one day. but most likely on releases like invincible10 or other packages. if we are lucky they make up their mind to release an album of outtakes, combining works of his entire career.

But: we need to remember that the majority of sony employees is going through the same process of finding out just as we do. of course the decision to add an vocalist on the cascio rcordings has NOT been openly communicated. there is big drama going on behind sony's doors right now, all over the world.

i have not been a sony hater and i am aware of the fact that this had been the decison of very few executives. but that is sony's self-inflicted problem now.

i take this as the biggest scandal in the history of pop music ever and it needs to be dicussed. even if it does harm the sells of "michael". i hate to say it but i just hope that the big media outlets will pick this topic up and start to ask questions and thereby pressure sony so that they openly talk about their procedures.

if they want to mix and alter the stuff, ok, it's kinda fair for they bought the rights to it can use it for whatever purpose. i won't buy it but some of you might still enjoy it and be really happy with a catchy pop song. it's fair and up to the consumer. but what is not fair is LYING ABOUT IT.


I said it from day one: it's a test to see how much they are able to shove down people's throat. If they had succeeded all of a sudden hundreds of "new MJ tracks" would have mysteriously popped up and they could keep realeasing "new MJ albums" for decades. None of them up to MJ's level, of course, thus tainting his legacy.

Luckily the fans know better.

The next step should be a huge apology from Sony and cancel the album for now, until the scandal fades away a bit. Then they can start over again - but this time with more respect to MJ and his fans.
 
interesting theory Richard... "sony are releasing these soundalike versions to protect the actual cd and piracy!" time will tell... at least it's not boring on here! ;- )
 
If the album is released with the questionable songs, hopefully each will be available for individual download.Then we simply ignore those questionable tracks, download the ones which the family approve.Another way to let Sony what we think if indeed the tracks are fake.

F*** the family.. I don't care about them. There are over 200 unreleased songs and they choose to release the ones that are totally unfinished and add someone else over MJ voice - that is insane. It would be better if they released a Demo cd with title "Cascio sessions". They just want money so they finished original MJ Breaking News with some fake vocals.
On this first release should be just songs that MJ finished by himself (new tracks and Invincible outtakes) and tracks like Another day or will.i.am songs that are almost finished and the original producers can finish them without Michael. And if Michael didn't record vocals for some tracks they should not lie to us and use fake vocals.. they could use choir or background vocals by other people (NOT MJ sound-a likes). They can release these songs like In the back as demo version without MJ lead vocals and a remix version with MJ collaborators singing the lead (like Thriller 25; Akon, will.i.am...)
 
i take this as the biggest scandal in the history of pop music ever and it needs to be dicussed. even if it does harm the sells of "michael". i hate to say it but i just hope that the big media outlets will pick this topic up and start to ask questions and thereby pressure sony so that they openly talk about their procedures.

I agree. The media should be all over it but strangely they aren't! They only mention that Katherine questioned the authenticy of the songs. I haven't read anything about what a huge scandal it generated within the fan community.

If the Milli Vanili scandal was a huge one, why isn't this? It's a much much bigger scandal involving a much much bigger star. The media's silence is deafening. Again they are not doing their job. It seems they are only good at bashing innocent people.
 
Someone on another forum posted this:

BREAKING NEWS TAKEN OFF THE NEW MICHAEL JACKSON ALBUM

New York NY - On Monday 8th November www.michaeljackson.com streamed the song Breaking News which was originally intended to be included on the upcoming set of posthumous Michael Jackson recordings MICHAEL.

The origin of this track, along with two other tracks initially intended for inclusion on the album, came from a friend of Michael's based in New Jersey. Whilst we have complete confidence that the pair did collaborate on material in 2007, the decision has been made to cut these tracks from the albums tracklisting.

Final adjustments to the album are currently being made. The release of the first single from MICHAEL will be announced shortly.

No source yet...
 
I said it from day one: it's a test to see how much they are able to shove down people's throat. If they had succeeded all of a sudden hundreds of "new MJ tracks" would have mysteriously popped up and they could keep realeasing "new MJ albums" for decades. None of them up to MJ's level, of course, thus tainting his legacy.

Luckily the fans know better.

The next step should be a huge apology from Sony and cancel the album for now, until the scandal fades away a bit. Then they can start over again - but this time with more respect to MJ and his fans.

but do you think that it will really reach the public? i've been checking on non fan places and it looks like it's not really getting there. perezhilton for instance (which is relevant in terms of publicity) so far just said that bn is just a really bad song...

most of my friends had not heared about this discussion. it has not reached yet. last night i was thinking that sony closed down this site in order to limit the talk. they could have easily threatend the staff because of all the links to copyright owned by sony...

i i hope that more insiders with media weight will have the cuts to speak up.
 
My opinion - Breaking News has too many layers of the backing singer and Michael's voice has been edited way too much. Someone was also hired to fill in uncompleted parts. The ad libs are all MJ. Anyone agree?

I agree. The overwhelming falseness comes from background vocals + some words lines in the main.

I bet Mike was mumbling as usual in demos, skipping words, lines. So they thought they can fool people hiring an impersonator to fill those gaps and sing in the background, then putting up all that layering to hide everything in it.

Mike voice was altered too. To sound more like 'in studio' recording when in fact it was home recording.
 
but do you think that it will really reach the public? i've been checking on non fan places and it looks like it's not really getting there. perezhilton for instance (which is relevant in terms of publicity) so far just said that bn is just a really bad song...

most of my friends had not heared about this discussion. it has not reached yet. last night i was thinking that sony closed down this site in order to limit the talk. they could have easily threatend the staff because of all the links to copyright owned by sony...

i i hope that more insiders with media weight will have the cuts to speak up.

That's why fans need to pressure Sony to make it loud and clear that it's not MJ and if the song is bad it's not his fault! Or at least they should admit it's of dubious origin.
 
the only good thing about this, is tht every1 knows about the new mj album, sony need to hit this fast, and sort it. and promote it will all 100% mj tunes

even add xscape to the album etc

tht blows breaking news pants off
 
That's why fans need to pressure Sony to make it loud and clear that it's not MJ and if the song is bad it's not his fault! Or at least they should admit it's of dubious origin.

that's why i spend last night writing emails to sony music (any addresses i could find).
if you look at sony music's facebook, the site filled with hundreds of posts of complain about the song, even in other related topics. i did not see any praise regarding the song. easy to figure out why...
 
So McClain was right (I believe The Estate now 100%) and Teddy was lying to us (the fans)... we should not forget him that. I believe all Cascio/Riley tracks will be removed from the album and replaced with songs McClain did with help of different producers (maybe older tracks like LNFSG but MJ tracks). That is a good news... smooth_criminal05 please keep informing us.
 
If you demand "WE WANT SONGS 100% MICHAEL JACKSON VOCALS AND NOTHING ELSE!" then we will never get a new album or single ever again - you do understand that don't you!?

This will turn against Michael jackson - as these things always do - and people will be scepticle and lose interest in Michael.

People keep giving me this bull**** "they will always play Billie Jean etc", but I have to ask, WERE YOU AROUND IN THE DARK YEARS WHEN NO ONE WOULD TOUCH AN MJ TRACK?

Michael was just beginning to be remembered for his music again, and now this.

The fans are not happy because 'The Press' - who they are supposed to hate by the way - are not all over this story!? Don't worry, they will be. And when they do they will look Michael look like a mug again!

Well done to you "WE KNOW BETTER" brigade. Well done indeed!
 
I have never thought one day I would say this, but now I want Love never felt so good to be main single
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If you demand "WE WANT SONGS 100% MICHAEL JACKSON VOCALS AND NOTHING ELSE!" then we will never get a new album or single ever again - you do understand that don't you!?

This will turn against Michael jackson - as these things always do - and people will be scepticle and lose interest in Michael.

People keep giving me this bull**** "they will always play Billie Jean etc", but I have to ask, WERE YOU AROUND IN THE DARK YEARS WHEN NO ONE WOULD TOUCH AN MJ TRACK?

Michael was just beginning to be remembered for his music again, and now this.

The fans are not happy because 'The Press' - who they are supposed to hate by the way - are not all over this story!? Don't worry, they will be. And when they do they will look Michael look like a mug again!

Well done to you "WE KNOW BETTER" brigade. Well done indeed!

what this man is owed most is truth and justice. not record sales. he had those already.
 
If you demand "WE WANT SONGS 100% MICHAEL JACKSON VOCALS AND NOTHING ELSE!" then we will never get a new album or single ever again - you do understand that don't you!?

This will turn against Michael jackson - as these things always do - and people will be scepticle and lose interest in Michael.

People keep giving me this bull**** "they will always play Billie Jean etc", but I have to ask, WERE YOU AROUND IN THE DARK YEARS WHEN NO ONE WOULD TOUCH AN MJ TRACK?

Michael was just beginning to be remembered for his music again, and now this.

The fans are not happy because 'The Press' - who they are supposed to hate by the way - are not all over this story!? Don't worry, they will be. And when they do they will look Michael look like a mug again!

Well done to you "WE KNOW BETTER" brigade. Well done indeed!

So you'd rather enjoy Sony keep releasing horrible tracks under Michael Jacskon's name sung by a mediocre singer miming his voice? How is that supposed to keep his legacy alive? Just to make people laugh at him and say he totally lost it in his last years?
 
If you demand "WE WANT SONGS 100% MICHAEL JACKSON VOCALS AND NOTHING ELSE!" then we will never get a new album or single ever again - you do understand that don't you!?

This will turn against Michael jackson - as these things always do - and people will be scepticle and lose interest in Michael.

People keep giving me this bull**** "they will always play Billie Jean etc", but I have to ask, WERE YOU AROUND IN THE DARK YEARS WHEN NO ONE WOULD TOUCH AN MJ TRACK?

Michael was just beginning to be remembered for his music again, and now this.

The fans are not happy because 'The Press' - who they are supposed to hate by the way - are not all over this story!? Don't worry, they will be. And when they do they will look Michael look like a mug again!

Well done to you "WE KNOW BETTER" brigade. Well done indeed!

On this first release should be just songs that MJ finished by himself (new tracks and Invincible outtakes) and tracks like Another day or will.i.am songs that are almost finished and the original producers can finish them without Michael. And if Michael didn't record vocals for some tracks they should not lie to us and use fake vocals.. they could use choir or background vocals by other people (NOT MJ sound-a likes). They can release these songs like In the back as demo version without MJ lead vocals and a remix version with MJ collaborators singing the lead (like Thriller 25; Akon, will.i.am...)
 
On this first release should be just songs that MJ finished by himself (new tracks and Invincible outtakes) and tracks like Another day or will.i.am songs that are almost finished and the original producers can finish them without Michael. And if Michael didn't record vocals for some tracks they should not lie to us and use fake vocals.. they could use choir or background vocals by other people (NOT MJ sound-a likes). They can release these songs like In the back as demo version without MJ lead vocals and a remix version with MJ collaborators singing the lead (like Thriller 25; Akon, will.i.am...)

Yes, I agree.
I don't mind them to use background vocals from other artist, you might not like it but in the "This is It" track it is good with the brothers, if you here THE JACKSONS LIVE album they do it very well as they have the same tone when singing in some cases.

They can do this, but use another guy it's disgusting!! and Fraud. FBI hands on them, please!!!
 
Over the years of reading MJ forums, I have heard the following, time and time again;

"I don't like Invincible!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Michael lip-syncs too much!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Why does Michael not give us a new album!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Why doesn't Michael tour any more/come to my country!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Michael is being forced to do shows at the o2 an he doesn't want to!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"I want tickets for TII shows at the o2 - why can't I have them"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"I got my tickets for the o2 and there rubbish - I want better ones!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"The o2 shows have been delayed - it's a disgrace!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Michael has died and he was murdered by AEG/Sony - I want my money back!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"A 'This is it' film is being released - I'm boycotting it as he wouldn't want it!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Michael will not be shown on the TII film - they are using a 'double!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Why are my tickets for the TII movie so expensive?"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Why did Michael lip-sync so much in the movie!?"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"A new TII album is being released - I'm boycotting it as he wouldn't want it!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"When are we getting a new album with 'never heard before songs!?"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"This new album better not have HMH, Xscape, or Another Day on it - I have already heard them!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"This new unheard track is not 100% Michael!!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"I'm going to boycott the album -as I want HMH, Xscape, and Another day on it!!"
"Sony is the Devil!"

Sometimes I wonder if some 'hard-core' MJ fans are really a sandwich short of a picnic! You couldn't make some of this stuff up!

With fans like these Michael, who needs enemies!?
 
Over the years of reading MJ forums, I have heard the following, time and time again;

"I don't like Invincible!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Michael lip-syncs too much!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Why does Michael not give us a new album!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Why doesn't Michael tour any more/come to my country!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Michael is being forced to do shows at the o2 an he doesn't want to!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"I want tickets for TII shows at the o2 - why can't I have them"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"I got my tickets for the o2 and there rubbish - I want better ones!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"The o2 shows have been delayed - it's a disgrace!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Michael has died and he was murdered by AEG/Sony - I want my money back!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"A 'This is it' film is being released - I'm boycotting it as he wouldn't want it!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Michael will not be shown on the TII film - they are using a 'double!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Why are my tickets for the TII movie so expensive?"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"Why did Michael lip-sync so much in the movie!?"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"A new TII album is being released - I'm boycotting it as he wouldn't want it!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"When are we getting a new album with 'never heard before songs!?"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"This new album better not have HMH, Xscape, or Another Day on it - I have already heard them!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"This new unheard track is not 100% Michael!!"
"Sony is the Devil!"
"I'm going to boycott the album -as I want HMH, Xscape, and Another day on it!!"
"Sony is the Devil!"

Sometimes I wonder if some 'hard-core' MJ fans are really a sandwich short of a picnic! You couldn't make some of this stuff up!

With fans like these Michael, who needs enemies!?

I am really sorry for you my friend, really really sorry. I am not insulting you, I am just helping you and the fact is that you are stupid.
Sony is not the devil, Tommy Mottola was but nevermind because he is gone.
HMH, Xscape and AD are MJ songs and Breaking News is not (his song but MJ not singing)
Other things you've mentioned are irrelevant.
 
The comments I posted are not irrelevant, they go to show just how much some MJ fans love a drama, love to pick faults (even with MJ), think Sony are to blame for everything, and are never happy.

This latest instance is just that. Instead of most reasonable people going "I'm a little disappointed that there are not more MJ vocals, but I like the song and it's message", they are going "I WANT 100% MICHAEL VOCALS OR NOTHING AT ALL - THEREFORE THE SONG AND ALBUM ARE SH**". LET'S BURN COPIES OF THE ALBUM OUTSIDE SONY BUILDINGS ALL ACROSS THE WORLD!"

Never happy unless they are hating something or someone it seems!
 
The comments I posted are not irrelevant, they go to show just how much some MJ fans love a drama, love to pick faults (even with MJ), think Sony are to blame for everything, and are never happy.

This latest instance is just that. Instead of most reasonable people going "I'm a little disappointed that there are not more MJ vocals, but I like the song and it's message", they are going "I WANT 100% MICHAEL VOCALS OR NOTHING AT ALL - THEREFORE THE SONG AND ALBUM ARE SH**". LET'S BURN COPIES OF THE ALBUM OUTSIDE SONY BUILDINGS ALL ACROSS THE WORLD!"

Never happy unless they are hating something or someone it seems!

The people who usually said those things were a small but vocal part of the fan community. This is not. This is the overwhelming majority, including mods and owners of different forums.
 
I am really sorry for you my friend, really really sorry. I am not insulting you, I am just helping you and the fact is that you are stupid.
Sony is not the devil, Tommy Mottola was but nevermind because he is gone.
HMH, Xscape and AD are MJ songs and Breaking News is not (his song but MJ not singing)
Other things you've mentioned are irrelevant.

Michael made friends with Tommy Mottola years ago, he obviously accepted the man wasn't bad at all. I think you are the one that is stupid if you believe Sony made the biggest record deal in history with the jackson estate to try and ruin Michaels legacy. Do you really really believe Sony was racist back in 2001. Or could it be that Michael was getting bad advise off somebody.
 
The comments I posted are not irrelevant, they go to show just how much some MJ fans love a drama, love to pick faults (even with MJ), think Sony are to blame for everything, and are never happy.

This latest instance is just that. Instead of most reasonable people going "I'm a little disappointed that there are not more MJ vocals, but I like the song and it's message", they are going "I WANT 100% MICHAEL VOCALS OR NOTHING AT ALL - THEREFORE THE SONG AND ALBUM ARE SH**". LET'S BURN COPIES OF THE ALBUM OUTSIDE SONY BUILDINGS ALL ACROSS THE WORLD!"

Never happy unless they are hating something or someone it seems!

You still not getting it. It is not problem if MJ is singing just 20% of the song like in Hold My Hand (I allways loved that song). The problem is that they (Teddy "The Finisher" Riley, some people in The Estete (not mr. McClain) and Sony) think that we are retarded and that they can put some Jason Malachi wannabe MJ on the official MJ release. They are really stupid if they think that we fans can not hear that that is not Michael Joseph Jackson singing the lead in this track. That is the problem!! And it is a big one. They could say liesten Michael did not finished this track, here is the demo version for free and not this crapy version on the album.

I am praying to God that you got it this time..
 
and about "whom can i trust" issues: we are dealing with showbiz here, probably one of the most crazy places on earth. crazy business = crazy people. there is not trust to find, only entertainment.

simple as that.
 
Article by Roger Friedman says voice is certainly Michael.

The “Michael” album is not quite finalized, I’m told, but will have to be by Friday. Right now there are three “Cascio” tracks including “Breaking News.” Fans are complaining about “Breaking News” on the Jackson website because it doesn’t sound right to them. Folks, it really is Michael singing on that song. The finished version on the album may sound more like him. Part of the problem may have been in the uploading to the website.

“Breaking News” only streams through Sunday. On Monday, the first actual single is released–with Akon–called “Hold My Hand.”

I’ve heard a lot of the tracks, and I can tell you–they are by Michael. Michael’s nephew, Taryll Jackson, knows that, too. Despite his campaign to discredit the album, Taryll was around when the tracks were being put together. More will come out about this soon.

Conspiracy theories are fun, but buying into them is just going to cheat true Michael Jackson fans out of a great experience. “Michael” is shaping up to be a very solid project.
 
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